Winter battles

**Garnier** · January 15, 2007, 10:33 AM

poll

**Garnier** · November 07, 2007, 11:02 AM

What do people think about the winter battles in this game? (Yes, I know I'm bringing up an old thread, but it's been a year since we had this discussion)

I just released a mod that removes winter from the game, for the 100+ people that don't like it. You can find it here.

**Kahn** · November 07, 2007, 11:04 AM

Why do you hate winters?

**Lost Crusader** · November 07, 2007, 11:44 AM

I can't say that I particularly like, or dislike winter battles. They do bring a diversity to the battlefields, which is a good thing.

There is one situation when I prefer fighting in the winter, and that is forest battle. During the winter, the forest are much less dense, which prevents forest battle to degenerate into total chaos.

Therefore I voted for occasional winter battles.

**miccofl** · November 07, 2007, 11:33 AM

I honestly don't care what season it is for battle although spring and fall might be interesting for a change

**Skibbles** · November 07, 2007, 02:26 PM

Do people not like the color white or something? I didn't think it really had an effect other than the 'bonus' certain troops got in the conditions, whatever it is.

**Garnier** · November 07, 2007, 02:29 PM

They simply don't look as good as summer (all gray and white instead of green and brown), IMO. Also there's no grass, so if you don't have shadows they're really bad looking.

**Kahn** · November 07, 2007, 02:41 PM

Personally, I like the white.

The feeling I get when commanding a snow battle is really amazing. It makes it easier for me to really picture myself being there, being cold, trudging across the tundra. I can picture the howling of the wind, feel the sting of ice on my face and hear the crunching of the snow under all of those feet.

It also raises the stakes (historically speaking) because your chances of living from a wound drop drastically if you take a hit in a freezing environment.

These troops knew the chances, and they marched to battle anyway.

I dunno, I really get into it more in the snow.

**Garnier** · November 07, 2007, 03:07 PM

Hmm, well good for you I guess.

In real life though, almost none of the medieval battles were fought in the snow. It just wasn't a good time for campaigning (harsh weather + little to no forage).

**The Good** · November 07, 2007, 03:14 PM

I voted a long time ago, but I like the winter battles, it adds to the atmosphere of some battles. You may be right about not many battles being fought in winter historically though...By the way, did all the older posts get deleted? Why exactly?

**Garnier** · November 07, 2007, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Lucius Julius

I voted a long time ago, but I like the winter battles, it adds to the atmosphere of some battles. You may be right about not many battles being fought in winter historically though...By the way, did all the older posts get deleted? Why exactly?

No, I moved them to another thread, because I wanted to revive this topic thus keeping the poll statistics, but I didn't want to "dig up an old discussion."

Life isn't always how ya want it

With modding, I can make it how I want it.

**UhOhIt'sAnArrow** · November 07, 2007, 07:22 PM

I think there should be winter battles, why not? Big deal if it doesn't "look as cool". It's winter, it's not going to look as well as Summer.

Life isn't always how ya want it

**AngryTitusPullo** · November 07, 2007, 07:40 PM

I vote occasionally.

**Lord William** · November 07, 2007, 08:16 PM

i enjoy the occasionally scenery change, but i like most my battles to be fought in summer

**Vaxholm** · November 08, 2007, 03:33 AM

Winter battles are a nice change of pace, I think. Still, every other turn is probably not necessary. Too many troops get a bonus for fighting in the snow too. Why would Spanish or Italian troops get this bonus? The Mediterranean doesn't get that much snow. I'd rather see this reserved for northern armies.

**Vor** · November 08, 2007, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Vaxholm

Winter battles are a nice change of pace, I think. Still, every other turn is probably not necessary. Too many troops get a bonus for fighting in the snow too. Why would Spanish or Italian troops get this bonus? The Mediterranean doesn't get that much snow. I'd rather see this reserved for northern armies.

It just means they have light armour and can get around in the snow easier than those in heavy armour. It doesn't mean they are experts in snow fighting.

**Lost Crusader** · November 08, 2007, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Vor

It just means they have light armour and can get around in the snow easier than those in heavy armour. It doesn't mean they are experts in snow fighting.

I don't think that snow bonus has anything to do with the armor, since most (if not all) European heavily armored troops also have it (dismounted feudal knights, armored swordsmen...).

I guess the Europeans get snow and woods bonus, and Easterners get desert bonus, to reflect their native climate.

**loquar** · November 09, 2007, 01:46 AM

If I could vote

I would go for the 1 in 5 option, I am not too keen on the look of snow battles and the blizzards hamper visibility but I do like variation in my campaigns so wouldnt want to get rid of it completely.