the calm down thread

[Garbarsardar]

Nah, I don't think the most important aspect is that H&G is or isn't everyone's most loved forum member: the real issue is that ON went behind everyone's back to put someone in a position for which he did not have the requisite experience, and to fire more than a dozen members who had, between them, decades of experience. That's the issue.

Indeed. And this happened after the staff agreed to ON's requests of changes in the system.

[Ronin]

This is complete chaos... I wonder if TWC is going to end up collapsing.

[Richard the Lionheart]

The funny thing is that the Staff agreed to the changes Ogre wanted but less than a day later Ogre went and sacked them anyway...

Only when Archer resigned after he was shot down when he presented the fact that ON wanted him as imperator/head admin and his choice of two consuls/secondary-admins.

[Ragabash]

I remember that it was your actions as a moderator that made people dislike you, current actions have just proven that feeling justice and true.

[Kscott]

Honor yes or no.

Do you actually care about TWC?

Because it seems like you just get a boner by pissing people off. And obviously this boner is figurative so dont get bent out of shape.

I became the worst moderator in the history of TWC and the most hated member in TWC when it was most convenient....one day ago, when ON gave me a little badge.

I dunno, you have been widly hated for quite some time now, but again you never cared about facts.

[Richard the Lionheart]

Honor yes or no.

Do you actually care about TWC?

Because it seems like you just get a boner by pissing people off. And obviously this boner is figurative so dont get bent out of shape.


I dunno, you have been widly hated for quite some time now, but again you never cared about facts.

Did I care about TWC? I can say yes. That's why I worked my butt off for seven months. Nobody really thanked me, a group of people hated me for some reason, some people like gig, professor420, and katrina plotted to frame me for an ostrakon and I really had no plans or thoughts about promotion and rise in ranks. I guess you could say that's why I never got into the politics and instead focused on enforcing the ToS, policing the forum, and did what needed to be done.

It was a growing trend and it was a huge thing near the time of my departure for "moderators" to be very political and try to win public support to get a promotion to hex, you know, don't moderate too much, except for the really obvious stuff. Don't do anything risky. I can say that I took many risks to basically "get the job done" as a moderator. Some think that's bad I guess.

Certainly I could have gotten myself deeply involved in the Curia politics like gig, garb, mim, imb, and so forth and won favor through that manner while using my moderator badge merely as a symbol of higher status. If you want to be in HEX, you have to be curial, period. lol Remember that depending on what happens to this site eventually. :wink:

[Sétanta]

Hey! I was the original plotter, I told Katrina to start gathering evidence of your illegal behavior a long time ago. Gig and professor just agreed. You care about your own power, and maybe at one point you did care about TWC. Now you don't. WE do. WE know what the community is all about.

You are admitting that the Curia ran the site. All the best members advanced through the Curia. Perhaps you never advanced because you weren't one of the best members? Maybe it wasn't about politics, maybe it was about the site.

You have broken the ToS many times.

[Garbarsardar]

Did I care about TWC? I can say yes. That's why I worked my butt off for seven months. Nobody really thanked me, a group of people hated me for some reason, some people like gig, professor420, and katrina plotted to frame me for an ostrakon and I really had no plans or thoughts about promotion and rise in ranks. I guess you could say that's why I never got into the politics and instead focused on enforcing the ToS, policing the forum, and did what needed to be done.

It was a growing trend and it was a huge thing near the time of my departure for "moderators" to be very political and try to win public support to get a promotion to hex, you know, don't moderate too much, except for the really obvious stuff. Don't do anything risky. I can say that I took many risks to basically "get the job done" as a moderator. Some think that's bad I guess.

Certainly I could have gotten myself deeply involved in the Curia politics like gig, garb, mim, imb, and so forth and won favor through that manner while using my moderator badge merely as a symbol of higher status. If you want to be in HEX, you have to be curial, period. lol Remember that depending on what happens to this site eventually. :wink:

Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince "Yet it cannot be called Prowess to kill fellow citizens, to betray freinds, to be treacherous, pitiless, irreligious. These ways can win a prince power - but not glory."

And I still expect you to restore the threads you removed from sight.

[Kscott]

Did I care about TWC? I can say yes. That's why I worked my butt off for seven months. Nobody really thanked me, a group of people hated me for some reason, some people like gig, professor420, and katrina plotted to frame me for an ostrakon and I really had no plans or thoughts about promotion and rise in ranks. I guess you could say that's why I never got into the politics and instead focused on enforcing the ToS, policing the forum, and did what needed to be done.

It was a growing trend and it was a huge thing near the time of my departure for "moderators" to be very political and try to win public support to get a promotion to hex, you know, don't moderate too much, except for the really obvious stuff. Don't do anything risky. I can say that I took many risks to basically "get the job done" as a moderator. Some think that's bad I guess.

Certainly I could have gotten myself deeply involved in the Curia politics like gig, garb, mim, imb, and so forth and won favor through that manner while using my moderator badge merely as a symbol of higher status. If you want to be in HEX, you have to be curial, period. lol Remember that depending on what happens to this site eventually. :wink:

Not did, do you? If you dont still then why **** it up for everyone else? Such spite is really sad.

And about the politics, im not convinced but its all irrelevant to the above statement.

[Richard the Lionheart]

Not did, do you? If you dont still then why **** it up for everyone else? Such spite is really sad.

And about the politics, im not convinced but its all irrelevant to the above statement.

I still do yes. Considering that I've been here in this role for just over 24 hours or so, and considering that I've had to deal with flames, chaos, hatred, and revolutions all this time, I haven't had time to do anything as an Admin, and so, calling me a bad or evil admin is unfair in my opinion. Anyways, we have to wait and see what happens to this place tomorrow I guess.

[Evariste]

...nobody really thanked me...

To be fair, no one thanked us, either. Being thanked isn't part of the job...

[The Walrus]

Isn't getting the warm feeling in your heart knowing your helping good enough?

[bigfootedfred]

well, while the new sites been sorted out, can one of the two mods currently running this site please remove the gay porn from the thema Devia!
Its manged to be closed, but the links to gay porn are still there.

Posted 7 hours ago for goodness sake
Gay porn on the site for 7 hours.

Yeah the change is really for the better...

[Ronin]

To be fair, no one thanked us, either. Being thanked isn't part of the job...

The massive backlash now after you were all removed at least shows you were appreciated.

[Ronin]

Removed due to double post.

[gigagaia]

Did I care about TWC? I can say yes. That's why I worked my butt off for seven months. Nobody really thanked me, a group of people hated me for some reason, some people like gig, professor420, and katrina plotted to frame me for an ostrakon and I really had no plans or thoughts about promotion and rise in ranks. I guess you could say that's why I never got into the politics and instead focused on enforcing the ToS, policing the forum, and did what needed to be done.

It was a growing trend and it was a huge thing near the time of my departure for "moderators" to be very political and try to win public support to get a promotion to hex, you know, don't moderate too much, except for the really obvious stuff. Don't do anything risky. I can say that I took many risks to basically "get the job done" as a moderator. Some think that's bad I guess.

Certainly I could have gotten myself deeply involved in the Curia politics like gig, garb, mim, imb, and so forth and won favor through that manner while using my moderator badge merely as a symbol of higher status. If you want to be in HEX, you have to be curial, period. lol Remember that depending on what happens to this site eventually. :wink:

Ah, how you are so easily mislead so often. Whether it be through malice, or simply misunderstanding and misinformation, you are so often not in control of things man. Noone ever worked on "framing you". Katrina was told, by people like Professor and myself, that if she felt that you were abusing your position as her patron, that she should not suffer by, but do something about it.

To be honest, I never had much of a problem with you. I found your tone and demeanour a tad condescending, but I always respected the amount of work you put into the site. You assumed that people were out to get you, when in reality, you saw MacCarthyan shadows haunting you. Just as Katrina was naive at the time, so were you. You didn't look behind the veils, you never asked others, and you merely assumed too much. In the process, you damaged your own and Katrina's reputation in a very large way.

Honor, your biggest flaw, is your total inability to understand the community you so desperately want to be a signifigant part of. I'm sorry to say this and you will no doubt try to argue the point with me (which will all but prove it), but you just seem unable to compromise, unable to accept criticism and simply unable to work with others. Those are values which the TWC community cherishes above all others; we expect debate and synthesis, and we expect each other to find compromise and foster new ideas to make our community grow and prosper, so that each and every one of us can find value in our experience here. If that means that moderators must be accountable to members, then we make feedback threads for others to comment.
Why do you think we love the curia so? Why do you think we valued the Equal Hex structure?
In a sense, you are totally right when you say "it's just a forum". But if that were the case, do you think that so many members would pour their heart and soul, including yourself, into developing and contributing to this forum?
TWC is a community, it's not just a forum. This is why the curia is such a vital aspect to TWC. Because it is the centerpiece of how TWC is different to any other "forum" and is a place which values what the community has to say. Sure the curia has its faults, but I am not here to argue them with you. You, and some others I suspect, never see the curia for what it is, but mistrust it because you do not understand it. Sure, you can turn TWC into a forum which focuses solely on games. But it will become just another forum, somewhere you won't be able to fall in love with. Is that honestly what you want? Do you want a forum which diminishes into obscurity as its centrepiece games fades onto the used game racks in stores?

My suggestion to you is this;
Stop fighting for once and listen. I'm serious. You have never simply stopped, listened to what the other side has to say, and taken their criticism in stride. Look at your moderator feedback threads.
After you do that, please resign. Show that you have some moral decency left in you and redeem yourself. If you honestly think that the forums descended into a mass of chaos primarily because of any other reason than yourself as administrator, perhaps you are more naive than I suspected. If you loved TWC enough to sacrifice the amount of time you did for TWC in moderation, then I hope you can make another sacrifice for the good of the forums. Honor, I'm not going to name-call or swear or even fight you.
I should, really be apologising to you for being an ass at the beginning of all of this. So I will.

I'm sorry for being an ass to you. While I can disagree with you and your ends, and I can be mad at you, it is no liscence to be rude and vindicative.
I'm sorry for being negative about you. There is no excuse.
I'm sorry for any misinformation which may have made you feel defensive. I never intended to conspire against you.
I'm sorry for all and any other hurt I may have caused you.

I will learn from my mistakes Honor. I will be a better person and I will seek to treat others with more respect. I recognize my failings, and I hope that you forgive me.

Please, consider the community which you served for so many hours, and try to think about it as something more than just a board for games. Why would any of us be here, doing what we are, if it were not?

[RZZZA]

that is beautiful man....


I'm sorry too HG, I shouldnt have swore at you. I shouldnt have constructed a heel character out of you and ignore the nuance. You'll always be a TWC brother to me, but frankly I liked you a LOT more when you were just a regular poster like me and didnt get caught up in all the politics.

[Evariste]

Honor, it just seems to me that after you were privy to the Hex forum, your entire TWC career has been devoted to destroying (or contemplating the destruction of) everyone and everything at least loosely associated with those in Hex, while moonlighting as a normal member...


I'm sure comments are made in Hex that disparage most members, after all, it's senior staff's private place to talk openly, and without fear from the public court of opinion...

[therussian]

I would say that not everyone hated you as moderator. Sure there were some ill-contents here and there, but not much.

What really ignited the flame was your pure hypocrisy. You left saying how ****ing bad staff and the curia and TWC was, vowing that you would never return. You carried that attitude to history alive (maybe ana, though I think you were banned before that). And what do you do? You come back. Within a month or two you become the site administrator. Laughable really.

[Evariste]

I don't think that anyone credible here would disagree with how hard you worked during your time as moderator. Hell, I considered you my mentor for a long time.


Still, controversy seemed to follow you, whether or not all of it was fair...


It seemed to me that you tended to take attacks on your moderation too personally and felt that you must respond to everything, instead of acknowledging and moving on...


...That's only how I remember it, and I realize how smug it is for me to continue to comment...