Foretelling the future?

[Zom]

Just out of curiosity, why is there a region in Spain named for Caesar Augustus? He hasn't been born yet.

[Petellius]

Just hasn't been renamed yet, it is what it is called in Attila.

[UMCenturion]

Need a rework of cities for sure. will be working on that in the next few weeks. It just sucks that many of them are not suited for the ancient era.

[Sheridan]

Volunteers?

[Julio-Claudian]

Volunteers?

https://mega.nz/#!fnAynYgJ!-7MbG5Hnt...Ngi1zUD9zcHv78

Did that ages ago. The most immersion breaking ones are renamed. Tried to give them names of towns as close as possible to where they are on the map. Though I had to name Emerita Augusta 'Oppidium' because I couldn't find anything about any settlements in that area and I was tired.

[Sheridan]

https://mega.nz/#!fnAynYgJ!-7MbG5Hnt...Ngi1zUD9zcHv78

Did that ages ago. The most immersion breaking ones are renamed. Tried to give them names of towns as close as possible to where they are on the map. Though I had to name Emerita Augusta 'Oppidium' because I couldn't find anything about any settlements in that area and I was tired.

Thank you! Will include this in the next update with your permission

[texoman81]

There was a settlement at or near Emerita long before the Romans arrived, but no one knowns what it was called or who founded it. There is an area of about 3,800 sq miles (9800 sq km) starting at Emerita and going North where ownership is uncertain and likely fluctuated. Since The Vettones have Emerita, I think the best name for it would be Tamusia. It was a settlement of the Vettones 35 miles (56km) to the NE. Ulaca was the capital but it was 4x further away. Norbabriga was 38 miles to the NNE, but it could belong to the Vettones or Luistania. Tamusia was a mining town that the majority of sources give to the Vettones, although some say Lusitani or even Arevaci so it could have changed hands as well.

Map

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http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e19b/t8wm921a3sx66xbzg.jpg

[Julio-Claudian]

There was a settlement at or near Emerita long before the Romans arrived, but no one knowns what it was called or who founded it. There is an area of about 3,800 sq miles (9800 sq km) starting at Emerita and going North where ownership is uncertain and likely fluctuated. Since The Vettones have Emerita, I think the best name for it would be Tamusia. It was a settlement of the Vettones 35 miles (56km) to the NE. Ulaca was the capital but it was 4x further away. Norbabriga was 38 miles to the NNE, but it could belong to the Vettones or Luistania. Tamusia was a mining town that the majority of sources give to the Vettones, although some say Lusitani or even Arevaci so it could have changed hands as well.

Map

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http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e19b/t8wm921a3sx66xbzg.jpg

Brilliant.
Where is that map from?

[texoman81]

Its a map i'm in the process of making using google earth. Every settlement is tagged with all the info i can find on it. I try to include names in various languages, when it was founded, when possession changed, pop, area, trade goods, history etc. When possible i zoom in to find the actual ruins or go by gps locations online to make the location exact. I'm putting the borders in 280bc, then when i'm finished i'll will make versions for other times. The border are of course approximate at times, but sometimes rivers and other natural feature are given as boundaries. I have finished Italy, 3/4 of the way with Iberia, and have southern gaul connecting them. I have some work done all over the area covered by Hellenistic Total War games though.

for example here is the entry for Augusta Emerita.

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Emerita

Latin: Augusta Emerita named for Augutus and the veterans (emeriti) who were settled here
Greek: Αὐγούστα Ἠμερίτα
Spanish: Merida


on the Anas river. aboundance of coccus(insect from which a scarlet dye was made) and sweet olives
Augustus founded Augusta Emerita after the end of the Cantabrian War for retiring veterans, emeriti. Probably, the city was not a completely new foundation. Archaeologists have found several objects, including a cult wagon made of bronze, that suggest that there was an indigenous settlement on the site of Emerita. It has variously been ascribed to the Vettones, Lusitani,Turduli or Celtic. Given its location along the border between Lusitania and Baetica this is not suprising. Most likley founded by Celtici then conquered by the Lusitani.

ROman settlement founded in 25bc under the name Colonia Iulia Augusta Emerita. The town, which had the rank of colonia, was situated on elevated ground above the plain of the Extremadura, near a crossing of the river Guadiana; the Roman road that passed through the city connected the city to Felicitas Julia Olisippo in the west (modern Lisbon). Another road led to Hispalis in the south and to the gold mines in the northwest of the Iberian Peninsula. Other roads connected the city to Corduba and Toletum.

It soon became one of the largest cities in Hispania, with a territory of some 20.000 square kilometer, to which the emperor Otho added even more in 69 (Tacitus, Histories, 1.78). The city itself must have been very large: it needed no less than three aqueducts and two fora. Augusta Emerita was the capital of the province of Lusitania.

The city became remained important in Late Antiquity, when the cult of Saint Eulalia gained great popularity and Emerita became a center of pilgrimage. Its bishops were among the most important men in the Visigothic kingdom, which succeeded the Roman Empire in the second half of the fifth century. In 666, the city was the site of an ecclesiastical synod.

The site is on the UNESCO list of World Heritage.


A Compendium of Ancient and Modern Geography: principle city of the Celtici
Gazetteer, Prudentius: Vettones
Strabo: Turduli, who definately lived on the right bank and Emerita held land on both sides.
Ptolemy: Lusitani


id 14305
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official name Mérida
country (ISO 3166) ES ES
historical name(s) Emerita Augusta
place type city → Display all
temporal coverage
start date -30
end date 2100
Additional metadata and related external resources
livius ei-er/emerita/emerita_augusta
PECS augusta-emerita
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pleiades 256155
romaq.org 557
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whc 664
wikidata q1583842
wikidata q2700544
wikipedia:es Augusta_Emerita
wikipedia:es Conjunto_arqueológico_de_Mérida
Pelagios annotations
Geometry, additional built-in and external maps

Oh and the OP was asking about Caesar Augustus. The Pre-Roman name was Salduie or Saltuie. Although since that was a Sedetani settlement and wan't as large yet, Ilirta (Ilergetes capital) or Kelse (large settlement held by Sedetani and Ilergetes) might be better options. At some point i'll go back over the names of all the Attila settlements like you did. Will be a lot faster using my map. I've done it for Rome II but don't think i have for Atttila yet since i only played it for a week until AE came out.

[Zom]

I am in awe of the collective knowledge of the contributors here.

[Julio-Claudian]

That is so bloody cool man

[Bohz]

@texoman81 what you are doing is amazing.. Im by no means an historian or an expert in that field, but Im in love with ancient history, in particular the roman period..
I would really like to help you, if Im able to do so..
If you are interested, pls PM me..
Cheers

P.s.
Lately I've started to read again latin text in original language (Im italian and we study latin in high school) and Im finding out so many cool stuff that history book simply neglect to report.. Even translation are often somewhat "free" and focus on catching the sense of author thoughts, and just leave out some interesting details that you can only catch by reading the original text.
I think that could be of some interest for your endeavour purpouse..

[Bohz]

Oh, one more thing..
I dunno if you already know this site, but its very cool and somewhat tries to do what you are doing, at a lesser level of detail..
Its called Geacron and its an interactive historical atlas..
Check it out: http://geacron.com/home-it/?lang=en

[texoman81]

I"m only an amateur historian myself, though i was going to have a history minor before having to drop out for health reason. I have watched documentaries and read books on history since i was a child and done research for fun. I wouldn't mind some help on my project. I'm now mostly focused on AE, but the research for it still goes into my map projects as well. So any progress on it will also be helping AE. I can only read English and a bit of Spanish so i have to rely on google translate. Translations by their very nature are also interpretations so in input coming from different people and languages always offers different perspectives. There is usually one version of history that i find more likely, but i try to record alternate theories as well when they at least seem plausible.

I haven't seen geacron before, but i've seen others that are very similar. There are a couple far better ones that i use more. The Digital Atlas of the Roman Empire (DARE) is my favorite. It is done by Lund University.
The Digital Atlas of Roman and Medival Civilzations (DRMC) from Harvard is also very good.

[Bohz]

Hey man, thnx for the links, pretty neat stuff..
Since you are doing AE oriented researches, and since I base most of my personal research on ancient authors (Polybius, Herodotus, Tucydides and a bit of Titus Livius, even if Ab Urbe condita is not strictly historical), I could help you filling the gaps these authors cover in their works... Polybius, in particular, would be very helpful for Greece, North Africa, Italy and of course Spain (he actually travelled with Scipius Aemilianus and witnessed the fall of Numantia in 134 BC).

What about starting a thread and sharing your amazing job with other fellow history enthusiasts? An open source atlas, if you will...

[texoman81]

I read a lot of the ancient work too. Last year i read Herotodus then started on Livy, but stopped because i went back to Total War and it helps for me to try to stick to one subject at a time. I own many reprint translations and use online sites like attalus, livius, and perseus to read first hand accounts of whatever i'm working on at the time. Its been a lot of Polybius for Pergamon. I've always intended to share when i'm done, just not sure of how yet. I've considered trying to organize others to help speed things along but thus far i've stuck to doing it solo. I don't want to hijack the AE forum with my own project, and its kind of on the side burner for now anyways except as a source for AE work.