Suicide Rates in the USA and how this will become political (or Anthony Bourdain dead at 61)

[NorseThing]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html

Another recent suicide of a person of note born in the early 1950's. Kate Spade was another. But the problem is not just notables, but that the rate of suicide is currently climbing. Maybe this is not political (yet).

Suicide is a growing problem in the United States. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a survey Thursday showing suicide rates increased by 25% across the country over nearly two decades ending in 2016. Twenty-five states experienced a rise in suicides by more than 30%, the government report finds.

Please read the full article about Anthony Bourdain at the link.

But in a country that gets excited about school shootings, can suicide not become a political football? I ask because of this article from 2013:

However, church attendance, which is sometimes correlated to political conservatism, was shown to depress suicide rates. The state with the highest suicide rate was Alaska, which is second only to Montana in firearm ownership. Montana, for its part, had the third highest suicide rate in the nation.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...n_3039307.html

And CNN is now publishing opinion pieces related to the recent suicides:

Bourdain's death comes directly after the suicide of Kate Spade, another beloved celebrity and businesswoman, and following news from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that American suicides generally have spiked by 25% since 1999. We all know there's something deeply wrong here, and that we have to do better. Mental health is the foundation of life, and we've got to do everything we can to preserve it.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/opini...vox/index.html

Now this is probably not related to Trump or even Republicans being in control of the US House and Senate, but such comments will probably appear shortly. Just wait.

[The spartan]

Now this is probably not related to Trump or even Republicans being in control of the US House and Senate, but such comments will probably appear shortly. Just wait.

Suicides have been on an upward trend since before Trump ever got into office. US society has often had little interest in suicide unless it involves someone famous, but there isn't a lot of political will around addressing the issue.

[Aexodus]

Suicides have been on an upward trend since before Trump ever got into office.

Indeed

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I think it’s a remarkably good thing if suicide becomes a more major issue. It’s the no.1 killer of young men in The UK at least, and seems to affect white Americans and native Americans at a truly massive rate compared to other groups.

At the very least, as it becomes worse and worse as a societal problem, which sadly is what seems to be what is happening, the more and more people will actually care about and talk about it.

[Love Mountain]

Mmm, ideology may have an effect on suicide rates but I can't see it being too relevant. I think there are bigger factors that control suicide. While suicide is an issue, I'm gonna have to say that it's not the biggest issue facing America, nor will it be in the near future.

[Basil II the B.S]

This guy killed himself?

It doesn't surprise me he did. He's those kind of self-hating (to the point he advocated mass genocide to ''solve racism'') white liberals.

Is it cultural? Probably. He's one of those who's mental meltdown post 2016 elections made him say he'd poison Trump. It's the kind of people that makes me really fearful of what the left is becoming.

[Gaidin]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html

Another recent suicide of a person of note born in the early 1950's. Kate Spade was another. But the problem is not just notables, but that the rate of suicide is currently climbing. Maybe this is not political (yet).

The political will only matters as much as the amount of money the politicians are willing to put toward the solution on a national level. The power of the purse strings matters. Speeches can be made, solutions suggested. But the solutions will cost money.

[NorseThing]

Is suicide going political? Well the media is now reacting differently to reported deaths. No mention of cause or supposed cause on CNN. Quick to post reports before but slow to report after cleans things up nicely.

I also noticed this tidbit on wiki today:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Odell

Now Jackkson Odell is not notable and I do agree that notability is not conferrer due to death, but Jackson Odell was of note and should be in wiki prior to death as well as in IMDB simply because he as recorded, acted, published, etc. Of course he is in IMDB without the deletion attempt -- https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2909628/..._=nm_ov_bio_sm

So is this turning into a political thing for the media? or not yet? If not yet, what will it take to convince members of what our media is doing? Fake news a bit with editorial discretion.

[removeduser_487563287433]

It's clear that we are still developing our medical understanding of mental health. It's clear that our societal attitudes sometimes aggravate these issues. There certainly will be political discussions ahead. There are some very obvious ones, like how 22 American veterans take their lives every day, and how support needs to evolve beyond political soundbites. In the rest of the developed world there will be conversations over how we prioritise health resources to cover this need also.

[Raubritter]

There are some very obvious ones, like how 22 American veterans take their lives every day,

Thats a total claim you got from an ISIS video.

A more recent study, which surveyed 1.3 million veterans who were discharged between 2001 and 2007, found that “Between 2001 and 2009, there were 1650 deployed veterans and 7703 non-deployed veteran deaths. Of those, 351 were suicides among deployed veterans and 1517 were suicides among non-deployed veterans. That means over nine years, there was not quite one veteran suicide a day,” according to the Washington Post.
https://taskandpurpose.com/truth-22-veteran-suicides-day/

[removeduser_487563287433]

Thats a total claim you got from an ISIS video.

Oh stop it you:

https://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/docs...datareport.pdf

[Raubritter]

Oh stop it you:

https://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/docs...datareport.pdf

So then the report is a load of .
You know thats the same Department of Health and Human Services that still works with the Body Mass Index, a 19th century pseudo science which total nonsensical data mining lead to the statistical "Obesity Epidemic"?

You just believe stuff that fits your ideology because you want to believe it and veterans as mental cases fits right in there.

[removeduser_487563287433]

"Hey man you got it from an ISIS video!"

"Here's the relevant US Government report with the statistic."

[Raubritter]

"Hey man you got it from an ISIS video!"

"Here's the relevant US Government report with the statistic."

The report was proven wrong a weak after it was published so its not relevant. It simply doesn't cross your mind to get proof for a story even if its years old when the story itself sounds too good because its according with your ideology. And thats the same reason why this 22 Number is used by the left and also ISIS, because it makes Veterans out to be weak instable mental cases. Same as ISIS did in their clip "bring it on" when they make it out in english what is basicly the same thing as i just described.
There was actual a book writen about this "Stolen Valor" by B. G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley that debunks the myth that vietnam vets are such mental cases who are homeless and how the press created this myth.

[Heathen Hammer]

This guy killed himself?

It doesn't surprise me he did. He's those kind of self-hating (to the point he advocated mass genocide to ''solve racism'') white liberals.

Is it cultural? Probably. He's one of those who's mental meltdown post 2016 elections made him say he'd poison Trump. It's the kind of people that makes me really fearful of what the left is becoming.

People who adhere to such ideas seem to be generally unstable. At least he only offed himself instead of going on a shooting spree at some GOP event.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Nothing taboo for the alt-right to use as a clumsy political football.

[Phier]

Suicides have been on an upward trend since before Trump ever got into office. US society has often had little interest in suicide unless it involves someone famous, but there isn't a lot of political will around addressing the issue.

It was also on the rise since Obama got into office, but hey, whatever you want to do to make a narrative out of it. I'm sure CNN fake news would love that spin.

[Aexodus]

Nothing taboo for the alt-right to use as a clumsy political football.

’In order for Germany to be better, the Jewish race must dissapear’

why is that any different to any other racial group.

[The spartan]

It was also on the rise since Obama got into office, but hey, whatever you want to do to make a narrative out of it. I'm sure CNN fake news would love that spin.

What are you talking about? Suicides have been on the rise since Obama was in office too. I don't think who is president has much to do with the suicide rate.

Were you implying that I was blaming Trump for suicides? You may want to re-read the post again.

[removeduser_487563287433]

’In order for Germany to be better, the Jewish race must dissapear’

why is that any different to any other racial group.

Huh?

[Heathen Hammer]

’In order for Germany to be better, the Jewish race must dissapear’

why is that any different to any other racial group.

"Because white people are evil and all of them responsible for injustices committed 100+ years ago, and if you disagree then you are part of alt-right/Russian conspiracy".