[2018-XXIX] [Citizen Referral] Van Zandt

[Aikanár]

For review of the triumvirate.

Van Zandt.

This request for review is regarding the secondary claim of additional charges to be made against Hitai.

A VoNC may only be initiated for neglect of duty or abuse of authority9

9 Frivolous use of this procedure shall be considered grounds for Curial disciplinary proceedings as per Section III.

There were nine days between the assertion additional charges were pending and the request to close the thread. Hitai still holds a position of censor. If there are questions as to his integrity, the appointment of a new curator does not negate those questions. For nine days the office of censor, held by Hitai, has been under threat of charges which never materialized.

October 13, 2018, 09:05 PM

This is an active proposal. Additional charges are pending and the OP will be updated.

October 15, 2018, 07:38 PM

Some serious constitutional issues have been raised here. I am not sure I have the answers to these questions so I will leave the proposal open.

October 22, 2018, 09:07 PM

With the appointment of a new Curator the constitutional crisis has passed. This proposal can now be archived.

[Aikanár]

Defense requested.

[Aikanár]

Defense received:

After some deliberation...


The charge is stated in this passage, "There were nine days between the assertion additional charges were pending and the request to close

the thread. Hitai still holds a position of censor. If there are questions as to his integrity, the appointment of a new curator does not

negate those questions. For nine days the office of censor, held by Hitai, has been under threat of charges which never materialized."




Apparently is asking for the posting of the additional claims, however as noted in my next post, "Some serious constitutional issues have

been raised here. I am not sure I have the answers to these questions so I will leave the proposal open.", I have responded to


communications and have stated my intentions with regards to the proposal. Example of one of some of the requests found in the thread,


"This, frankly, should be abandoned, especially as the decision that led to it has been upheld by the curia".


"I'm sure you did what you thought best, but considering the Curia has already officially upheld the Triumvirate's decision, what is this

vonc actually based on?"


"Van Zandt, make this stop! Please!"


Additionally, after stating my intentions to leave the thread open due to Constitutional issues......


"Van Zandt, please let this one go and abandon it for good".


Pikestance's appeal was declined (by one vote)so arguments that the initial parts of the VONC clams were moot were considered.


Election of the new Curator removed the constitutional issues regrading the senior censor assuming powers in the curia. And at this point


the VONC was requested to be archived as events had bypassed the initial charges.




In addition, according the the Constitution, Section III, Article I, footnote/subsection VII..


"7 At the conclusion of the process, the Curator informs the referred member of the result, and asks whether the member wants the Referral


to be made public or kept private. Referrals made public are moved to the Antechamber, private Referrals are kept in the Politia"


Therefore, I will make a decision regarding the threads public/private status after receiving the results.


Regards,


Van Zandt

[Veteraan]

I'm not convinced that it was the intention of van Zandt to initiate a frivolous referral.

One could argue that there has been a fair amount of poor judgement by Van Zand shown in the VONC against Hitai, which includes the announcement of additional claims that never materialized. It could and probably should have been handled better. But having said that, I still think it is possible that the VONC was the result of a sincere concern about the situation.

Therefore I would go for DISMISS.

[General Brewster]

Poll added.

[Sir Adrian]

I concur with Vet. The whole vonc was a shamefull display but i believe it came out of ignorance not malice.

Dismiss.

[Hitai de Bodemloze]

Dismissed.

Archived publicly by request.