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    Default [Amendment] Dual Consulship & Aedile Act

    This proposal is proposed on its own merit; however, it will work in tandem with the propose Censor Jury proposal.




    Dual Consulship

    Curator: It is a manager or overseer
    Consul: It was the title of one of the chief magistrates of the Roman Republic

    It is not a deal breaker. As you can see, both titles work well. It is more of a perception of the heightened prestige of the position.

    The proposal is to elect two Consuls. They will be elected so that each election takes place every two months. In this way, there will always be an experienced Consul.



    The rationale
    + It may seem counter-intuitive to propose two Consuls when we have had trouble finding one, but by having the two the workload would be cut in half, thus adding a greater attractiveness to the position. Moreover, having an experienced Consul should encourage those that are hesitant to take on the responsibility to do so.
    + In the event that a Consul is removed from office, the other Consul can function as normal and conduct a replacement election in a timely manner.
    + There is no need for a "perfect" of any kind. The two Consuls along with any assistant (Lictors) would be more than sufficient to handle the moderation of the forum and perform any day to day tasks.



    Name Change
    + Change the name of the Curator to Consul to reflect the role better.
    + Another name change and limits: Curator's Assistants to Aedile. (The term is open for debate)


    Responsibilities
    + Both Consuls will act as moderators for the forum enforcing the Code of Conduct. The Consul will have the power to initiate referrals. When one Consul initiates a referral, the other serves as a tiebreaker if needed.
    + The Consuls will be tasked to report directly to Hex any instances where a citizen is in breach of the ToS. Hex reports shall be recorded in the Politia chat thread. (source)
    a thread warning posted in 'purple lettering.
    a PM.
    a referral to the censors.
    + In the event that Censor recuse, one of the Consuls will act as Censor. The other will serve as a tiebreaker if needed.
    + The Consul with the longest term of service will be deemed the Senior Consul.
    + Each Consul may appoint at least one Aedile to perform day to day tasks.
    Record keeping
    Starting and closing polls.
    Opening application, debate, and voting threads for Curial Officers.
    Archiving of threads

    Qualifications for Consul
    Served at least two terms as either a Magistrate or Censor or have completed 3 months as a Moderator. (All other qualifications for Curial office applies)

    Qualifications for Aedile
    No Curial or Moderation warning for the past 6 months.
    If a Lictor receives a Curial or Moderation warning they will be removed effective immediately.

    Aedile Identification
    Aediles will not have a badge, but a user title to distinguish them from the Curator.

    Election cycle.
    Upon passage of the act, the current "Curator" (henceforth, Consul) will organize an election for a Consul whose term will end on 19 January 2019. From 19 January 2019, the Consul will serve for the full 4 months.

    Constitutional Changes
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    Section I
    Article II.
    The Curator and Curial OfficersCurial Officers and Appointed Curial Officials

    Citizens elect and can run for9 Curial Officer positions: Magistrates, Censors and the CuratorConsuls.10

    The Consuls must appoint at least one citizen to serve as Aedile. [New Footnote]

    The Consul with the longest term of service will be deemed the Senior Consul


    The CuratorConsuls acts as a local moderators [New Footnote]of the Curia in order to maintain orderly discussion and is responsible for ensuring the Curia's day-to-day tasks are accomplished..11 Magistrates review Moderation actions and Censors the conduct of citizens.7


    Undue absence or negligence may lead to an officer's removal from office.12 Any Curial Officer or appointed Curial official receiving a Moderation or Curial warning is immediately removed from office.


    Regulations and Procedures to Section I

    5 To be able to patronize members for Citizenship the Citizen must have held their own Citizenship for three months.
    Patronisation Procedure:

    1. The patron confirms the candidate meets the requirements and, with the candidate's consent, Moderation is requested to inform the patron and the CuratorBoth Consuls whether the moderation requirement is met.
    2. Given moderational clearance, the patron writes an introductory letter outlining why they are nominating the candidate.
    3. The candidate and patron formulate an application which highlights the candidate's contributions along with any supporting evidence/information.
    4. The patron posts the introductory letter and application in a new thread in the Quaestiones Perpetuae forum.
    5. After a two day discussion period the Curatora consul or aedile adds a poll lasting five days.
    6. The discussion period can be extended at the discretion of the Curator, provided an explanation is given.
    7. If the candidate achieves sixty percent of non-abstaining votes, they are entitled to the award of Citizenship.
    8. The CuratorOne of the Consuls will informs the candidate and patron of the result. If the candidate does not pass they are not eligible to apply again for one month after the conclusion of the poll.


    [New Footnote The Consuls will be tasked to report directly to Hex any instances where a citizen is in breach of the ToS. Hex reports shall be recorded in the Politia chat thread. (source)
    a thread warning posted in 'purple lettering.
    a PM.
    a referral to the censors.

    [New Footnote] Aedile to perform day to day tasks.
    Record keeping
    Starting and closing polls.
    Opening application, debate, and voting threads for Curial Officers.
    Archiving of threads

    11 They must appoint a Citizen assist with this. No matter who carries out these tasks, the Curator is Consuls arethe one responsible for seeing that they are done promptly and correctly.

    12 If the Consul Curator or a Censor is absent (has not logged into the site) for seven days without giving a notice of absence, is absent for more than fifteen days regardless of notice, resigns, or is subject to a successful Vote of No Confidence (VoNC), they are automatically removed from office along with any appointed assistants their appointed Aedile. Any decisions of the office shall be held over until a replacement is elected. When such a decision is time-limited, time from the moment the office is empty does not count towards the limit until a new Consul Curator or Censor is elected.
    When one of the Consuls are removed for any reason, the other Consul will organize an election for another Consul. The day to day administration of the site will continue with one Consul until a replacement of the removed Consul has been elected. When the office of the Curator is empty, the Censor whose term is closest to completion will organize the election of a new Curator, and assume day-to-day administration of the Curia.



    Section II
    Article II. Elections
    For every election the Curator a Consul or Aedile opens a thread for applications3 to the vacant position and another one for all questions and discussion about the election4. The Administration may veto any applicant.
    Once applications are complete, the Curatora Consul or Aedile opens a poll in the Curia Vote forum5. The member who receives the highest number of votes is elected to the position.6

    The elections for each Consul must be two months apart. In the event a Consul is removed early, the replacement will complete the previous term.

    Article III. Resolutions

    Any Citizen can table a resolution for discussion by posting a thread in the Prothalamos.7
    Resolutions can be Amendments, making changes to this document8; Decisions, suggesting changes to the site; Nominations, proposing a member for a Curial award; or Votes of No Confidence (VoNC) against Curial Officers or Staff Members. A VoNC may only be initiated for neglect of duty or abuse of authority9 and, if successful against a Curial Officer, results in their immediate removal from office.10

    All resolutions are voted on at the proposer's request5, 11 and pass on the basis of a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes in favour.12 All Amendments13 and Decisions14 are considered to have immediate effect and no retroactive effect unless specifically stated otherwise. The Administration may veto any resolution.

    After a successful vote the Curatora Consul or Aedile enacts the resolution, or requests the administration to enact it or to give an official reason for not doing so.15



    Regulations and Procedures to Section II

    3 Should more than six members apply for any position, the Administration may shortlist six members to stand for the election. If there is no applicant, the application period is prolonged and the incumbent will remain in office until a replacement has been elected.
    Applicants for the offices of Consul cannot have received an infraction, or a Curial Warning, in at least 6 months, and must have been Citizens for at least three months. They served minimally two terms as either a Censor or magistrate or 3 months as a moderator as a citizen. Applicants for the offices of Censor and Curator cannot have received an infraction, or a Curial Warning, in at least 6 months, and must have been Citizens for at least three months. Applicants for the office of Magistrate cannot have received a Moderation Warning, or a Curial Warning, in at least six months.
    7 Any Prothalamos threads can be moved to the Archives by the Curatora Consul or Aedile if they are not posted in for twenty-eight days.

    8 The CuratorConsuls may correct any spelling, grammatical or formative errors in the Constitution or any Curial resolution. The details of any such changes must be recorded in the Amendments thread of the Tabularium.

    9 Frivolous use of this procedure shall be considered grounds for Curial disciplinary proceedings as per Section III.

    11 For being moved to vote the latest version of a resolution requires at least three Citizens to post in its Prothalamos thread indicating their support. The latest version of the resolution must be debated for at least three days in the Prothalamos before the proposer can request it be moved to vote.
    When a resolution is moved to vote, the Prothalamos thread is left open and the Curatora Consul or Aedile posts the latest version of the resolution, and a link to its Prothalamos thread, as a new poll in the Curia Vote forum. Subsequent posts in this thread are limited to the notification of having voted. Messages lobbying to vote for or against, including via signatures and avatars are prohibited; however, posts lobbying to vote for or against are allowed in the original Prothalamos thread and in the Curial Commentary Thread.
    Where a Decision requires the Curia to choose between multiple options, two polls are run concurrently, the first poll as a normal Decision, the second poll outlining the various options to choose from if the Decision passes. Whichever option receives the plurality of votes is implemented, but only if the Decision passes in the usual manner.
    Citizens may not view the results of Curia Votes (unless necessary for the execution of any other duty to the site) until the vote has concluded.

    13 The Curatora Consul or Aedile posts the text of all passed Amendments in a stickied Amendments thread in the Tabularium, numbered consecutively in the order they pass. The stickied Constitution thread in the Curia is then edited to reflect the changes made by passed Amendments. When a Section or Article is added or removed, all subsequent Sections and Articles are renumbered by the Curator appropriately.

    14 The Curatora Consul or Aedile posts the text of all passed Decisions in a stickied Decisions thread in the Tabularium, consecutively in the order they pass.

    15 After an election or resolution has been voted on all its threads are archived appropriately by the Curatora Consul or Aedile.


    Section III

    Article I. The Triumvirate and Referrals


    Citizens are expected to behave in an exemplary manner. This is reviewed and judged by the Triumvirate. It consists of:

    • The Censors - Who discuss and vote on every Referral.
    • The Curator Consuls - Who may discuss Referrals, but only one votes in the case of a tie.
    • Hexagon Council members - Who may choose to participate.


    Members of the Triumvirate must recuse themselves in their own Referrals.8

    Citizens are referred1 to the Triumvirate by Moderation for infraction incurred or by either Consul for conduct unbecoming a citizen. In addition any citizen can file an Ostrakohn against another citizen, if they believe the accused should be stripped of citizenship. [new footnote unknown]

    The TriumvirateOne of the Consuls then requests a defence3 from the referred and decides4 whether5 and which6 disciplinary action is to be taken.7


    Regulations and Procedures to Section III

    8 If a voting member of the Triumvirate recuses themselves from a Referral, the Curatorone of the Consuls will serve as a substitute judge to sit on a case. The Consuls may appoints the runner up from the last Censor election as a substitute judge to sit on the case. In the case the appointee refuses to sit as a substitute judge, the CuratorConsuls will appoint the next runner-up.
    In the case all Citizens who ran in the last Censor election refuse to sit, a shortened election will take place, subject to the procedures in Section II, Article II, with application period and vote each lasting one day.

    9 The Curator One of the Consuls will posts the original private Referral, and further action thread in the Questiones Perpetuae, and opens a new poll thread with the options to keep, overturn or change the ruling, or abstain. The poll lasts for four days. If the Citizenry votes to change the punishment, theCurator One of the Consuls will opens a second poll for four days. The options are all punishments excluding the original punishment, and abstention. A simple majority of non-abstaining votes is required for the first vote. In the case of a vote to either increase or decrease punishment, in the second vote, the option with the highest number of votes is the punishment given. Where two options have the same number of votes, the punishment given is determined by the Multiple Transferable Vote System.


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    CHANGES (as 23 Nov. 2018)_______________________________________________________________________
    1. Added the Constitutional Changes (21 Nov. 2018)
    2. Changed the assistant name from Lictor to Aedile. (21 Nov. 2018)
    3. Added the "Assistant" will not display a badge, only the title beneath the avatar. (21 Nov. 2018)
    4. Added the provision about how the Dual Consulship to elected upon passage. (21 Nov. 2018)
    5. Removed the restriction on the number of assistants. (23 Nov. 2018)
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    Interesting proposal!
    I'd like to know why this would be necessary when a Curator has a large amount of assistants to support him, and divide the labour amongst them. Would it then be necessary with two Curators? Your main point appears to be how the workload is cut in half and more attractiveness is added to the position, but I do not quite see the need for this when assistants are a thing.

    I see that this might be very useful if a Curator has no assistants, though I do hope that never happens.
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    There have been several election cycles with one or no applicants. The job is huge even with assistants. The dual system also does away with having the Censor take administrative duties. The second curator will function as normal. This also means that assistants won't be dismissed when the Curator is removed.

    I should note that the number of assistants varies and right now we have more assistants than we have ever had. What you are seeing is the exception, not the rule.

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    Dual curatorship could possibly increase the number of applicants by reducing workload? Is that what your rationale is, just to clarify.
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    Yes, If you consider everything that must be done, plus the added responsibility of "moderating the Curia," it is quite daunting.
    Many have also expressed their preference for being a CA because they do not have the burden of the position on them. The co-Curatorship could be a nice half-step working with a more experience Curator.

    I just want to note, this is only one rationale. I have expressed others as well.

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    I am interested in trying this

    especially the senior curator being able to work in figures like me


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    Why not throw in two curators and remake censors as the new curator's assistants?

    I'm not partial to that or anything else behind any re branding proposals going on, but it's a thought should anyone want to take it and run with it.

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    Basically Brew and me do that right now. To the extend this is possible constitutionally. So basically in all but name and I take all the blame in case something goes wrong.

    I like it and would prefer them being called consules. Also one of them should have moderation experience or a guide.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikanár View Post
    Basically Brew and me do that right now. To the extend this is possible constitutionally. So basically in all but name and I take all the blame in case something goes wrong.

    I like it and would prefer them being called consules. Also one of them should have moderation experience or a guide.
    Same as Aik said, I'd like it if something can be added that these two consuls can replace recused censors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikanár View Post
    Basically Brew and me do that right now. To the extend this is possible constitutionally. So basically in all but name and I take all the blame in case something goes wrong.

    I like it and would prefer them being called consules. Also one of them should have moderation experience or a guide.
    Quote Originally Posted by General Brewster View Post
    Same as Aik said, I'd like it if something can be added that these two consuls can replace recused censors.
    I also prefer the term, Consul.

    Would you be amenable to 3 months moderation or two terms as Magistrate or Censor?
    I would consider both if anything to encourage members to pursue the other two positions first.

    If the above is adopted then it would make sense to allow the "Consules" to replace recuse Censors.

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    Opposed. Recent personnel infusions in the Curia have revealed that those among the most ambitious of us do not deserve such power. I'd rather the Curia stalls into inactivity on certain issues for months than unqualified applicants be raised to that power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Opposed. Recent personnel infusions in the Curia have revealed that those among the most ambitious of us do not deserve such power. I'd rather the Curia stalls into inactivity on certain issues for months than unqualified applicants be raised to that power.
    I do not believe this is necessarily true. In many cases, people have given greater responsibility and "power" will raise their level of behavior commensurate to their position. As referees, we often joked the best officials were some of the worse offenders on the pitch, both physically and verbally. I was one such individual. I had a coach who said I gain 10 years of maturity the minute I stop playing and take the whistle.

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    In light of the passing of the Ostrakon amendment and recent events. I have updated the OP.

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    Support. This is more than reasonable in the lights of the latest changes and problems of the Curia and finally clarifies the responsibilities.

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    Support. I would like to see how this will be implemented, especially with the current situation.

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    Opposed as it is now. What happens when one of the consuls disagrees with the approach or action of the other? If we are going to add a new position, consul, prefect, etc... it needs to be in assistance of the curator and not coequal. Also, please, let's never call anyone a lictor. I don't care how historical it is.

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    It was already floated that the Consul with the seniority would have the final call. Seniority will be the longest-serving Consul.
    I am open to suggestions for a new name. I just don't like Consul Assistant or even Curator's assistant.

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    Support.
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    I think there should be more room for flexibility. If two people want to be co-Curators, that's totally fine and we should have a system for that, but for folks who would rather work solo, I don't think we should take that option away.

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    Also, please, let's never call anyone a lictor. I don't care how historical it is.
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