White angry men versus everyone else

[Papay]

So the philosophy of Alt-Right is that they are against minorities, against women, against homosexuals, against white people that vote left. Do you believe that on the long run "white angry man" can win this battle?

[Diocle]

So the philosophy of Alt-Right is that they are against minorities, against women, against homosexuals, against white people that vote left.

Sources?

Do you believe that on the long run "white angry man" can win this battle?

Possibly you've not yet realized it, but they are already winning the battle ..

[Heathen Hammer]

So the philosophy of Islam is that they are against minorities, against women, against homosexuals, against people who don't believe in Islam. Do you believe that on the long run "muslim angry man" can win this battle?

So the philosophy of liberal left is that they are against white people, against men, against heterosexuals, against minorities that vote right. Do you believe that on the long run "leftist angry man" can win this battle?

See, I can make condescending generalizations as well.

[Diamat]

The New Right (I don't like the name "Alt Right" because it is misleading and refers mainly to the Richard Spencer idiot-types) is a direct result of the failures of the left. The left has abandoned common sense and the working masses. I am a former lefty. It's precisely because of the kind of bs the OP is stating that more and more people are leaving the left and joining the new and progressive "Right." At least as a conservative you're allowed to think freely, without being ostracized for your individual views. Conservatives actually enjoy genuine debate. Lefties just yell at you like hysterical women.

[Aexodus]

Do you believe that on the long run "white angry man" can win this battle?

The numerical advantage will certainly help

[Papay]

The numerical advantage will certainly help

There is no numerical advantage here. White angry men are against minorities(black, latinos, muslims), they are against the "feminist" society(in other words they favor a reduction on women rights), they are against homosexual and other "deviant" behaviors and of course they are against white people who vote left. I don't see any numerical advantage here

[Copperknickers II]

So the philosophy of Islam is that they are against minorities, against women, against homosexuals, against people who don't believe in Islam. Do you believe that on the long run "muslim angry man" can win this battle?

You're making an equivalency between 'Muslims' and 'the Alt-Right'. Compare apples with apples please. Wahhabi Islamists would probably pretty much agree with all that, and people do criticise them for it just as they criticise the alt-right.

So the philosophy of liberal left is that they are against white people, against men, against heterosexuals, against minorities that vote right. Do you believe that on the long run "leftist angry man" can win this battle?

A certain faction that I would call the 'alt-left' are indeed all of those things, we've seen black liberal activists call for the death of white people, we've seen extremist LGBT activists and feminists use rhetoric against cisgender heterosexual men that would make Hitler blush. I think most reasonable people are in agreement that anyone who is against someone because of their gender, sexuality, ethnicity, the colour of their skin or their religion is to be condemned.

[Muizer]

Papay, I object against you using the term "angry white men". You ought to say "people whose privilege is under attack"

Anyway, there's very little chance of reactionary movements winning, ever (it's pretty much synonymous with being on the losing side after all). They can do a lot of damage though.

[Aexodus]

Well to be honest I thought this was a pretty silly thread, but...

people whose privilege is under attack

What privilege are ‘white men’ angry about losing exactly? The right to... form a majority demographic?

[sumskilz]

There is no numerical advantage here. White angry men are against minorities(black, latinos, muslims), they are against the "feminist" society(in other words they favor a reduction on women rights), they are against homosexual and other "deviant" behaviors and of course they are against white people who vote left. I don't see any numerical advantage here

I haven't gotten the impression that Blacks, Latinos, and Muslims are particularly in favor of "feminist" society or "deviant" behavior, not more so than white males anyway. Don't let yourself be fooled by current identity coalitions; minorities in Western countries don't tend to vote for left-wing parties out of undying devotion to "progressive" values.

In other words:

[Copperknickers II]

I haven't gotten the impression that Blacks, Latinos, and Muslims are particularly in favor of "feminist" society or "deviant" behavior, not more so than white males anyway. Don't let yourself be fooled by current identity coalitions; minorities in Western countries don't tend to vote for left-wing parties out of undying devotion to "progressive" values.

In other words:

Nevertheless in countries with a two-party system they're not going to start voting for the Right any time soon. This is one of the areas in which there's a big difference though between North America and Europe. In America, your main minorities are African Americans, Hispanics and East Asians. None of which are groups famed for ultra-conservatism. Our main minorities in Europe are MENA, Subsaharan Africans and South Asians who are much more conservative.

Incidentally, if Europe (excluding Russian and Turkish-speaking areas) were a country, its racial demographics would be:

White: 500 million
South Asian: 8 million
MENA: 6.5 million
Black: 6 million
Other Asian: 4 million
Latin American: 2 million

N.B. - that's following the American 'racial' system, so I included ancestrally Indian Gypsy ethnicities as South Asian. 'Blacks' include both Caribbean and true Subsaharan African groups. MENA includes Jews and Christians as well as Muslims.

It's interesting isn't it that the Eurabia crowd tell us that the 'white race' is going extinct in 'Eurabia'. The largest minority group in Europe isn't even Arabs but South Asians, the vast majority of whom are Christian or Hindu rather than Muslim. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Black population overtook the MENA one within 50 years and the East Asian population will continue to rise precipitously too. Muslims (excluding indigenous Muslims like Bosniaks and Turks) are around 3% of the continent's population, that's only a little greater than the proportion of Jews in Europe prior to the Holocaust.

[Prodromos]

I haven't gotten the impression that Blacks, Latinos, and Muslims are particularly in favor of "feminist" society or "deviant" behavior, not more so than white males anyway. Don't let yourself be fooled by current identity coalitions; minorities in Western countries don't tend to vote for left-wing parties out of undying devotion to "progressive" values.

In other words:

Indeed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-1524227082956

But there’s a deeper problem here, a difficulty endemic to today’s secular left: an all-too-frequent weird refusal to acknowledge the demographics of Christianity. When you mock Christians, you’re not mocking who you think you are.

A 2015 Pew Research Center study of race and ethnicity among U.S. religions provides some basic facts. In the first place, if you’re mocking Christians, you’re mostly mocking women, because women are more likely than men to be Christians. The greatest disproportion is found among black Christians, of whom only 41 percent are male. So you’re mocking black women in particular.

Overall, people of color are more likely than whites to be Christians -- and pretty devout Christians at that. Some 83 percent of all black Americans are absolutely certain that God exists. No other group comes close to this figure. Black Christians are far more likely than white Christians (84 percent to 64 percent) to describe religion as very important in their lives. Of all ethnic groups, black Christians are the most likely to attend services, pray frequently and read the Bible regularly. They are also -- here’s the kicker -- most likely to believe that their faith is the place to look for answers to questions about right and wrong. And they are, by large margins, the most likely to believe that the Bible is the literally inerrant word of God. In short, if you find Christian traditionalism creepy, it’s black people you’re talking about.

It’s true that, politically, black Americans are overwhelmingly Democrats, and that’s true of black Christians as well. On the other hand, black Christians tend to be socially conservative: the least tolerant of homosexuality, the most likely to oppose same-sex marriage and the least likely to believe in evolution. 2 If you’re maligning traditional Christianity, the people you’re maligning are disproportionately black.

Nevertheless in countries with a two-party system they're not going to start voting for the Right any time soon. This is one of the areas in which there's a big difference though between North America and Europe. In America, your main minorities are African Americans, Hispanics and East Asians. None of which are groups famed for ultra-conservatism. Our main minorities in Europe are MENA, Subsaharan Africans and South Asians who are much more conservative.

Incidentally, if Europe (excluding Russian and Turkish-speaking areas) were a country, its racial demographics would be:

White: 500 million
South Asian: 8 million
MENA: 6.5 million
Black: 6 million
Other Asian: 4 million
Latin American: 2 million

N.B. - that's following the American 'racial' system, so I included ancestrally Indian Gypsy ethnicities as South Asian. 'Blacks' include both Caribbean and true Subsaharan African groups. MENA includes Jews and Christians as well as Muslims.

It's interesting isn't it that the Eurabia crowd tell us that the 'white race' is going extinct in 'Eurabia'. The largest minority group in Europe isn't even Arabs but South Asians, the vast majority of whom are Christian or Hindu rather than Muslim. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Black population overtook the MENA one within 50 years and the East Asian population will continue to rise precipitously too. Muslims (excluding indigenous Muslims like Bosniaks and Turks) are around 3% of the continent's population, that's only a little greater than the proportion of Jews in Europe prior to the Holocaust.

And this is the best-case scenario:



Break it down by city, though, and you'll find plenty of places where Muslims make up, or will soon make up 50%+ of the population.

One thousand Europeans from 28 EU countries were asked: “How serious a threat to Europe is the rapid population growth of Muslims?”

[Heathen Hammer]

You're making an equivalency between 'Muslims' and 'the Alt-Right'. Compare apples with apples please. Wahhabi Islamists would probably pretty much agree with all that, and people do criticise them for it just as they criticise the alt-right.

Jihadists: "Everyone who doesn't believe in our religion should be either killed or enslaved!"
Alt-right: "We should stop jihadists and get rid of corrupt politicians that help them."
Yeah, totally same thing. /sarcasm

A certain faction that I would call the 'alt-left' are indeed all of those things, we've seen black liberal activists call for the death of white people, we've seen extremist LGBT activists and feminists use rhetoric against cisgender heterosexual men that would make Hitler blush. I think most reasonable people are in agreement that anyone who is against someone because of their gender, sexuality, ethnicity, the colour of their skin or their religion is to be condemned.

But we don't see Western democratic nationalists really be against someone because of above-mentioned factors. Usually accusations of "racism" and "bigotry" stem from alt-right's rather rational stance against things like mass-immigration, organized crime or pedophilia and child abuse.

[Abdülmecid I]

Two brief sentences do not constitute a sufficient basis for discussion and threaten the thread with a quick derailment into flame-war. Closed, pending improvement of the opening post.