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    During the last weeks, France has experienced rather violent protests and riots, whose name derives from the high-visibility jackets wore by the participants. As the road-themed uniforms and the highway demonstrations make one suspect, the initial cause of the affair was the decision of the Macron government to increase the fuel-tax. The motives were presented as mostly ecological, but I am sure that the sudden influx of revenue to the state treasury would not have been unwelcome. After all, there are less controversial options to encourage the adoption of electric cars. The protestors quickly grew in size and tensions escalated, resulting into the destruction of public and private property, the death of 4 individuals and the injure of hundreds more (including both civilians and policemen). Even the Arc de Triomphe, the famous monument and the center of the 14th July military parade in Paris, did not escape from vandalism, while there were even talks of declaring a state of emergency, as negotiations failed dramatically.



    Obviously, the issue is no more limited to only the widely despised fuel-tax, considering that, despite the Prime-Minister promising to postpone the tax-rise legislation, the "gilets jaunes" remain adamant on continuing to protest, while some even call for the resignation of the President of the Republic. In reality, as the income inequality increases, the purchase power of the lower and middle classes decreases, leading to popular discontent. Although the dreaded International Monetary Fund has not yet imposed its demands on the French state, austerity measures, ranging from an attack to worker rights to a castration of social welfare, have already been initiated, while Macron has reduced the taxation for the wealthiest segments of the society, in an attempt to attract investments. Therefore, it's not surprising to notice that the protesters are composed of those who view their status being compromised, while even the traditionally serene countryside has joined the movement. To be just, Macron's policies were neither unanticipated nor secret before the elections, which makes the discrepancy between his overwhelming victory in the 2017 look a bit paradoxical with the present almost freezing-levels of his popularity.

    Meanwhile, the "gilets jaunes" remain without any influence from the trade unions and apolitical, despite the fact that the right-wing Republicans, the far-right group of Le Pen and the leftists of Mélenchon attempting to usurp it. A team of official spokespersons did emerged, but the movement remains headless and is based, similarly to the situation of the Arab Spring, on the popularity of social media. In my opinion, their grievances are definitely legitimate, but I personally doubt that they will achieve their goals, in the long term, although being apolitical is considered very trendy nowadays. Temporary victories are possible, but the protesters evidently lack the organisation, ideological programme and hierarchical structure necessary to prosper and to maintain a prominent position. I expect it to gradually devolved into a spasmodic manifestations of anger, as the majority lose their interest and passion, the originally very positive public opinion gets irritated by the stalemate and potential participants get frustrated by the violence of certain extremists and the brutality of the authorities.

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    Macrons popularity is 23%. He is a nobody, good riddance.

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    isnt there a french strike or riot, like, every day since 1789? they just love their barricades

    so yeah, i also think this wont last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannibalExMachina View Post
    isnt there a french strike or riot, like, every day since 1789? they just love their barricades

    so yeah, i also think this wont last.
    Lol, if this were happening in America, you'd be the first to post it. Instead it's happening in the European Socialist Utopia of France over crap science. The only thing this has in common with 1700's France, is that typical autocrats are stealing money from the peasants.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Better get the guillotines ready then. Heads will roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven View Post
    Better get the guillotines ready then. Heads will roll.
    Agreed, hysterical leftists don’t know any other way to argue. Sad!
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    Agreed, hysterical leftists don’t know any other way to argue. Sad!
    Trump is pro low tax and against green measures addressing climate change, the very subject of the protests. What a leftist that chap must be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithradates View Post
    Macrons popularity is 23%. He is a nobody, good riddance.
    His government is definitely very unpopular. Apparently Macron's forces already opened fire upon protesters, and things could get very ugly , especially given how Macron is basically an egoistic simpleton who thinks of himself as a "Roman god" and has typical neoliberal "let them eat cake" mentality. Hopefully Macron will be removed from power as soon as possible.

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    Some good vid

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euYtLs2LthQ&t=1350

    favorite part is 25:00
    Last edited by Bayard; December 06, 2018 at 11:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayard View Post
    Some good vid
    favorite part is 25:00
    Is this still going on? I heard that the French government has imposed a moratorium on the rise in gasoline prices. If they still rebel, what else do they want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander78 View Post
    Is this still going on? I heard that the French government has imposed a moratorium on the rise in gasoline prices. If they still rebel, what else do they want?
    Macron finally cancelled the gasoline tax this night, it was going to far, lot of french approve the movement (70%+) even some cops threatened to stop working
    Not sure it will be enough to calm the yellow vests, gasoline tax was the last drop, but people are angry, they want more money, less tax, less immigration (not all but a big part of them)
    We will see if Saturday it start again
    Last edited by Bayard; December 06, 2018 at 12:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayard View Post
    Macron finally cancelled the gasoline tax this night, it was going to far, lot of french approve the movement (70%+) even some cops threatened to stop working
    Not sure it will be enough to calm the yellow vests, gasoline tax was the last drop, but people are angry, they want more money, less tax, less immigration (not all but a big part of them)
    We will see if Saturday it start again
    It turns out that fuel prices are not the main reason for the protests. People are not satisfied with the situation as a whole. And how do you assess the chances of Macron to retire early?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayard View Post
    Macron finally cancelled the gasoline tax this night, it was going to far, lot of french approve the movement (70%+) even some cops threatened to stop working
    Not sure it will be enough to calm the yellow vests, gasoline tax was the last drop, but people are angry, they want more money, less tax, less immigration (not all but a big part of them)
    We will see if Saturday it start again
    This isn't true. According to Mongrel he said you people want more taxes to fight climate change. Lol.

    EU isn't going to survive when France, Italy and Spain leave.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    This isn't true. According to Mongrel he said you people want more taxes to fight climate change. Lol.

    EU isn't going to survive when France, Italy and Spain leave.

    Doesnt need to leave, it can explose from inside

    In 2014 Front National (now called Rassemblement National) was the first party in France, for the European Elections ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe..._2014_(France) ) FN is anti EU

    If in june 2019 (the new EU elections) it's the same in France and some others countries, anti-EU parties could get a majority in the parliament, if they do an alliance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayard View Post
    Doesnt need to leave, it can explose from inside

    In 2014 Front National (now called Rassemblement National) was the first party in France, for the European Elections ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe..._2014_(France) ) FN is anti EU

    If in june 2019 (the new EU elections) it's the same in France and some others countries, anti-EU parties could get a majority in the parliament, if they do an alliance
    I really don't know why Europe created this stupid bumbling system. They didn't like it the first time the Germans tried it, nor the second time. And some reason because there aren't firearms involved and the Germans are asking nicely, Europe is ready to line up and come under them? It's just crazy, European leaders that are pro EU are in a round about way saying... if Hitler only asked nicely we could of had this system 80 year ago.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    This isn't true. According to Mongrel he said you people want more taxes to fight climate change. Lol.

    EU isn't going to survive when France, Italy and Spain leave.
    Actually Macron said that, I don't govern France as any child would point out. It's your daft idea that only lefties would object to a fuel tax that prompted my comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Actually Macron said that, I don't govern France as any child would point out. It's your daft idea that only lefties would object to a fuel tax that prompted my comment.
    You don't govern France? What? You said... "Trump is pro low tax and against green measures addressing climate change, the very subject of the protests." In English, that means the protests in France are because taxes are too low, ie they want higher taxes, to combat climate change. It's absurd what you said, something you know nothing about clearly, and something you clearly have an opinion on. Do us all a favor, and don't respond if you are unaware of the situation and it's details. Thanks.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    @Bayard
    Questions for a Frenchman.
    I heard that France was one of the highest taxed European countries. Is this true? If so, where is all that money going?



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    Why I am not surprised, at all, that the political decisions of a man that decided to marry a pedophile ended up being bad? What the heck the people that voted for him expected? The man chose to break up a wedding to marry his highschool teacher, a woman that was attracted to him since he was 16 even if they didn't consummate their relationship (according to their lies word at least). What more does one need to know he should never get close to public office?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    You don't govern France? What? You said... "Trump is pro low tax and against green measures addressing climate change, the very subject of the protests." In English, that means the protests in France are because taxes are too low, ie they want higher taxes, to combat climate change. It's absurd what you said, something you know nothing about clearly, and something you clearly have an opinion on. Do us all a favor, and don't respond if you are unaware of the situation and it's details. Thanks.
    I have never seen the term 'In English' to mean total bollocks.

    I don't set the levels of fuel tax in France, Macron does. The yellow vests don't want higher taxes, that was the entire point in the early days of the movement. Macron backed down and will not raise them . It is that simple.

    Lets face it, your efforts to cover your original nonsense comment about it all being about lefties, has failed.

    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Why I am not surprised, at all, that the political decisions of a man that decided to marry a pedophile ended up being bad? What the heck the people that voted for him expected? The man chose to break up a wedding to marry his highschool teacher, a woman that was attracted to him since he was 16 even if they didn't consummate their relationship (according to their lies word at least). What more does one need to know he should never get close to public office?
    Harsh.
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