Regions!

[finneys13]

I posted all the Western regions about 2 pages back. I also did about the all west and Britain on my own, so if any questions, just ask.

[finneys13]

That is the proposed map, think the campaign map itself is almost finished, just getting the regions ready to put in.

[Kahju]

Settlement names in brackets. Well, when there are any...

42: Prūsa (Twankste)
43: Sūdavā (Kaukai)
44: Aukstaitija (Kernave)
45: Žemaitėjė (Medvegalis)
46: Kursa (Jurpilis)
47: Zemgale (Daugmale)
48: Sēlija (Selpilis)
49: Latgola (Jersika)
50: Līvõmō (Taara aed)


Maybe some of you Balts could help me out with the missing names?

[Herkus]

Settlement names in brackets. Well, when there are any...

42: Prūsa (Drûsô)
43: Sūdavā (?)
44: ?
45: Žemaitėjė (?)
46: Kursa (?)
47: Zemgale (Daugmale)
48: Sēlija (?)
49: Latgola (Kukenois)


Maybe some of you Balts could help me out with the missing names?

42 Prusa (Twankste - modern Kaliningrad in Sembian peninsula)
43 Suduva (Kaukai)
44 Aukstaitija (Kernave)
45 Zemaitija (Medvegalis)
46 Kursa (Jurpilis - coastal town, modern Liepaja)
47 Zemgale (Daugmale)
48 Selija (Selpilis)
49 Latgola (Jersika)
50 Livimaa (Turaida - I don't know if it is correct Finnic Livonian translation)

[Nibs]

Checking once again that Denmark will not have control over the entirety of Jutland?

[Nibs]

Similarly can Jutland be cut in half, the kingship was established in the south and spread upwards, give the danes the chance to do that

[Dansk viking]

In the Tanmaurk thread we agreed to split Jylland into to (Iutland and Sudr Iutland), and merge Fyn with Iutland (or Sjælland)

see page 18 in this thread.

[Kahju]

I had a look at the Baltic regions, and it seems like Polak gave them ethnonyms instead of proper place names. What is now called Kuršiai, "Curonians", should be called Kuršas, "Curonia", instead.

[Herkus]

I had a look at the Baltic regions, and it seems like Polak gave them ethnonyms instead of proper place names. What is now called Kuršiai, "Curonians", should be called Kuršas, "Curonia", instead.

Calling Curonian people and land in Lithuanian names "Kuršiai" and "Kuršas" might be wrong since Curonian was different language than Lithuanian.
More accurate names can be derived from Latvian language, because Curonia is a province of modern Latvia (whole western Latvia). The correct name for "Curonians" would be "Kursai" while for the land "Curonia" -> "Kursa".

[Kovas]

Yeah, is true that say Herkus. Is more accurate say in Latvian than in Lithuanian, because "Kuršiai" is in Lithuanian

[Kahju]

Okay. I know Curonians had a language of their own, but because Lithuanian is more archaic than Latvian, I thought it best to use Lithuanian names. I stand corrected.

What language should be used for Prussian or Semigallian provinces, then?

[Herkus]

Okay. I know Curonians had a language of their own, but because Lithuanian is more archaic than Latvian, I thought it best to use Lithuanian names. I stand corrected.

What language should be used for Prussian or Semigallian provinces, then?

Well Latvian and Lithuanian languages are more closer to each other than any of them to Curonian. The thing is that Baltic languages divided in two branches - West Baltic (Prussian, Curonian, Sudovian) and East Baltic (Latgallian, Selonian, Semigallian, Samogitian, Lithuanian) which were quite different to each other.
Anyway the whole Lithuanian isn't more archaic than Latvian, just certain features are, but thats not the point actually.

For Prussian province = Prussia (Prusa), Prussians (Prusai).
Semigallian province = Semigallia (Zemgale), Semigallians (Zemgali)

[Kahju]

Okay, thanks.

Some of the names I used are a bit different compared to the ones you gave. That's because they are reconstructions of the ancient native name, or they are taken from a dialect that is supposed to be closer to the ancient language. Please correct me if they are wrong, though.
Here's the new list (incl. Livonia):





42: Prūsa (Drûsô)
43: Sūdavā (Kaukai)
44: Aukstaitija (Kernave)
45: Žemaitėjė (Medvegalis)
46: Kursa (Jurpilis)
47: Zemgale (Daugmale)
48: Sēlija (Selpilis)
49: Latgola (Jersika)
50: Līvõmō (Taara aed)

[Kovas]

The region number 44 is Higher Lithuania, but I think is better to put this name in Lithuanian: "aukstaitija". Or simply "Lietuviai" (Lithuanians), because is also correct name. And the capital of this region was "Kernave".

The capital of number 43, Sudava can be "Kaukai".

And the capital of region number 45, Žemaitėjė can be "Medvegalis", "Satrija" or "Bubiai".

The capital of Selija (48) I think can be "Jersika" or "Selpilis".

The capital of Curonians(46) I think can be "Kuldiga", "Lagzdine", "Palanga" or "Apuole".

[Kovas]

I think that now the list is good

[Kahju]

I'm glad to hear that.

So, we are fine about replacing Lithuania with Curonians, then? Antagonist wanted to hear some weighty arguments, but if you agree with me, I doubt we'll need them.

[mocker]

If the Lithuanians were "discovered" by (other )European cultures after the time of our setting, why would they conquer Europe in our setting?

Clearly Lithuania has no place here.

[Kahju]

Seriously, someone should gather all boundary changes, region names and everything else that has been made. This is starting to be confusing: I have reworked Baltics and Estonia, Shaba Wangy has reworked Iberia and France, and no-one really knows what the whole thing actually looks like.

[Rayoken]

Number 42 - Prussia should be with Truso capital. Tuwangste was a small village in those times, while Truso was most significant in that area, an important trade center and baltic port.
I would also split 18 into West Prussia (or Kaszuby) with Gdansk and East Pomerania with Kolobrzeg. Similar 16: on the left West Grater Poland with Poznan (Posen), on the right East Grater Poland with Gniezno (both very important Polan's centres).

You could also create Chelmno Province between 18, 42, 12 and 16, if you hasn't reached the limit yet.

[Kahju]

Kraah! Drûsô is what I had in there originally!

I have no idea about the province limit, but I think we have already met that.