[Citizen] Irontaino (Patron: Elfdude)

**Sir Adrian** · September 28, 2018, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Elfdude

What you're getting at is because I didn't support your candidate you won't support mine. Congratulations on your patronages yet I can't help but feel you're missing the point.

I do not believe in penalizing a candidate because of his patron's

behavior but other people do. I would urge you stop before you do any more damage.

**PikeStance** · September 28, 2018, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Elfdude

What changed?
Right, interpretations which clearly you didn't make on your prior applications. It's cool if you want to be partisan about your rubric but trying to assert that you're using the same metric you would with anyone else is laughable at best.

FYI ad hominem is an argument directed at a person, not an argument directed at the actions of a person. What you do is poisoning the well, why you do it I wouldn't know.

This post here contradicts any poisoning nonsense. You are claiming impartiality, attacking my moral compass. This is, by definition, an attack on the person, and not their argument. Anyway, I am still not getting why I am supposedly impartial. I do not know your client outside of this application and I have "zero" animosity towards you. You obviously have animosity towards me, but that does not mean I have to repay the favor. You can say that this trait is an occupational hazard. Sorry to disappoint.

**Elfdude** · September 28, 2018, 03:37 AM

:facepalm:

You guys are terrible at debating. If all you can do is arbitrarily assert the moral high ground and make a thread about a citizen into a way to sling mud I dont even understand why you bother posting. If my behavior is so self evident obviously that would play out. The reality is that I haven't done anything wrong except defend a candidate from utterly and obviously unfair attempts to derail their applications.

Pointing out here that defending him is my responsibility as the one recognizing him as worthy. I hope we can agree to take this vote as a referendum on our perspectives.

**PikeStance** · September 28, 2018, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Elfdude

You guys are terrible at debating.

I was not debating anything. I simply clarified my position when accused of not being impartial.

**Halie Satanus** · September 28, 2018, 05:39 AM

Enters curia. Steps carefully across glass and stones.

Support.

**StealthFox** · September 28, 2018, 03:52 PM

Support.

**Poach** · September 29, 2018, 02:30 PM

Voted yes without looking at the application at all, because I can.

**♔Greek Strategos♔** · September 29, 2018, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Poach

Voted yes without looking at the application at all, because I can.

That was radical.

**Poach** · September 29, 2018, 05:12 PM

You know it. I'm clearly the only one rebellious enough to do such a thing. Everyone else does their due diligence as their duty as a Citizen requires.

**Acco** · September 29, 2018, 05:31 PM

Support.

**z3n** · September 30, 2018, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Poach

Voted yes without looking at the application at all, because I can.

A pleasure to see you both active again and taking such an interest in the application

Heck I almost feel our little debate was worth it now. Who else can we rouse? Apparently we need more applications like this.

**Poach** · September 30, 2018, 12:48 PM

I don't remember any debate, and I've never not been active: I only post whenever there's an RPG in the Play By Post RPG section I'm interested in, and they're all mainly organised via Discord now. I'm in here because Elfdude sent a PM asking people to vote.