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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    Quote Originally Posted by Veteraan View Post
    Can this go on indefinitely if the OP does not get enough support to get it to the voting stage and he insists to keep going?
    This can only be stopped by the OP or if no new post is posted within 28 days and the then current Curator taking the decision to archive it.

    Van Zandt, please let this one go and abandon it for good.


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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    None of which applies to the VonC, rather to possible future amendments. I will stop posting here to bring about the 28 days as quick as possible.
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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    According to the Constitution;
    In the event, the Curator is removed
    When the office of the Curator is empty, the Censor whose term is closest to completion will organize the election of a new Curator, and assume day-to-day administration of the Curia.
    The Curator's powers
    The Curator acts as a local moderator of the Curia and is responsible for ensuring the Curia's day-to-day tasks are accomplished.
    The operative word here is "administration." The term demonstrates that the Censor takes on all responsibilities in the interim.
    I get why Hitai elected not to act as adminstrator during the Appeal, but not afterward. Anyway, this is why I said during the appeal, the punishment should be suspended. If it had been overturned, then I would have been unjustifiably punished. The argument used was that it was done with SouGamesInc's appeal, but no one thought that it didn't make a lot of sense here. There was no reason why things needed to grind to halt.

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    I don't know about you all but I'm still on board waiting for Hitai's infernal scheme to implode the curia to really come to fruition

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    Quote Originally Posted by Hader View Post
    I don't know about you all but I'm still on board waiting for Hitai's infernal scheme to implode the curia to really come to fruition
    Shots were fired...

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    It is always when you least expect it.

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    I would not expect an interim Curator to conduct duties while under the shadow of a VonC for the actions which put him in that position.

    It’s also three days since Van Zandt claimed additional charges were forthcoming.
    Last edited by Halie Satanus; October 16, 2018 at 04:53 AM.

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    I would not expect an interim Curator to conduct duties while under the shadow of a VonC for the actions which put him in that position.
    I would think the standard of what is abuse is a little higher than that.

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    Equally the standard for what is deserving of a VonC. Seems we both misjudged the what others would consider honourable.

    It’s still three days since Van Zandt claimed additional charges were forthcoming.

    I really hope there is something more substantial than the contrived ‘neglect of duty’ charge.

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    Equally the standard for what is deserving of a VonC. Seems we both misjudged the what others would consider honourable.

    It’s still three days since Van Zandt claimed additional charges were forthcoming.

    I really hope there is something more substantial than the contrived ‘neglect of duty’ charge.

    Maybe it is the old joke;

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    With the appointment of a new Curator the constitutional crisis has passed. This proposal can now be archived.

    However, I strongly feel that the issues raised by this situation will require some modifications to the constitution, in order to provide more orderly transitions and prevent use of anonymous referrals in a petty and vindictive manner. Furthermore, the repeated use of referrals in this fashion, and then using those previous referrals as a basis for a negative judgement should be strongly discouraged.

    Lastly, voting numbers should be set at a 2/3 s majority for all curial votes.
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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Zandt View Post
    However, I strongly feel that the issues raised by this situation will require some modifications to the constitution, in order to provide more orderly transitions and prevent use of anonymous referrals in a petty and vindictive manner. Furthermore, the repeated use of referrals in this fashion, and then using those previous referrals as a basis for a negative judgement should be strongly discouraged.
    You are making a mountain of a molehill. Both Censors voted for further action and both voted for Censure. The Curia was split on the decision. 14-12, so it didn't highlight vindictiveness, but rather an inconsistency of a nebulous concept. It is inappropriate to indict a single person for this issue as you have done. Your argument would have been better served proposing remedy rather than an indictment of a citizen that acted with no fault.

    My only concern is the appearance that I had an issue with staff when I consider myself a strong proponent of the site and those that make it a better place.

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    So the additional charges claim was nonsense.

    Just to be clear.
    Last edited by Halie Satanus; October 22, 2018 at 06:08 PM.

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    Default Re: Vote of No Confidance (VONC) - Hitai de Bodemloze

    Abandoned. Closed and archived.


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