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    Default Re: ahowl11's VE Mod (Main Discussion) v13 Costs and XGM Part 1

    Hey ahowl, long time ago since my last activity here. I hope you are well. I read with enthusiasm from your new mod ideas.
    I like the old vanilla-style, especially the later roman units. So I'll give it more than one try...
    Greets Mag

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    Default Re: ahowl11's VE Mod (Main Discussion) v13 Costs and XGM Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnentius View Post
    Hey ahowl, long time ago since my last activity here. I hope you are well. I read with enthusiasm from your new mod ideas.
    I like the old vanilla-style, especially the later roman units. So I'll give it more than one try...
    Greets Mag
    Good to see you Mag!

    The next version will see an update in the Romans. Same vanilla look, but more accurate in design. I’ll message you to join my discord, we are no longer on slack.

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    Default Re: ahowl11's VE Mod (Main Discussion) v10 Colonies, Temples & Recruitment

    Make battles little bit slower, units dying too fast, causing uselessnes of spearmen and light cavalry without pausing micro.

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    Default Re: ahowl11's VE Mod (Main Discussion) v10 Colonies, Temples & Recruitment

    Quote Originally Posted by Kartaen View Post
    Make battles little bit slower, units dying too fast, causing uselessnes of spearmen and light cavalry without pausing micro.
    What units were you using in particular?

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    Default Re: ahowl11's VE Mod (Main Discussion) v14 XGM Final

    ahowl11's VE Mod v14 - XGM Final
    It took almost two months this time, but v14 is here! I worked really hard to incorporate everything I possibly could from Extended Greek Mod (XGM). Also, I worked a lot on the starting positions of every faction. Many were almost impossible to play as, but this has been fixed. Does this mean it's going to be super easy? No. However you're not going to be -30K in debt (unless you are very foolish in your spending!) I am not opposed to changing things based off of accurate feedback, so don't hesitate to let me know about issues, difficulty or inaccuracy and we can discuss a solution.

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    The Seleucids now have the lands in the East to represent their expansive empire


    Now to the fun parts. XGM is a very light mod, but is also very complex. It's main priority was to give Greek factions the same unique immersion as Roman factions. However over time it expanded upon that and touched on other factions as well, creating a balanced game. The mod ended up having a lot of new units, new buildings and a much more immersive trait and ancillary system. It also had many new factions and extended east to India. I have included most everything that doesn't deal with the following: Garrison Scripts, Area of Recruitment (AoR), Sabaea, Bactria, India, Ethiopia, Caesars Campaign, Specific Greek campaigns. What I did include were: most new units, new trait and ancillary system by Suppanut, new buildings, a few minor helpful scripts as well as my own balance work.

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    Athens was a very important city to the Greeks, and the Acropolis will help any Greek Ruler!


    First the Buildings. There are very specific monuments, schools, and temples or sites scattered throughout the map. When you conquer a region, look at your buildings to see if you have any of them! These buildings not only provide small bonuses, but they also are triggers for new traits and ancillaries for your Generals and Governors. Here is what the XGM readme had to say:
    There are now significant virtues associated with all temples, and the vices associated with some temples have been toned down. So, if you have a governor in a settlement it is safe to build any temple type, and it is a good idea to build at least a second level temple to take advantage of the positive effects that this will have on your governor.
    All temple types can now be upgraded by all factions, and all of the Olympian gods are now represented. In vanilla RTW it was usually a good idea to demolish existing temples in captured settlements, and to start building your own. In XGM you should always consider whether upgrading might be a better option.
    Schools also have a strong positive effect on governors, so it is a good idea to build them anywhere that you expect to have a governor for long periods of time.
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    Send your Governors to Academies and Libraries to become well Educated


    Next is the expansive trait and ancillary system that Suppanut of Extended Cultures (XC) incorporated into XGM. The most important feature is the Ethnic traits. Your characters ethnicity will determine cultural conversion and if he is of a tribe, he will have a specific bonus based on the tribe in which he comes from. Here is the main feature list from Suppanut himself:
    - 27 Ethnicities featured to enhance game play
    - Many subgroups of clans, tribes, and city-states to give a more in-depth experience
    - New imperial titles for faction leaders who are accomplished in power and glory
    - Every temples' priest available to all factions
    - New traits and ancillaries which give more depth to Barbarian and Eastern Factions
    - Health system, now family members can fall ill.
    - Supply system, now fighting in enemy territory will be harder than before
    - Mentor system, now ancillaries will influence what traits your character gains in the same way as academies do
    - Ancillaries weight system, Now characters will have a limited amount of space for ancillaries and could prevent characters from gaining new ancillaries once retinues are full
    - New governing system which make the same action give different outcomes based factions and cultures
    - Vice from becoming an empire, outcomes differ via cultures
    - Leadership bonus from faction leader to effect overall faction's generals
    -->Management will have an affect on family members tendency on corruption
    -->Influence will have an affect on family members tendency to be bribed
    - Harder to gain Main 3 attributes, Command, Management, Influence. Now characters will become specialized in their roles.
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    An Example of how Ethnic Traits Work


    And of course, units have been added. This version will probably add the most units. Many came from XGM itself, but I went ahead and made most of these. The main feature here is the new look for Roman units. They are from Ferres' Modding Legions Pack 1.3b, and I simply recolored them to fit the vanilla look. Also, except for the Marian Legionary units, I removed all post-marian units because they are representing the Imperial Roman era, which I am not representing in this mod. Enjoy!
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    New Look for the Romans, from Ferres' Modding Legions Pack 1.3b


    Next are the Barbarians. Thrace and Iberia got the most love here as they had some weak and small unit rosters when it came to unique units. Thrace in the game is Greek, but they are close to barbarian as well.
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    Scythian Cataphracts, Ambakaro, Heavy Spearmen, Heavy Scutarii, Iberian Lancers, Spear Warband, Thracian Thorakitai, Heavy Swordsmen, Skirmisher Warband (Gallic/Germanic), Thracian Noble Falxmen, Falxmen (Thrace)


    Carthage also received a slight overhaul, but not completely. They should look less Iberian now!
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    African Infantry, Numidian Archers, Liby-Phoenician Infantry, Libyan Skirmishers, Libyan Infantry, Sacred Band, Punic Thureophoroi


    Next the Eastern factions. Over the last few versions I have been trying to separate Parthia from Pontus and Armenia. Parthia still retains the Persian looking units, while Pontus and Armenia have a new set depicting a more hellenized culture from Anatolia and the Caucasus. With this version, that transformation is complete.
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    Kardakes Swordsmen, Archers, Cataphract Archers, Kinsmen, Heavy Spearmen, Horse Archers, Hillmen, Kardakes Spearmen


    The Greeks have had a lot of unique units added to bring immersion (what you'd expect from a mod focusing on the Greeks) Phalangites are now a unit for the Greek Cities, but they are a reform unit, so you can experience the shift from Hoplite to Phalangite.

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    Machimoi Cavalry, Xystophoroi, Basilikon Guard, Machimoi Pikemen, Epilektoi Phalangites, Argyraspid Legionaries, Phalangites, Kestros Slingers, Agema of The Peltasts, The Peltasts, Syracusan Hoplites, Perioikoi Hoplites, Athenian Epilektoi


    Many new mercenaries have also been added!
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    Gallic Swordsmen, Caucasian Cavalry, Caucasian Infantry, Illyrian Infantry, Italic Infantry, Italic Skirmishers, Nubian Cavalry, Peloponnesian Hoplites, Nuragic Warriors, Italic Spearmen, Asturian Axemen, Nuragic Skirmishers, Tarentine Cavalry, Hillmen, Caledonian Highlanders, Caledonian Skirmishers, Numidian Archers


    Last but not least, some rebel units to give you some issues in your campaign!
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    Horse Archers, Heavy Spearmen, Phalangites, Numidian Archers, Libyan Skirmishers, Hillmen, Libyan Infantry, Heavy Scutarii, Archers


    Finally, I have been working on a small homeland feature. It is not finished, but it works. Basically, you and the ai factions will all get a small monument at the start of the game. This will provide significant bonuses to keep your faction alive and prosperous (especially early on!) if you lose your capital, you will be in severe trouble. However, taking AI capitals will also deal a crippling blow. Also, recruitment is much more expansive in your homelands. You will be able to field a professional army early on if you can manage your resources properly!

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    You can train every part of your army from your homelands


    Force Diplomacy Script
    This allows you to force any faction to accept any diplomatic offer you make to them. You can access this by clicking on the help button on the diplomacy scroll (the question mark in the top right corner) and then clicking on the "show me how" button when the advisor comes up.
    This option is included so that you can correct for certain weaknesses in the AI. Here are some suggestions for how this option can be used to make the game more realistic and more interesting:
    (1) The AI doesn't know when it's beaten. You can use this option to force a faction to accept a ceasefire or protectorate status when they have been beaten down to the point where you could crush them easily. My own house rule is that I can use this option when a faction has been reduced to three regions, I have their capital under siege, and I have enough forces available to crush them easily within a few turns.
    (2) The AI often doesn't know a good deal when it sees one. You can use this option to force the AI to accept an offer that is clearly to their advantage.
    (3) The AI won't keep an alliance, even with a reliable ally, and even when breaking the alliance would be foolish. If you want to role play a lasting alliance, you can use this option to keep the AI from staring wars that don't make any sense.
    If you do use this option it is a good idea to come up with sensible house rules, at the start of your campaign, that govern how and when you can use it. Your game will be a lot less fun if you use this option as a cheat to make the game easier.
    Peace with the Dead Script
    A faction will not form an alliance with you if you are at war with one of its allies. Unfortunately, due to a bug in RTW, this is true even if the ally has been destroyed. This script allows you to make peace with the dead, so that you can form alliances with the living.
    To activate this script (1) open the overview scroll, (2) go to the diplomacy tab, (3) click on the help button, and then when the advisor pops up (4) click on the show me how button.
    Other Features and Fixes
    Robbe fixed the radar map to look cleaner as well as some bugs in his vegetation.
    New Greek Standard Bearers
    Barbarians & Nomads now have recruitment up to level 4
    Forest Elephants only recruitable in African regions
    Night Raiders throw an Axe before charging
    New Cognomen traits for Roman Generals
    Naked Fanatics renamed to Gaesatae
    Iberian Infantry renamed to Caetrati
    Armored Hoplites renamed to Epilektoi
    Hillmen throw Javelins before charge
    Martial Law Building - helps improve public order, but at an economic cost
    Grain Imports and Exports - Boosts income, Exports can't be built and are in only settlements with the Grain resource
    All slingers are Ap
    Hepteres given to Carthage
    Gauls have a unique officer
    General Units have 0 upkeep
    Scythian Horse Archers fight with an axe instead of a knife now
    New General model for Scythia
    Updated Pontic General Skin
    Imitation Legionaries removed from Pontus and Armenia

    New Iberian barbarian standard
    Eastern Officers redone to look better
    Parthian Cataphracts have a better animation
    Legionary First Cohort now is better than Legionary Cohort
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    One of the new buildings, Grain Exports are rare and can't be built, but they do wonders for your economy!


    A lot has been put into this version so I would really appreciate it if I could get some detailed feedback on how the game plays. I will be testing and playing a lot over this next month, so the next release will contain many balances and adjustments.. as well as, New units!
    Thank you all who have been following this mod up until this point. It's been a lot of fun creating this!
    DOWNLOAD & INSTALLATION



    - If you have an old HRTW version, you can try overwriting, but to be safe, delete it as this will not work with it. This version isn't save compatible.
    - One thing that I need to be clear on, is this mod runs on the Alexander.exe not the regular Rome Total War exe. Please make sure you use an Alexander Install.

    1. Download the mod
    2a. (Steam) Extract the files to your Rome Total War Alexander directory
    2b. (Disc) Extract the files to your Rome Total War Directory
    3a. (Steam) go to your library.. right click RTW Alexander.. select properties.. select launch options.. put in this: -show_err -mod:HRTW -noalexander
    3b. (Disc)Create a shortcut of your RTW Alexander exe file.. right click the shortcut.. select properties.. in the target line after everything insert this: -show_err -mod:HRTW -noalexander
    CREDITS
    Dimebagho - for the XGM mod, you not only enhanced the RTW game, you created a new one, developed a fun community and had fun doing so.. thank you!
    Suppanut - for your Ethnic Traits mod, it is so immersive and there are so many little details that enrich the game
    Robbe - for your constant support on your veggie mod
    BHL_20 - for your help with adjusting the traits to fit factions that weren't in XGM
    Korsakoff - for recoloring some really tough shields!
    RTRPE - for some amazing unit models

    Barbarians Revenge - for unit models
    Extended Cultures - unit model for Asturian Axemen
    AqD - for Hillmen model
    Europa Barbarorum - for inspiration on the Caledonian units
    Ferres - for the Modding Legions 1.3b pack (originally included in XGM)
    Paeninsula Italica - for the Punic Thureophoroi model
    unDa - Thracian Falxmen UI
    Lanjane - for some models, skins and UI (Iberian Spear Warband, Noble Falxmen, Thracian Thorakitai)
    Crazyroman - for feedback and testing

    Saul_Tyre - for feedback and testing
    Mausolos - for advice, historical research
    The Discord Community - for constant support

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    CTD - "failed to read censored word dictionary file: data/filter_san...."

    Happens upon Alexander start up...

    Disc version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite of Ilis View Post
    CTD - "failed to read censored word dictionary file: data/filter_san...."

    Happens upon Alexander start up...

    Disc version.
    Glad we were able to fix this!

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    Default Re: ahowl11's VE Mod (Main Discussion) v10 Colonies, Temples & Recruitment

    I am sorry for answering too late, I was busy. The main problem of fast combat in Total War is that units being unable to hold positions for long. I was testing some custom battles using hellenistic units (espectially hoplites and other non-phalanx spearmen), hastati beats hypaspistai.... 3 words and pain. I think, you've made spearmen units too weak against basic infantry.
    Anyway in v14 seems cavalry got more lifetime and this is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kartaen View Post
    I am sorry for answering too late, I was busy. The main problem of fast combat in Total War is that units being unable to hold positions for long. I was testing some custom battles using hellenistic units (espectially hoplites and other non-phalanx spearmen), hastati beats hypaspistai.... 3 words and pain. I think, you've made spearmen units too weak against basic infantry.
    Anyway in v14 seems cavalry got more lifetime and this is good.
    I see, I’ll have a look into the stats and make the elite spear units more lethal. Thanks for the feedback!

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    Default Re: ahowl11's VE Mod (Main Discussion) v14 XGM Final

    It's great to see so much work still going into this, ahowl. I haven't been on Discord lately, but I'm planning to download and share some thoughts. Everything looks so clean and polished. Vanilla optimized, historical -- the way it should have been!

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    Default Re: ahowl11's VE Mod (Main Discussion) v14 XGM Final

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyprian2 View Post
    It's great to see so much work still going into this, ahowl. I haven't been on Discord lately, but I'm planning to download and share some thoughts. Everything looks so clean and polished. Vanilla optimized, historical -- the way it should have been!
    Great to hear from you Cyprian! Hope you enjoy it and please do give me feedback to improve things!

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