On the rebirth of Fascism in European Politics

[Stalins Ghost]

Fascism, and extremist right wing politics should have died in April 1945. And not just died, it should be forever looked upon with hate and contempt by all who share a shred of compassion for their fellow man. The lessons learnt by allowing fascists to gain power threw the world into into a catastrophic war that marked the worst crimes in human history.
It seems however, that despite the wars sobering lessons, hypernationalism still festers in the heart of European politics. Until now, we've been fortunate that the EU regulations for parties has prevented such ignorant politics from gaining a voice and power of any kind, but it would seem that certain nations in Europe have managed to form a union, no matter how small to threaten the EU with radicalism, race hate, homophobia, and all other plethora of general contempt towards anyone who doesn't meet their vision of statehood and nationalism.
Quite simply, as of January 15th, the "Identity, Tradition, Sovereignty" political group scraped together the 20 members needed to form a body within the European Parliament. 20 members you say? 20 members in a body of 785? That can't possibly hurt, can it? I say, yes it can. If you look at the rise of right wing groups during the 20th century, this is simply their way of getting a voice. Once that voice is in place, their message can begin to spread its cancerous hate mongering. So what is their message?

Lets have them speak for themselves!

Corneliu Vadim Tudor - Great Romania Party Leader

The Hungarians, the Gypsies and the Jews have all got the power. Jews are like warts on a mans body

Gee, thanks Corneliu. I'm so glad that I know to look out for those evil conspiring gypsies! The Hungarians? Blatantly he's afraid Atilla is going to pop out of the ground and start plundering. And you can't look like an ignorant bigot without sticking it to the Jews.

Dimitar Stoyanov - A Bulgarian Politician

There are a lot of powerful Jews, with a lot of money, who are paying the media to form the social awareness of the people

Yes! Because nobody else has a lot of money. No-one else takes the liberty of pushing money into the media do day?

Bruno Gollnisch - French National Front Member

I do not deny the existence of deadly gas chambers ... but I think we have to let the historians debate it. As to the way those people died, a debate should take place

I can't help but find it ironic that they are so vehemently against Turkish EU admittance; another country which happens to deny a certain holocaust...

Here's my personal favourite: Alessandra Mussolini - Yes! Related to that Mussolini

I'd rather be a fascist than a faggot!

Could we really expect much better from a relation of Il Duce?

Generally speaking, they support Anti - EU policies, "Christian values", "Family Values", opposition to immigration, and those policies usually considered part and parcel of far-right parties.

Its ironic really that they support a pan-European far right movement, which is in itself a contridiction. The real problem is though, that for one they have gained funding for their activities, and a platform from which to build upon. The EU has to be strong minded against this in reality. The only thing that can come of their continued activity is further progress for the improvement of all of Europe. They are a backward harking back to antiquated politics that sadly still exists in the somewhat deranged minds of hyper nationalists, xenophobes, homophobes and other baseless groups that hold others in contempt for little or no reason.

Some links:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6254945.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6249513.stm#1
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2157360.ece
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,3...106710,00.html

[Armfelt]

Here's my personal favourite: Alessandra Mussolini - Yes! Related to that Mussolini



Could we really expect much better from a relation of Il Duce?

She's hot though... inappropriate picture removed

[eurolord]

Stalin,

Strange you don't mention that communism, both the Russian and Chinese variations are far worse than any fascist government ever was.

I find it strange you never mentioned this in your original post but perhaps your username, which I find personally insulting, is a give away. If you had gone on this forum with a "Hitler" type user name all hell would have broken loose, but you use the name of mass murderer who was far worse than Hitler and nothing is said (except by me).

I joined the British Army in 1974 to defend Europe against communist scum. I have no time for people who are trying to ressurect this corrupt and murderous cause.

Rather strange to see the name of a mass murder on the forums, perhaps you should have picked Charles manson instead.

Eurolord

[Erik]

Strange you don't mention that communism, both the Russian and Chinese variations are far worse than any fascist government ever was.

Funny.
I heard Alessandra Mussolini make the exact same point today on the news.
Is that a coincidence or did you watch it too, and decided to take over her argument?

ps: she is not hot, she is actually a rather ugly bimbo.

[Armfelt]

ps: she is not hot, she is actually a rather ugly bimbo.

STFU n00b, of course she was hot, she's related to Sophia Loren.

[Last Roman]

Stalin,

Strange you don't mention that communism

no, it's not, because communism isn't on the rise. nice attempt to twist the argument though

[Tom Paine]

Ah. That would be discounting the facist government of Hitler then, which murdered at a rate of about 0.5mllion per years (12 years, 6million... oh, was that just Jews, and not everyone else? ah well...) as compared to far lower figures for all other systems. It would also be discounting the racism inherent to the facistic systems, and the facistic parties, as they exist in modern Europe. But ignoring such things means you have a valid point, I guess...

[JP226]

It's funny that an individual name after stalin would see fascisim as bad. After all is Fascisim not communism???? The state is the state in both situations.

[wilpuri]

I wouldn't worry too much about these guys. Its a campaign organization for Le Pen in the coming French election more than anything else.

[RusskiSoldat]

Correction: she was hot back when this Playboy was printed. in 1963

Strange you don't mention that communism, both the Russian and Chinese variations are far worse than any fascist government ever was.

Really?
Granted the Brezhnev administration was fairly corrupt, but the fact that they didn't support world conquest and the systematic extermination of minorities sort of puts them in a better light than, say, Hitler or Mussolini.

[JP226]

no, it's not, because communism isn't on the rise. nice attempt to twist the argument though

are you sure about that??? Go to south America and tell me the commies aren't on the rise. If anything the state's progression towards total control is more successful now than times past.

STFU n00b, of course she was hot, she's related to Sophia Loren.

i didn't know that, that explains the hotness factor

[Syron]

and?

there are many people with far-right views and they are just as much entitled to representation as anyone else.

[Last Roman]

are you sure about that??? Go to south America and tell me the commies aren't on the rise. If anything the state's progression towards total control is more successful now than times past.

I was referring to Europe

As for South America, there is a difference between socialism and communism.

[Tom Paine]

Interesting question. When representing me means not representing someone else and actively denying them the chance to ever be represented (remember, an elected MEP represents all their constituents not just those who vote for them), should I be represented?

[Syron]

Interesting question. When representing me means not representing someone else and actively denying them the chance to ever be represented (remember, an elected MEP represents all their constituents not just those who vote for them), should I be represented?

That is a fallacious argument since left wing representation actively denies others representation too. a Left wing MEP does not support right or far right views despite the fact many of their constituents may hold them. If you deny the far right representation you are no better.

[Erik]

Interesting question. When representing me means not representing someone else and actively denying them the chance to ever be represented (remember, an elected MEP represents all their constituents not just those who vote for them), should I be represented?

You are forgetting that the European Parliament has a proportional representation system.
In the British FPTP system only people who voted for the biggest party get represented, but this is not the case with PR.
Great Britain has 78 MEP's, and as long as the party you voted for got 1/78=1.3% of British votes you are represented.

[Tom Paine]

Please explain how left wing representation denies others representation, bearing in mind the above. I do not deny the far right representation; I am saying should they be represented when that means others are not? Can we expect a BNP member (say) to represent immigrant members of their community? Because that is part of their job, part of their representative function.

[Syron]

Can we expect a BNP member (say) to represent immigrant members of their community? Because that is part of their job, part of their representative function.

Can we expect Ruth Kelly to represent the interests of her gay constituents? The fact is that you can only hold one view on an issue, In fact coming to think about it there's only one thing that me and my MP (who i voted for) agree on! In the end people's views are ignored by the system anyway.

[Tom Paine]

Can we expect Ruth Kelly to represent the interests of her gay constituents? The fact is that you can only hold one view on an issue, In fact coming to think about it there's only one thing that me and my MP (who i voted for) agree on! In the end people's views are ignored by the system anyway.

You mean the communities minister who has presided over the steering through of some incrediby controversial Bills, such as the Equality Act? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6245111.stm)

And while you may disagree with your MP, your views and your interests do not neccessarily coincide; obviously not, in the eyes of your MP. Do not confuse the two, it muddies poltiical discourse on the issue of representation.

[Syron]

You mean the communities minister who has presided over the steering through of some incrediby controversial Bills, such as the Equality Act? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6245111.stm)

and the one ultimately responsible for their dumbing down and delay....

And while you may disagree with your MP, your views and your interests do not neccessarily coincide; obviously not, in the eyes of your MP. Do not confuse the two, it muddies poltiical discourse on the issue of representation.

Then i am not being represented. He has no idea what my "interests" are in the first place. it's just an excuse for those in power to do what the **** they like.