The Muhammad and Aisha controversy

[PointOfViewGun]

PointOfViewGun,

The relevance is that Aisha was as young or younger than them and so the parallel is the same. How does a girl as young as them know what is just lust or the so-called glamour of marriage? Both were groomed into accepting what an adult said yet one gets to paradise and the others not. How do you explain that?

You're asking that after we spent pages on explaining that. Why you'd ignore the answers you've already received is beyond me.

[basics]

PointOfViewGun,

This is not the day for fighting or arguing so please have a Happy Christmas.

[LestaT]

I don't think we should defend them so much as understand the historical contexts and environment in which they lived. I don't think we should view things through such an anachronistic lens, passing judgment on people whose circumstances were so radically different from ours. It certainly doesn't help anyone to get emotional about people who've been dead for hundreds of years, or more recently than that, considering how even Edgar Allen Poe, one of America's most treasured poets and authors of the 19th century, married his 13-year-old cousin Virginia Eliza Clemm Poe when he was 27.

In that same token, people should have an honest discussion about the Prophet Muhammad and place his life within the context of 7th century Arabia. He was a brutal warlord and did many things, such as mass executions, that his contemporaries had no problems with given there were no international human rights or rules of war, it was the rules of the jungle (or in this case, the desert). At the same time, it would be wrong of us to judge him for these actions, because in many situations it was kill-or-be-killed and he made executive decisions that were based on ensuring the survival of not only himself but his entirely new religious community of Muslims in a world filled with rival pagans, Christians, and Jews.

Mass executions as in the Banu Quraizah thing? Well, it's not the law of the jungle but based on existing treaties. Even today, in many modern and secular countries, the punishment for treason during wartime is death.

[LestaT]

PointOfViewGun,

Oh, it's not made up, just a fact of life that can be experienced by anyone throughout all history. How do you explain that all the other wives did not bear him any children until Maria supposedly did? I mean if Mohammed and all his wives from Aisha to Maria didn't produce was he using condoms or was he just not interested in them? Hardly an example for his followers to follow when they get their 72 virgins.

Mary was believed to give birth to Jesus when she was 15 or 16.

Is God a pedeophile?

[PointOfViewGun]

Mass executions as in the Banu Quraizah thing? Well, it's not the law of the jungle but based on existing treaties. Even today, in many modern and secular countries, the punishment for treason during wartime is death.

The Banu Qurayza tribe story suspectedly has no reference in Jewish recordings, which were known to record everything. The references in the Hadith stories contradict each other immensely. There are 3 major versions; the entire tribe was executed, only the male were executed, and only the leaders were executed. One version even suggests that Muhammad himself personally executed every single one of them...

[Aexodus]

Mass executions as in the Banu Quraizah thing? Well, it's not the law of the jungle but based on existing treaties. Even today, in many modern and secular countries, the punishment for treason during wartime is death.

So Mohammad was a warlord?

[95thrifleman]

So Mohammad was a warlord?

I don't think anybody is arguing that the man wasn't a military leader.

[basics]

Mary was believed to give birth to Jesus when she was 15 or 16.

Is God a pedeophile?

LestaT,

Long time no hear so how are you? Well I hope! Mary was indeed somewhere between 15 and 16 when she gave birth to Jesus which by today's standards is not that uncommon. Nowadays here in the West we consider these ages to be too young because we see girls and boys as still being that rather than matured adults capable of controlling our emotions and being able to stand on our own two feet. In other parts of the world girls even younger than Mary was are becoming pregnant and surviving.

Now as far as God is concerned you are assuming that He had sex with Mary but in reality Jesus Who already was God took up union with Mary's egg to become a human this being overseen by the Holy Spirit Who it was written would overcome her. I know you won't like that answer but it is what is written. There is no evidence anywhere that Jesus ever had sex with anyone, why? Because unlike Mohammed He was not only a man but God with us.