Hilariously oversized weapons in 3K - did CA go full fantasy?

[perifanosEllinas]

The 4:13 - 4:16 part of the video reminded me of this classic scene

[Huberto]

Hey CA,

Show us ONE mechanic or feature unique to 3K “classic mode” [crickets]

[druchii7]

Hey CA,

Show us ONE mechanic or feature unique to 3K “classic mode” [crickets]

Escort units for your heroes
Only thing so far

[zoner16]

Hey CA,

Show us ONE mechanic or feature unique to 3K “classic mode” [crickets]

Anything that belongs in Classic mode would almost certainly be just as at home in Romance mode. It's not like the Romance removed parts of how war works.

[Daruwind]

Um what about waiting for more videos from Classic mode maybe? We have ONE video from Romance mode. Everything else is pure speculation but i understand the worries...

[perifanosEllinas]

Um what about waiting for more videos from Classic mode maybe? We have ONE video from Romance mode. Everything else is pure speculation but i understand the worries...

No, we already have two trailers and two videos with gameplay for romance mode (for a total of 4 videos), but 0 for classic mode. That in and by itself is a major red flag for those of us who prefer TW games more realistic, as the romance mode is apparently full fantasy.

[captainkrunch]

My biggest problem with Xu Chu's mace is that it just doesn't look cool. At all. Even from a Romanticized perspective it just looks daft. Even in Dynasty Warriors since the shaft is atleast thick too the huge mace doesn't look THIS bad. But Xu Chu not being as big as an orc, the comically huge head and the realistically thin shaft means it adds up to just looking really dumb. decrease the size of the head by like, I'd say 500% and then we can talk about it being alright but as it stands this thing just looks dumb. I am fine with romanticized weapons and armor for generals, but in other cases they still seem plausible if a bit out of period and overly ornate. This is just wrong.



This is some art I found for a game, not sure which game, but while it still has a fantastical weapon it atleast looks decent. This would be much preferred if they are deadset on giving Xu Chu a mace.

EDIT: Also just in case anyone is worried about Dian Wei dual wielding weapons, unlike near all other portrayals of dual wielding in any media this is actually accurate. Records, not Romance, records Dian Wei as dual wielding shortened Ji halberds. He is one of a few cases in history in which Dual Wielding was actually seemingly a reality, he was presumably Ambidextrous. As long as it's limited to just him it shouldn't be a concern.

[Daruwind]

No, we already have two trailers and two videos with gameplay for romance mode (for a total of 4 videos), but 0 for classic mode. That in and by itself is a major red flag for those of us who prefer TW games more realistic, as the romance mode is apparently full fantasy.

Um what about waiting for more videos from Classic mode maybe?

Aqain, we have 0 literally ZERO videos from Classic mode. Right? Then the second video is the E3 interview with Al Bickham (with oversized club) which is in this case nothing more than showing a few shots. How look some heroes, duels. I don´t call that a gameplay video so for me unless I´m missing another video there is still only one so far. But fair enough, we can say all these fours are about Romance mode which bring us nothing more to the reality how Classic mode will be like...

For me, have all red flags you want. I will raise them after seeing problems in Classic mode videos. Fair enough?

EDIT: And for record, the club looks retarded to me as well even for Romance mode ;-)

EDIT2: I can quite easily look at WH2 with Vortex/Mortal Empires campaigns/modes. Vortex mechanics is for 4 original WH2 races not even TK in Vortex posses it and is ME lesser due to it? No It just play differently..Dwarfs now have ruinic smith co create magic items in WH2 but not in WH1. Or looking now at Sword of Khaine. These things are not in WH1 and it is still pretty damn fantasy game. It is quite possible characters in Classic mode won´t have any items or just regular ones again look at Whs where is a plenty of common items and then some OP character unique items. Again my main point is, we don´t know exactly how and probably many details will change before release...

EDIT3: actually can i get these duels in WH3 pretty please?

[perifanosEllinas]

He doesn't. The Records don't mention any weapon that he used.

The Records of the Three Kingdoms describe Xu Chu carrying a sword in the battle of Tong Pass. (Sanguozhi vol.18)

Anything that belongs in Classic mode would almost certainly be just as at home in Romance mode. It's not like the Romance removed parts of how war works.

Not really. We already know that the romance mode removes at least the bodyguard units and portrays characters fighting in a fantasy style, as "one hero units", something that pretty much never happened in reality. Not even in the heroic era of war (around the Trojan War era) when the duels were the standard way of war.

Aqain, we have 0 literally ZERO videos from Classic mode. Right? Then the second video is the E3 interview with Al Bickham (with oversized club) which is in this case nothing more than showing a few shots. How look some heroes, duels. I don´t call that a gameplay video so for me unless I´m missing another video there is still only one so far. But fair enough, we can say all these fours are about Romance mode which bring us nothing more to the reality how Classic mode will be like...

The video with Al Bickham doesn't just show a few shots, it shows clear gameplay: Lu bu dueling Dian Wei, Lu Bu dueling Xu Chu and Xu Chu charging halberdiers (and throwing them in the air in every direction like Asterix and Obelix throw the Romans, which is why I posted the classic scene above).

For me, have all red flags you want. I will raise them after seeing problems in Classic mode videos. Fair enough?

Well, if the fact that they're lying to us and falsely advertising this as a historical game when it's clearly a fantasy game is not enough of a red flag to you, what else can I say? Do whatever you want, but the truth is right in front of your eyes.

EDIT: And for record, the club looks retarded to me as well even for Romance mode ;-)

I can only agree with that. It looks like a screenshot taken from Dynasty Warriors, not TW.

EDIT2: I can quite easily look at WH2 with Vortex/Mortal Empires campaigns/modes. Vortex mechanics is for 4 original WH2 races not even TK in Vortex posses it and is ME lesser due to it? No It just play differently..Dwarfs now have ruinic smith co create magic items in WH2 but not in WH1. Or looking now at Sword of Khaine. These things are not in WH1 and it is still pretty damn fantasy game. It is quite possible characters in Classic mode won´t have any items or just regular ones again look at Whs where is a plenty of common items and then some OP character unique items. Again my main point is, we don´t know exactly how and probably many details will change before release...

I highly doubt CA will bother to equip characters with different weapons in the two modes. Of course, they're always welcome to pleasantly surprise me, but I won't hold my breath.

EDIT3: actually can i get these duels in WH3 pretty please? +

I would say that's actually quite likely, especially after seeing how excited a lot of people are about the duel mechanic.

[druchii7]

If you develop good features on a game, you want to show them with pride. All announced features are only for romance mode, except for the army composition (that I don't like much).

I'd be more optimisitic if I just read a single feature interesting to me (despite only one is not enough to make me buy a game).

[REhorror]

My biggest problem with the game so far is that the graphics really suck, I don't know if this is early build or something but it looks really low res, and the design sucks. The trailer was so promising but the actual in-game designs are trash, stuff like Kongming and Cao Cao in court robes also really bother me since even Dynasty Warriors put Cao Cao in armor.

The duel system thing is something I have wanted since I first play Medieval 1, face it guys, it's really ing cool to send a champion or someone to duel the other champion so you can have better morale before the fight. I really wouldn't mind that system in Warhammer 3 (and it would fit the lore).

I'm not even interested in classic mode so whatever on the historical accuracy, for me I guess.

[zoner16]

The Records of the Three Kingdoms describe Xu Chu carrying a sword in the battle of Tong Pass. (Sanguozhi vol.18)

I just reread his biography to make sure (translation: http://kongming.net/novel/sgz/xuchu.php), and it doesn't mention any sword, just that he killed the enemy. If you're going by the wikipedia version, it appears to have been mistranslated.

Not really. We already know that the romance mode removes at least the bodyguard units and portrays characters fighting in a fantasy style, as "one hero units", something that pretty much never happened in reality. Not even in the heroic era of war (around the Trojan War era) when the duels were the standard way of war.

Ok, besides the thing they already explicitly told us would be different between the two modes that I would have assumed should have gone without saying, I can't see anything that would belong in the Classic mode that wouldn't belong in the Romance.

The video with Al Bickham doesn't just show a few shots, it shows clear gameplay: Lu bu dueling Dian Wei, Lu Bu dueling Xu Chu and Xu Chu charging halberdiers (and throwing them in the air in every direction like Asterix and Obelix throw the Romans, which is why I posted the classic scene above).

It's the exact same thing they showed the previous day, just with different characters subbed in for Xiahou Dun.

Well, if the fact that they're lying to us and falsely advertising this as a historical game when it's clearly a fantasy game is not enough of a red flag to you, what else can I say? Do whatever you want, but the truth is right in front of your eyes.

If a historical mode exists, its not a pure fantasy game. Even if the Romance mode gets more press coverage, so long as the historical mode is good and reasonably accurate, then it's a historical game too (and it's perfectly capable of being both). If they reveal the historical mode and its about as historical as Rome 1 vanilla, I will agree with you.

[Roma_Victrix]

Just chiming in with my own 2 cents that Xu Chu's "mace" isn't just ridiculous fantasy, it defies all logic and physics. I'm not sure it would even make sense in an alternate universe. Even if some guy as big as the wrestler "Big Show" was able to somehow lift that thing, the pathetically thin wooden shaft would break off immediately. LOL. And he's wielding it with one arm while riding on a horse. Jesus Christ, CA, this is retarded. I somehow get the feeling he will look the same in the supposedly more historically authentic "Classical" mode as well.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

Brawn Strowman could lift it with one arm, but the shaft would still break.^^

[Lionheart11]

Ive been doing martial arts for 30+ years now, particularly Chinese martial arts, none of these weapons in pictures here are legit and one is more Japanese, the kama(sickle), in fact i have never heard of these three characters at all either. General Kwan used a Kwan do, probably one of the more well known Chinese weapons. double single handed maces were a thing but not so much double handed massive maces.

https://www.google.com.au/imgres?img...act=mrc&uact=8

[zoner16]

Ive been doing martial arts for 30+ years now, particularly Chinese martial arts, none of these weapons in pictures here are legit and one is more Japanese, the kama(sickle), in fact i have never heard of these three characters at all either. General Kwan used a Kwan do, probably one of the more well known Chinese weapons. double single handed maces were a thing but not so much double handed massive maces.

https://www.google.com.au/imgres?img...act=mrc&uact=8

Dian Wei's Ji are correct. They're straight from his historical biography in the Records.

Guan Yu hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet. His Guandao was in the original trailer though.

We've discussed Xu Chu ridiculous mace to death already.

Edit: Also, most of the weapons in that image are not from the Han dynasty.

[Daruwind]

Not really. We already know that the romance mode removes at least the bodyguard units and portrays characters fighting in a fantasy style, as "one hero units", something that pretty much never happened in reality. Not even in the heroic era of war (around the Trojan War era) when the duels were the standard way of war.

The video with Al Bickham doesn't just show a few shots, it shows clear gameplay: Lu bu dueling Dian Wei, Lu Bu dueling Xu Chu and Xu Chu charging halberdiers (and throwing them in the air in every direction like Asterix and Obelix throw the Romans, which is why I posted the classic scene above).

Well, if the fact that they're lying to us and falsely advertising this as a historical game when it's clearly a fantasy game is not enough of a red flag to you, what else can I say? Do whatever you want, but the truth is right in front of your eyes.

I highly doubt CA will bother to equip characters with different weapons in the two modes. Of course, they're always welcome to pleasantly surprise me, but I won't hold my breath.

- And where is the problem? The Classic mode will be just the Romance without some un-historical features. Like having tickbox to choose what you want in campaign. Removing unique items, hero generals, duels...Maybe in few itteration we will finally getoption to tick certain aspects like random events, agents,....
- Agree with zoner16 the video is showing only alternation of previous day. All different characters are shown outside city, then short duel combat at city square. It is the same for 3-4 characters,same map.
- Come on, firstly we got trailer announcing the 3k now with E3 it was first time to show some info. They chose to show toys for Romance mode. They lying would be if the Romance mode was the only one. We know there will be Classic mode just don´t have enough info but release is a few months ahead so there is a lot time to got it. IF the game would be release in September 2018 as it was supposed to be, that would be ceratin lack of info..
- We were already told you can loot the unique items if you kill the particular general. That means all generals have the item slots but either there will be only rare unique items (which must be firstly created/equipped by their original unique general in order to be looted for others) or there will be even common items like equip horse for you general, armor, weapon..basically the Warhammer system where you have plenty of items with different value like common,uncommon,rare,legendary...Honestly why CA should think about some crazy new system while all their need is, after battles etc. your characters will be able to receive random items for and in Romance mode there will be special Romance events (aka legendary battles, quests) to obtain these unique items. In Classic mode only those unique things will be switched off, rest is working good.

[KamenLily]

Well, I wouldn't say that they went full fantasy. Dynasty Warriors is full fantasy (Not that it's a bad thing).
So far I haven't seen anyone marching into battle with their trusty bench, boat, siege artillery or magic flying swords.

Speaking of that, they need to partner with Koei and release a DLC with "Dynasty Warriors mode", with all the characters and ridiculous weapons.

[PointOfViewGun]

About a week ago people were whining about how everything was based on the Romance version of events. It turned out they were not bothering to check anything published by the CA unless it was spoon fed to them. I posted the blog from CA explaining the two versions. Now, they whine about how there are no videos specifically for the Classical version. For a game that will be published next year... Sigh...

[tentaku]

Ive been doing martial arts for 30+ years now, particularly Chinese martial arts, none of these weapons in pictures here are legit and one is more Japanese, the kama(sickle), in fact i have never heard of these three characters at all either. General Kwan used a Kwan do, probably one of the more well known Chinese weapons. double single handed maces were a thing but not so much double handed massive maces.

Thank you, I was waiting for someone to mention the dual wield single handed maces. I think they look more Chinesely authentic than the mace on a long stick.

Here is a sample http://cimg.163.com/movie/0409/06/st11.jpg picture: http://cimg.163.com/movie/0409/06/st11.jpg