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    http://www.friatider.se/ny-unders-kn...-av-invandrare
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    80 page study this bases on apparently, as link in friatider is broken: https://pjjonasson.files.wordpress.c...i_utlandet.pdf unfortunately google translate tells its too big to be translated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    All rapes 2012-2017
    Sweden 34.3 %
    Iraq 7.1 %
    Afghanistan 3.7 %
    Eritrea 3.6 %
    Somalia 3.6 %

    Severe rape
    Afghanistan 22.9 %
    Iraq 11.4 %
    Somalia 11.4 %
    Sweden 9.5 %
    Eritrea 5.7 %

    Rape against children (includes consentual sex with person below 15 years old)
    Sweden 61.7 %
    Afghanistan 4.5 %
    Iraq 3.6 %
    Finland 2.7 %
    Thailand 2 %

    It should also be mentioned that the proportion of Swedes in group rapes is 6.7 % and for assault rapes 4.4 %. So there is a pretty clear pattern with Swedes committing very few rapes against people they do not know while different immigrant groups got other patterns.

    Adar's corrections in spoiler above, thanks.

    95.6% of sexual assaults done by non-native-swedes. 84% representation also when it comes to rape.

    The study shows, among other things, that persons with overseas descent commit 84 percent of gross rape. Swedes come first in fourth place, after Afghans, Iraqis and Somalis.
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    New survey on foreigners and sexual offenses
    Press Release • Oct 23, 2017 00:57 CEST

    A survey of almost all convictions for sexual offenses 2012-2017 shows that:
    • The proportion of convicted Swedes, in proportion to other groups, has decreased since 2013 and dropped sharply over the past two years.
    • Men with overseas descent commit 84% of gross rape. Swedes come first in fourth place, after Afghans, Iraqis and Somalis.
    • Two out of three serious rapes are committed by asylum seekers or men who have been granted residence permits.
    • National groups with the highest factor (probability) commit gross rape are Algerian, Afghan, Tunisian, Moroccans and Palestinian Territories.
    • 95.6% of assault violence is committed by men of foreign descent.
    • Most assault violence in individuals is committed by Somali, Eritrean, Algerian, Iraqi and Gambian.
    • Most assault violence is committed in Stockholm, Hudiksvall and Eskilstuna.
    • 90% of group violence is committed by men of overseas descent. Every fourth rapist who acted as a group is Afghan.
    • Most rapists who acted in groups have been convicted in Ystad, Eksjö and Uppsala. Göteborg is in 11th place, Stockholm 16th and Malmö 21st.
    • Foreigners victims of Swedish sexually to a much greater extent than other foreigners.
    • Men with European descent usually commit other forms of sexual abuse than punching. Three-fourths of sentenced Africans have popped their victims.
    • A majority of those convicted of couples are Romans.
    • Homovolts' share of total rape has risen sharply in recent years, while group rape against men is now the most common category.
    • 85% of those convicted of group violence against men are Afghans.
    • Adopted men, regardless of country, commit sexual offenses to a greater extent than not only Swedes, but also non-adopted from the same country group.
    • Swedish men are overrepresented in only three rubrics: the purchase of sexual acts of children, child pornography and the use of children for sexual orientation.

    The entire study is published here:
    https://pjjonasson.wordpress.com/


    Meanwhile, #metoo campaign has been going for white cis males, like leftist prorefugee Aftonbladet writer Fredrik Virtanen who got accused of sexual harassment. Big #metoo demonstration also downtown Stockholm. Of course #metoo is valuable movement in society unmasking men in high positions abusing their power. But it's also very hypocritical how they don't dare at all address the elephant in the corner, immigrant and non-swedish treatment of women.

    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/st...pa-sergelstorg

    And not a single word about the biggest threat to swedish women, non-swedish males who are hugely overrepresented in sexual violence and rape towards women. How come im not suprised?

    And you can probably read about this only in Sverige Demokraterna (kinda like swedish AfD, populistic rightwing anti-immigration party) based media like Fria Tider, too much of a taboo subject for swedish mainstream media to tackle on, or atleast i failed to find with google any fast hits.

    It is time leftists face the facts and statistics and stop pretending there is no problem regarding these matters. Finnish statistics that ive linked several times in other topic aren't much better, though its not quite as bad here as our non-finnish-male numbers are still drastically lower. In lights of these studies, i hope it stays that way too.

    https://www.uusisuomi.fi/kotimaa/220...ovempia-toimia
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    http://www.poliisi.fi/instancedata/p...sakuu_2016.pdf

    https://www.uusisuomi.fi/kotimaa/199...alaisten-osuus
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    Kun ulkomaan kansalaisten osuus kaikista ilmoitetuista seksuaalirikoksista – niistä, joissa epäilty on tiedossa – oli tammi-kesäkuussa 2015 noin 24 prosenttia, oli se kuluvan vuoden vastaavana aikana kasvanut noin 44 prosenttiin.
    Alkuvuonna ilmoitettiin 187 seksuaalirikosta, joissa epäilty on tiedossa. Näistä epäillyistä 82 oli ulkomaan kansalaisia.
    Rough translation: In January-June 2015 24% of sexualcrimes were done by people who are citizens of another country (foreigners), it rose to 44% in same time in 2017. Beginning of the year 187 sexual crimes were done where suspect was known, and out of these 82 was foreigners.

    So while finnish numbers are considerably lower, they show worrying trend too in overrepresentation.

    Should we get something similar to #metoo campaign bringing out these statistics more so that they would be taken seriously rather than downplayed by the left and mainstream media?
    Last edited by Ziltoid; October 25, 2017 at 08:17 AM.

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    would've been interesting to see that study, but the link in friaTider didn't work.

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    I'm personally not surprised, but what's the total number?

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    There seems to be some errors in the Google translation:

    The survey also shows that gay owls share of the total number of rapes has risen sharply in recent years
    Though if accurate, this is a troubling trend indeed.
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    gay owls, the slander

    so, this is a far-right "media" organ, eh?

    anyway, would be nice if the links to the sources could be fixed.

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    I'm sure it's just Google translate being silly. I'll take Ziltoid's word for it, but the data is still incomplete in his post. I'd like a comparison of sexual assaults before and after migration flows, by year, etc. Fair enough if this data simply isn't available due to the politics of Sweden, but it's probably not a good idea to reach conclusions without seeing as much of the whole picture as you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    I'm sure it's just Google translate being silly. I'll take Ziltoid's word for it, but the data is still incomplete in his post. I'd like a comparison of sexual assaults before and after migration flows, by year, etc. Fair enough if this data simply isn't available due to the politics of Sweden, but it's probably not a good idea to reach conclusions without seeing as much of the whole picture as you can.
    Indeed part of the problem is this topic being such a taboo its hard to get the statistics on these. The finnish police ones are for sure 100% legit though and straight from the police itself. These matters should get more transparency rather than being it so hard to get even basic info on it.

    This is the 80 page study in .pdf form, best source i could find on it.

    https://pjjonasson.files.wordpress.c...i_utlandet.pdf

    Ill add it on OP too.

    Hopefully this study means also that some goverment entity will get into the matter and provide directly their info for everyone to see. So that we will know this info for sure without agendas or bias. More transparency in these matters is necessary.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    New survey on foreigners and sexual offenses
    Press Release • Oct 23, 2017 00:57 CEST

    A survey of almost all convictions for sexual offenses 2012-2017 shows that:
    • The proportion of convicted Swedes, in proportion to other groups, has decreased since 2013 and dropped sharply over the past two years.
    • Men with overseas descent commit 84% of gross rape. Swedes come first in fourth place, after Afghans, Iraqis and Somalis.
    • Two out of three serious rapes are committed by asylum seekers or men who have been granted residence permits.
    • National groups with the highest factor (probability) commit gross rape are Algerian, Afghan, Tunisian, Moroccans and Palestinian Territories.
    • 95.6% of assault violence is committed by men of foreign descent.
    • Most assault violence in individuals is committed by Somali, Eritrean, Algerian, Iraqi and Gambian.
    • Most assault violence is committed in Stockholm, Hudiksvall and Eskilstuna.
    • 90% of group violence is committed by men of overseas descent. Every fourth rapist who acted as a group is Afghan.
    • Most rapists who acted in groups have been convicted in Ystad, Eksjö and Uppsala. Göteborg is in 11th place, Stockholm 16th and Malmö 21st.
    • Foreigners victims of Swedish sexually to a much greater extent than other foreigners.
    • Men with European descent usually commit other forms of sexual abuse than punching. Three-fourths of sentenced Africans have popped their victims.
    • A majority of those convicted of couples are Romans.
    • Homovolts' share of total rape has risen sharply in recent years, while group rape against men is now the most common category.
    • 85% of those convicted of group violence against men are Afghans.
    • Adopted men, regardless of country, commit sexual offenses to a greater extent than not only Swedes, but also non-adopted from the same country group.
    • Swedish men are overrepresented in only three rubrics: the purchase of sexual acts of children, child pornography and the use of children for sexual orientation.

    The entire study is published here:
    https://pjjonasson.wordpress.com/


    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    There seems to be some errors in the Google translation:
    The survey also shows that gay owls share of the total number of rapes has risen sharply in recent years
    Though if accurate, this is a troubling trend indeed.


    Though i wish it was only gay(lesbian?) owls that women walking at night should have to fear to be stalking in bushes.
    Last edited by Ziltoid; October 24, 2017 at 07:51 PM.

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    PJ Jonasson is the guy who made the survey so the Wordpress link should be the main source and the data also looks reasonable according to a brief evaluation. It checks out with all "sanity checks" I can come up with as it includes the high representation of Swedish convictions for hiring a prostitute and from Flashback I know that the courts tend to act very differently when providing the documents which he mentions in the description of the study. So to me this study looks genuine and it is actually rather conservative as it includes people with two foreign parents but born in Sweden as Swedes.

    Zilthoids translations are however a bit off:

    All rapes 2012-2017
    Sweden 34.3 %
    Iraq 7.1 %
    Afghanistan 3.7 %
    Eritrea 3.6 %
    Somalia 3.6 %

    Severe rape
    Afghanistan 22.9 %
    Iraq 11.4 %
    Somalia 11.4 %
    Sweden 9.5 %
    Eritrea 5.7 %

    Rape against children (includes consentual sex with person below 15 years old)
    Sweden 61.7 %
    Afghanistan 4.5 %
    Iraq 3.6 %
    Finland 2.7 %
    Thailand 2 %

    It should also be mentioned that the proportion of Swedes in group rapes is 6.7 % and for assault rapes 4.4 %. So there is a pretty clear pattern with Swedes committing very few rapes against people they do not know while different immigrant groups got other patterns.

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    I'm pretty sceptical about anything that I could only read about in right wing media. I'd say the same about something I can only find in left media for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    I'm pretty sceptical about anything that I could only read about in right wing media. I'd say the same about something I can only find in left media for that matter.

    I wish I spoke Swedish about now...
    after googleing around, I found the study:

    https://pjjonasson.files.wordpress.c...tlandet_v3.pdf

    It is not an official study, but one done by a private citizen. He says he has a sweden-democratic view (ie the nationalist party) but also claims that all the facts are correct in the study. He made the study because the swedish government said they would not make a new study on foreigners and crime, even though the last such study was more than a decade ago, so he would make one himself. He got the facts by talking to swedish tax agency, courts etc which are required to give out such information if people ask for it.

    the study looks nice and organised to me, and the conclusions are hardly a suprise to anyone. Immigrants and crime being such a controversial topic these days, one would think that the leftist government would jump at the opportunity to make a study which disproves that immigrants are overrepresented. Problem is, it's just the opposite, and the government knows that, which is why they refuse to make a new study on it. So, mr Jonasson is making the public a favor by compiling information which the government wants to hide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    Immigrants and crime being such a controversial topic these days, one would think that the leftist government would jump at the opportunity to make a study which disproves that immigrants are overrepresented. .
    Really? Then why is it a semi-regular feature of the Mudpit? You will be telling us that no-one talks about Trump, Nazis, Islamists , or Israel next.

    Also wondering, if a Swedish or Finnish man comes to my country, he would be, by definition, a foreigner. Are Scandis inferring that by virtue of that, he would be a danger to Celtic or English females in that situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Really? Then why is it a semi-regular feature of the Mudpit? You will be telling us that no-one talks about Trump, Nazis, Islamists , or Israel next.

    Also wondering, if a Swedish or Finnish man comes to my country, he would be, by definition a foreigner. Are Scandis inferring that by virtue of that, he would be a danger to Celtic or English females.
    uh, afaik the swedish government does not have a presence in the political sub-forums of random gaming sites... i was of course speaking about the general political debate, not what happens in some forum...

    no, study shows europeans aren't much of a problem in that regard.

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    Very interesting article in my opinion. (2012, maybe a little bit outdated if you want to blame the new wave of immigrants for rape in sweden).

    Sweden's rape rate under the spotlight

    "In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics," she says.

    "So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."


    "The public debate about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and encouraging women to go to the police if they have been attacked".

    "There might also be some increase in actual crime because of societal changes. Due to the internet, for example, it's much easier these days to meet somebody, just the same evening if you want to. Also, alcohol consumption has increased quite a lot during this period.

    "But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    Very interesting article in my opinion. (2012, maybe a little bit outdated if you want to blame the new wave of immigrants for rape in sweden).

    ...
    of course, the idea that sweden would be "the rape capital of the world" is just ridiculous. No one can serious claim there's more raping going on in sweden than in e.g. congo. The reasons for why it might appear so is 1) broader definition of rape and 2) higher percentage of rapes are reported.

    However... this is a completely seperate issue as to wheter immigrants are overrepresented, which they are. Sweden doesn't need to be rape capital for it to be a problem. Sweden law enforcement isn't exactly perfect right now, and by this point even the socdems realise how bad it is, so they're now branding themselves as the new law and order party (which is laughable, but i appriciate the effort).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    Very interesting article in my opinion. (2012, maybe a little bit outdated if you want to blame the new wave of immigrants for rape in sweden).

    Sweden's rape rate under the spotlight

    "In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics," she says.

    "So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."


    "The public debate about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and encouraging women to go to the police if they have been attacked".

    "There might also be some increase in actual crime because of societal changes. Due to the internet, for example, it's much easier these days to meet somebody, just the same evening if you want to. Also, alcohol consumption has increased quite a lot during this period.

    "But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before."
    This article has been shared like a million times on this forum before. Its only implication would be that the number of rapes in total were exaggerated, not that foreigners weren't overrepresented. I'd suggest to everyone that it's not a counter-argument to the new study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    was of course speaking about the general political debate,
    General debate isn't confined to obscure conservatively-minded sites

    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    no, study shows europeans aren't much of a problem in that regard.
    So it is not generic 'foreigners', as asserted. Glad we cleared that one up.

    I might mention that anyone sleeping with a 15 year old in my country would be considered a paedophile, no studies needed to assert that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    General debate isn't confined to obscure conservatively-minded sites
    yeah no duh. Are you seriously challenging the claim that "immigration and crime" is a controversial topic in the general debate? Have you been living under a rock?

    So it is not generic 'foreigners', as asserted. Glad we cleared that one up.

    I might mention that anyone sleeping with a 15 year old in my country would be considered a paedophile, no studies needed to assert that point.
    right, it's not foreigners per se, but specific foreigners from certain parts of the world, yeah.

    okay, but why mention that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    I'm pretty sceptical about anything that I could only read about in right wing media. I'd say the same about something I can only find in left media for that matter.

    I wish I spoke Swedish about now...
    I wouldn't necessarily dismiss it. I imagine that only Swedes would normally be interested in this, and only right wing channels would report on this as they look for any excuses to bash immigrants. Mainstream media wouldn't look for this sort of thing hence they don't report it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    I might mention that anyone sleeping with a 15 year old in my country would be considered a paedophile, no studies needed to assert that point.
    Ephebophilia would be the more precise term I imagine.
    Last edited by Love Mountain; October 25, 2017 at 11:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    yeah no duh. Are you seriously challenging the claim that "immigration and crime" is a controversial topic in the general debate?
    I am saying its a false argument. When Labour opened the migration floodgates crime fell like a stone. No link, he hired 10s of thousands of police and other law enforcement officials as part of his tough on the causes of crime policy. Now with a Conservative government, with migration caps, post Brexit vote xenophobia and with 10's of thousands of police/law enforcement officials made redundant crime is rising. You might see what I'm getting at. Now if you were debating these crimes from an impact on females perspective ( and the kids ) that's more relevant. Weinstein for example sends a message that women should be able to go about their work without risk of molestation.

    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    right, it's not foreigners per se, but specific foreigners from certain parts of the world, yeah.
    okay, but why mention that?
    Coz it is relevant. Otherwise it would just be another Mudpit rant thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    Ephebophilia would be the more precise term I imagine.
    Oddly, it might not apply to some EU nations (with the legal age in being 14 )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    I wouldn't necessarily dismiss it. I imagine that only Swedes would normally be interested in this,
    Well as finnish person, i am also interested as our policies are often fairly similar to Sweden or even following certain trends of theirs. It also shows what could be reality in Finland too in near future if we were to follow as lenient and open arms immigration policy as they do. So as a sort of "warning example" it is highly valuable. As the saying goes: "Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others."

    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    and only right wing channels would report on this as they look for any excuses to bash immigrants. Mainstream media wouldn't look for this sort of thing hence they don't report it.
    In Finland mainstream media has reported also these cases, the biggest newspapers that don't push any particular political agenda strongly like Iltalehti and Iltasanomat (two biggest countrywide newspapers). In Sweden things often tend to be tad more politically correct, so im assumming over there its less likely to get such widespread reporting, and rather just circle around in places like Fria Tider or other SD (Sverige Demokraterna) oriented sites and blogs.

    Few links to prove it from this year below that particularily point out how iraqis are suddenly way overrepresented in sexual crime statistics in finnish mainstream media:
    https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005206976.html
    https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005207190.html
    HS.fi in particular is known to be actually very left leaning in various issues so "only right wing channels would report on this" certainly isn't the case in Finland atleast.

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    Those statistics from police for example tell that from 2015 to 2016 rapes by foreigners has gone up 41% and generic sexual harassment by foreigners 153% in Finland.

    Anyways just dismissing it all as "excuse to bash immigrants" is fairly ignorant too. About same as we would just deduct #metoo campaign as bashing cis white males and nothing else. No, there is actually bigger problem there behind it, and those statistics clearly prove it. Just because they provide data that is highly politically loaded, doesn't devalue em or make just some sort of "right wing hatefodder" that should be dismissed just for sake of it and because its giving support for argumentations of certain political leaning.

    Anyways, potential good outcome id wish to see from the 80 page study in OP would be to cause debate rather than mainstream media downplaying or treating the subject as taboo and hopefully more transparency on statistical information like this. We can't solve problem if we don't even admit it exists and just instead hide the data showing it.

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