What was the relationship between the Nazis and religion?

[basics]

I don't recall such memories, the iraqi people never asked Bush to invade their country.

However, i don't know what any of this has to do with religion. Unless we begin arguing that Nazis were deifying the state, or the Jews were organized in anti-german interest groups or the more abstract topic: Are political ideologies (Liberalism, Socialism, Nationalism) modern religions?

Mayer,

Perhaps you are too young to remember the news at that time but they were filled with pleas from Iraqis for someone to rid them of Saddam Hussein. Reports of mass killings were a regular feature and our leaders were at great odds over what could be done. In the end we took him out and the pictures of Iraqis tearing down his monuments as well as greeting the Allies as they entered the towns were on every newsreel here in the UK. The problem we didn't see was that factions sprang up trying to take control thus causing more bloodshed and as you infer destabilising of the region which has spread into Syria.

[95thrifleman]

Mayer,

Perhaps you are too young to remember the news at that time but they were filled with pleas from Iraqis for someone to rid them of Saddam Hussein. Reports of mass killings were a regular feature and our leaders were at great odds over what could be done. In the end we took him out and the pictures of Iraqis tearing down his monuments as well as greeting the Allies as they entered the towns were on every newsreel here in the UK. The problem we didn't see was that factions sprang up trying to take control thus causing more bloodshed and as you infer destabilising of the region which has spread into Syria.

The problem was the people filmed begging for freedom where either Kurds or a minority from the south. Those same Iraqis in Basra where some of the first to take up arms against us in Iraq.

[Mayer]

Shhh, don't get in the way of american propaganda for justification of war. Ironically, the evil Nazis had similar propaganda in 1941 showing celebrating ukrainians and balts greeting the Wehrmacht as liberators.

[Stario]

Ah, The Barnes Review. Have you read any of their other publications, such as Lucifer's Army: An Exposé of Talmudic Tyranny, Jewish Ritual Murder: A Historical Investigation, or Debating the Holocaust: A New Look at Both Sides? They also appear to have some nice scientific publications - The Children Of Ra: Artistic, Historical, And Genetic Evidence For Ancient White Egypt and The Aryan Race: Its Origins and Its Achievements just to name a couple of examples.

No I haven't read them any good?


My problem with the counter argument is that there is no solid proof to shows that the Nazi government began a campaign of violence against German Jews prior to "Judea declaring war on Germany" -that this simply wasn't the continuation of violence against the German Jews already happening during the Weimar Republic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ews_in_Germany


I certainly have my doubts (but I guess we will never know), Hitler got appointed Chancellor in late January, this would not give the party sufficient time to draft any effective 'violence against the German Jew/exterminate the Jew' etc etc. policies. This seem like propaganda based on what was already happening even prior to Hitler being appointed Chancellor, either way it doesn't matter, when such declaration was made- 'call for the destruction of Germany" & this was then followed up with actual boycotts of German trade, the fate of the German Jew was sealed.

[Aexodus]

When Judea declaring war on Germany justifies Kristalnacht...

[Stario]

When Judea declaring war on Germany justifies Kristalnacht...

Only as much as the American Japanese citizens relocation and incarceration in concentration camps shortly after Pearl Habour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...nese_Americans

[sumskilz]

No I haven't read them any good?

Well, most of their publications are kind of silly.

Take this summery for their Lucifer's Army: An Exposé of Talmudic Tyranny publication:

In the eyes of author Peter Christian, for many centuries certain elitist wealthy Jews have been plotting secretly to take control of the entire world, and to rule it from Jerusalem. This is not widely known because the Zionist leaders try to conceal their identity by working through others. They control the major media—television, newspapers, magazines, books, movies and plays.

What nonsense. I mean, how can they even say "not widely known" when everybody knows this.

When Judea declaring war on Germany justifies Kristalnacht...

Well... also, this would be the non-conspiracy theory version of events:

Following Adolf Hitler's appointment as German Chancellor in January 1933, an organized campaign of violence and boycotting was undertaken by Hitler's Nazi Party against the Jews of Germany, to which critics responded with worldwide calls for protest and boycotting.[1]

However, the Central Jewish Association of Germany was of the opinion that the Nazi government was not deliberately provoking anti-Jewish pogroms. It issued a statement of support for the regime and held that "the responsible government authorities [i.e. the Hitler regime] are unaware of the threatening situation," saying, "we do not believe our German fellow citizens will let themselves be carried away into committing excesses against the Jews."[2] Nevertheless, even though vandalism of Jewish businesses and property across Germany was already occurring, prominent Jewish business leaders wrote letters in support of the Nazi regime calling on officials in the Jewish community in Palestine, as well as Jewish organizations abroad, to drop their efforts in organizing an economic boycott.[3] In point of fact, the Nazi anti-Jewish boycott was supported by the regime, with Hermann Göring stating that "I shall employ the police, and without mercy, wherever German people are hurt, but I refuse to turn the police into a guard for Jewish stores".[4]

In March 1933, the international critics, transformed their verbal protests into a worldwide, organized economic boycott against German goods.[5]

On March 24, 1933, The London tabloid newspaper The Daily Express printed an issue with the headline "Judea Declares War on Germany" detailing the Jewish boycott of German goods. Because of the wording of the headline, Holocaust deniers have exploited the article in order to claim the Jews declared a literal war on Germany, when in fact what was described was an economic boycott.[6]

[Stario]

Well... also, this would be the non-conspiracy theory version of events:

In early 1933, Hitler was not the undisputed leader of Germany, nor did he have full command of the armed forces. Hitler was a major figure in a coalition government (with Hindenburg still President), but he was far from being the government himself. That was the result of a process of consolidation which evolved later - this is the major gripe I have with the "non-conspiracy theory version of events", you present.

Thus i think people incorrectly believe that when Adolf Hitler was appointed German chancellor in January of 1933, the German government began policies of violence against the Jews of Germany; including rounding up of Jews and putting them in concentration camps and launching campaigns of terror and violence against the German Jewish population.

Despite this, still "Judea declared war on Germany". This probably only served to help Hitler consolidate power, because this would serve to only further increase antisemitism in Germany.

[basics]

The problem was the people filmed begging for freedom where either Kurds or a minority from the south. Those same Iraqis in Basra where some of the first to take up arms against us in Iraq.

95thrifleman,

Of course those that had been loyal to Saddam would cause as much trouble as possible as they did, all grabbing for as much power as possible and there's the source of much more bloodletting. What I find difficult to understand is that if one adds up the Kurdish population in the three or four countries they dwell in we get around twenty odd million of them so for good reason don't they deserve their own country? They may be a minority but not a small one.

[95thrifleman]

95thrifleman,

Of course those that had been loyal to Saddam would cause as much trouble as possible as they did, all grabbing for as much power as possible and there's the source of much more bloodletting. What I find difficult to understand is that if one adds up the Kurdish population in the three or four countries they dwell in we get around twenty odd million of them so for good reason don't they deserve their own country? They may be a minority but not a small one.

Your ignorance does you no credit.

Basra was the stronghold of the ANTI-Saddam sentiment in Iraq, they tried to rebel twice after the first Gulf war.

[Prodromos]

Shhh, don't get in the way of american propaganda for justification of war. Ironically, the evil Nazis had similar propaganda in 1941 showing celebrating ukrainians and balts greeting the Wehrmacht as liberators.

Do you think the surveys conducted before and after the war were just American propaganda too?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ey-136324.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...am-756815.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031900421.html

[95thrifleman]

Do you think the surveys conducted before and after the war were just American propaganda too?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ey-136324.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...am-756815.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031900421.html

You know it's bad when a right winger is digging up Indy articles to support his arguments.

[Prodromos]

I dunno what that means. The surveys were conducted by the "International Crisis Group" and "Oxford Research International."

[95thrifleman]

I dunno what that means. The surveys were conducted by the "International Crisis Group" and "Oxford Research International."

The Indy was the champaighn socialist mouthpiece supporting the Blair government at the time. Papers are very good at publishing selected excerpts from studies they like and ignoring what they do not.

If the Iraqis loved us, why the massive insurgency, from multiple sections of the populace across both sunni and shia lines? The Kurds where the only ones NOT shooting us and they came bloody close a few times.

[Prodromos]

The relevant survey findings are all there in the articles. What parts were ignored?

[basics]

Your ignorance does you no credit.

Basra was the stronghold of the ANTI-Saddam sentiment in Iraq, they tried to rebel twice after the first Gulf war.

95thrifleman,

But they didn't succeed as it took us to do that job.

[Stario]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsog...GL6H36&index=2

Adolf Hitler- The Greatest Story Never Told.


Interesting film with alternative views to what we're usually told (see it before youtube brings it down part 2-27; part one already pulled down at time of this post)

[basics]

Stario,

History has a long line of men who thought they could rule the world yet it never came to pass. However have a look at Israel and see a nation small in stature yet huge in power and think why?