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    (Diplomacy, RP done with ArBo's permission and by his knowledge shared)


    As the first Carthaginian envoy arrived at Antioch after months of the voyage, a surprise awaited them. The city now was in Ptolemaic Egypt's hands. The gates were opened for them, but watchful eyes shadowed them as they went through the streets. The Palace was barred from them and it seemed they have to turn back in the next they. However, just before midnight, there was a silent knocking on the doors of their quarters. As it turns out, resistance was still heavy in the city. The leader of this resistance, a past royal guard in the palace, has lead the small envoy out of the city into the midst of night. Then he gave them horses and told them to go to Tarsus. The last city near Syria holding out against Egypt...
    There, the local governor told them what happened, however, it's not the conquest of Antioch that was the interesting part. And word went around quickly. Soon, friendly merchants brought back the news: The Seleucid Empire have been betrayed.


    Great leaders of the world! I, The Great Suffet of Carthago wish to give my message to you yet again! Once, I told you about conquers of the East, a nation greedy enough to think of its culture as someone else's and to claim all of Anatolia for itself... And you didn't believe me. Now, I have proof that you should have! My merchants and envoys brought me news from the Seleucid Empire, our friends, and allies, that they have been betrayed!
    Through them, it has come to my attention, that a Non-Aggression Pact existed between the Seleucids and Armenians. The exact terms are unknown, however, it was agreed that a certain amount of gold would be paid to the Armenians. A fair deal by all means. The Seleucid Empire, due to having its diplomats being close to Egypt because of the war was busy, so they asked the Armenians to come to Sardis for their gold. After, the Seleucids sent an expedition into past Parthian lands, only for them to be warned by close Armenian units to turn back as the territories are theirs. And the Seleucids, even with money and time spent on this expedition turned back!
    And yet, when Armenia went to war, their ruler claimed the opposite: That the Seleucids were deliberately marching on lands they claimed, and they would not pay the gold agreed upon...
    But then, why wouldn't they negotiate if they feel they were cheated? Why could horse archers capture Hatra, a settlement miles away from any Armenian city?


    The Armenians are warmongers, and cannot be trusted. Heed my words! Do not make deals with the Armenians...



    In the meantime, the Carthagian Empire ever grows stronger... Undoubtedly, the Western Mediterranean is ours. Our military efficiently kills African, Barbarian, and Greek rebels alike. Our elephants break down walls and gates like they are made of feather, not wood, stone or iron. Our merchants bring all the luxuries in the world to Carthago, and they make us rich. And now, a new union in the Iberian Penisula has been created with the alliance of Spain, and Carthage. They are our brothers from now on, and we are ready to fight a common enemy if one arises...



    (picture is from last turn, as I forgot to upload it)




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    And some rule business:

    Even excluding myself, 10 out of 11 people has supported the rule: - Every diplomat can only make 1 bribe per turn. " (~91%) So it will be implemented.

    However, 3 people has opposed the rule that bribed units and agents shall not move for a turn, so while there is still a clear majority, I want to have further discussion about this with those people. A possible compromise is that only bribed units can't move for a turn.

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    I dont view armies/agents bribed not being allowed to be move as any different than the defeated army rule. It's solely to give everybody the same opportunities, so that people earlier in turn whom already have an advantage - cannot also move bribed things as opposed to those later in turn, whom have the things they bribe usually be out of movement points.

    So as a defeated army by a player later in turn cannot move after defeat whilst somebody earlier in turn can and this not get stunloked, a bribe by somebody early in turn can move thins whilst those late find all things to already have moved. A needless advantage separate from faction, units and strategies.

    It has nothing to do with player skill, faction or situation - it's solely an unintended impairment from the limitations of the game.



    Armenia is not blind to how our actions will be perceived, God has shown all that evil runs down the heart of every living thing. We are not blameless in this, but the treaty with us has not been honored and is thus moot. It is by our goodwill we have allowed Selucia one last chance, which seem to not have been taken. We've sought to avoid war even as we spilled the blood of their people - as we took their lands to compensate for what was promised.

    We will however not tolerate some vile Carthaginians to deign speaking of their behalf, we deal with Selucia or not at all.
    Should any man of Carthage enter our lands, they shall be dragged to the darkest pit and pinned by many arrows.

    You are not welcome, fiend.
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    Germania up!

    Took a roman fort in the alpes with a spy... http://www.mediafire.com/view/7lsyf8...29191927_1.jpg
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    Iceni up!
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    Armenia up!


    The tribes of Britannia for now made a friendly agreements with the tribes of Galatia. May the peace last forever between our tribes for now.
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    Dacia is up.



    The line between good and evil runs down every heart.

    Selucid has refused to talk with us, instead we suffer insult upon insult by Carthage whom use the once great setrapy as a puppet.
    Furthermore, we have been informed that they have given up their lands for peace - Egypt standing down as we stand to be invaded.

    Let there be war between Armenia and Carthago, to whatever end.
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    Great pace! The rep shall flow keep it up.



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    I'll have it up tomorrow.

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    Got my turn but I request a extension of a extra day to do my turn , as I have a important decision to make and perhaps some additional diplomacy may be required...[if that is ok with the admin?]
    "War is the continuation of politics by other means." - Carl von Clausewitz


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    It's bad to slow everything down for diplomacy, it's supposed to be reserved for RL or other delays - aside admin related work nothing should require extension.

    Admin is free to disagree and rule as they will however, I urge you not to delay.
    That said, extension asked should generally be granted in any case^^,
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    Extension granted. Even if it slows the game by a day, I'd much rather people take their time to complete the turn as they will, and who knows how the diplomacy may affect the turn. Plus, an extension asked for is an extension granted, I much prefer to see people say they'll be late than just be late
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    The greek city states were worried at the latest developments of diplomacy, as the Egyptians had made some-sort of deal with the Seleucids cementing there apparent ceasefire on the lebanon coastline, this combined with the war starting between Armenia and the Seleucid empire made the greeks worry about whether or not to join the struggle against the Seleucids Empire, as the Egyptians had threatened counter measures if their deal was disrupted by a attack. Likewise a carthagian diplomat again threatened the Greek's, if the peace deal was not interfered with by the greeks, then things would be fine , otherwise they would face a warlike intent from the carthagians , responding to such actions if their will was not enacted upon.

    Diplomat's went back and forth as the greeks rapidly hoped for some-sort of deal that would escape this problem, but little was achieved , other than the receving of threats and the greeks were expected to comply.But the main problem for the greek's was that the Seleucids had made a coastal fort with a significant garrison , which the people of Rhodes saw as a possible threat. With peace with Egypt , the Seleucids might be thinking of opening a second front , to secure there coastline and this was not a threat , the people of Rhodes were willing to live under.



    As greeks do, when threatened with a problem of some weight , all the main leaders of each city state meet in a forum , with some of the foremost enlightened thinkers and speakers of the day. Debate went back and forth , but in the end , the matter really came down to one point , of whether the Seleucids force was a threat , and whether it could be left alone , and to rely on the Seleucids not to attack. With the attack of Syracuse still foremost in there minds , they looked to the Spartan King , who prevaricated, and said he would put it to the priests at the Temple of Zeus , of what to do, whilst holding another religious festival in Sparta itself to buy himself time.



    But that night there was a mighty earthquake , some said that Zeus himself had awaken , and damaged his own temple at the weakness of his own chosen people. The priests said that Zeus himself was unhappy but wouldn't give a reason why , just saying perhaps it would be better to delay a decision, where-as others and the Spartan king , took the sign as that the peoples of Greece , shouldn't waste time , when the answer was obvious of what to do, when a greek city was threatened. With grudging annoyance , the Spartan king , managed to get a slight majority of greek peoples to agree with his arguments and messages were sent out to the people of Rhodes .

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    Back at the Island of Rhodes , they received the news with nod's of approval , as was not there most precious symbol , the Collosus of Rhodes made from the melted down metal from the massive siege engine the Seleucid's had previously built to conquer there city. It had stood then , and it should stand now[the city] , particularly if the Seleucid's were battered down , to more manageable levels. Preparations were made , and hoplites boarded the biremes, to sail to the nearby Seleucid coastline , were spies where sent into the enemy camp , so that when the time came ,they were ready to open the gates, to the fort, and the attack would begin.

    The attack came early in the morning where the spies nailed open the gates, and left the fort, in a great panic. Woken by the noise, the Seleucid garrison quickly responded blocking all four of the gates, but in there haste , they made one error. One of the gates, was defended by a company of archers rather than the feared pikemen, and Memnon of Sparta who commanded the Rhodes garrisons forces, gave a great cry in delight at his fortune, and lead his cavalry into a mighty charge into their ranks. The archers, only armied with bows and daggers ,only got one volley off before the heavy cavalry of the greek bodyguard bared down on them , smashing into there ranks.


    [pic over charge over the gate to the fort, with collosus in background if you can see it ]

    Over half of the archers had been cutdown for little cost , when they routed heading towards the centre of the camp , and Alexander, the Seleucid factor heir reacted to the danger, sallying out from his position in the centre of the fort, trying to engage the greek cavalry but only succeeding in capturing a few of the tail-enders, before they pulled back to the safety of the pikesquare in the centre. But the sally of the Seleucid bodyguard had given Memnon a idea to try, when next there was opportunity. He did not have long to wait , as the archer remnants returned, to be charged again by the greek leader, who swung his sword in glee , and killing such dishonourable foes, to shoot from afar, rather than the skill of hand to hand. Looking up he saw the Seleucid leader, react with his cavalry , and seeing the archers break again, with barely any survivors he rode {Memnon}towards his approaching militia hoplite's , marching towards the gate ,in formation with there spears down. It was close , as a few Seleucid cavalry men , made contact with the spear's, engaging in combat , just as the enemy bodyguard were about to retreat , and seeing his fellow companions in danger and not wishing to desert them, Alexander rode back with his men , into the trap of hoplites the greeks had made.



    But still the valiant Seleucid heir wouldn't fall, indeed his cavalry continued to push the hoplites formation back , and another hoplite company fell on its rear, with some effort as the Seleucid bodyguards fought on. Time was running out , and it looked as if the Alexander would lead his cavalry to victory over one of the hoplite formations until Memnon risked a charge of his own, on the enemy bodyguard, turning the tide. Alexander lived as his father knew he would , sword in hand , slaying hoplites from horseback , until pressed from all sides, somebody felled his horse, and he fell, with the hoplite formation moving over him trampling him to death.



    The rest of the battle went smoothly as one after another, Levy pikemen was isolated and hit from multiple angles with militia hoplites surrounded them , and breaking their morale and will to fight. First one , then another were broken, until only two pikemen formations remained in the centre of the square and they wouldn't budge. Alexander had trained these Phalanx formations well and there was no give in them . Surrounding them from all sides , and trying to trick them didn't work as they just stood resolute in the face of far greater numbers, and little could be done. Eventually the greeks committed one weakened hoplite luring one of the formations out , which was surrounded. Likewise the other was surrounded in the square from three sides, and began to loose men rapidly. But one of the formation [the one lured out refused to break], even long after the other had been destroyed.



    With numbers low in the militia hoplites , morale was starting the break and still the last unit would not fall, and Memnon began to worry, at last committing his own bodyguard to bring down the Seleucid hero's, who fought there hearts out. Charge after charge , Memnon enacted, and only on the fourth one, did the pikemen finally break , raising there pikes to show there defeat. The hoplites all gave a mighty shout and cheer, but Memnon and his 2 last bodyguard's, their clothes stained red with blood from friends and enemies, didn't find the last battle , something to cheer about, with such losses and only the safety of Rhodes , made him momentary happy. To celebrate the victory , nine of the hoplites were given horses, from the left-over Seleucid bodyguard [which still wandered the field, those that survived there riders], and found themselves selected as companions for Memnons bodyguard , as the weary hoplites withdrew from the fort, to head for home...



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    The greek diplomat tried to seal a "alliance" with the Armenia force, but he was waved away from the commander, as being to "beneath" him to deal with. The diplomat bristled at such actions ,but stood aside , to let the Armenian past, at least for now, as he waved his diplomatic papers in the air in objection.

    Turn to Spain
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    I might need an extension. Having busy days related to university.

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    All alone
    Do you know what it's like to hold a throne
    In a kingdom of despair?
    Quote Originally Posted by paladinbob123 View Post
    The greek diplomat tried to seal a "alliance" with the Armenia force, but he was waved away from the commander, as being to "beneath" him to deal with. The diplomat bristled at such actions ,but stood aside , to let the Armenian past, at least for now, as he waved his diplomatic papers in the air in objection.
    I crashed and burned
    Turned to stone by a lesson learned
    But I'm about to clear the air
    Forget about the words I said
    They were just the voices in my head
    I don't have to listen to them anymore


    It seem, a camp guard had the wrong idea. Understandable considering the many new warriors and the fact that we've been trespassing your lands to reach the Selucids before they strike us. Many are not favorable towards you hellenese people, but we shall remedy the situation and apologize for all of this.

    Indeed, with your actions at Halicarnassus and brave stance against the three most powerful factions of the world - you are owed it.

    I gave into a darker side
    But now I've got nothing left to hide
    I'll crash and rebuild the world before
    I declared war




    Armenia have long claimed the whole of Anatolia - we do so still, however: We've been very clear with the Greeks that we seek to take it by peaceful means and are honor bound to honor the pact. They have not violated our terms and thus, neither can we. We seek peace and stability for our peoples as well as theirs, to bring down those whom would subjugate either of us.

    It's never been
    My goal to see you through the end
    But I'm going to try and change


    It is in such spirits, on such grounds we have pledged to help defend the Greeks against Rome and Carthage. For they have demanded little or nothing of us, as such we demand little or nothing to aid them. A thousand men under the command of Aramu shall be readied and set sail with our fleet to give aid. It may not be an alliance, true - but the Greeks cannot be left to stand alone.

    I think I've found
    The strength to turn my life around
    Perhaps this monster can be tamed


    Lastly, we once again thank you for making peace with Macedon. We've known their brave warriors, their conquest and rule - our hearts cry out for their plight. But our hands are bound by promises, our fingers not to be roused to the flight of arrows. Thus, a vast shipment of Gold is being readied to provide aid. Refuge to be given within our lands to those whom will not fight, furthermore - we will safeguard Byzantium and keep it out of the fighting.

    And I
    Confess
    There's times I feel it burning in my chest
    My soul
    Designed
    For something darker than sublime


    Armenia is going to war.

    I can't
    Resist
    Visiting the victims death has kissed
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    Macedonia up. Sorry for no RP, unfortunately I do not have time and there isn't any big event yet.


    Simple battles and an assassination:
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    Egypt up
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    Peace in the East! After a long fought war, the once mighty Seleucid Empire and the Ptolmeic Kingdom have reached a just and fruitful peace deal. After the capture of Antioch last season, with our forces outside the gates of Tarsus and Palmyra, we were approached by a Seleucid diplomat. Our first reaction was to immediately dismiss him, for what could he offer that we could not take with iron and blood? However what he offered was the remnants of his once mighty empire, all his lands in the East, for he had no hope of holding them against rebellion and the approaching Armenian forces. All he wanted in return was peace, in order to regroup his dispersed army and not have to fight on two fronts.

    This offer pleased our great Pharaoh. We accepted these terms as they were laid out, but when the Greeks decided to attack the Seleucids in Anatolia, unprovoked I may add, our peace deal was put in jeopardy. Even after our pleas to them to hold off on any attacks against the Seleucids while we were in peace discussions, they decided to go through with their unprovoked attack earning them the animosity of much of the civilized world.

    Thus our diplomats were forced to reconvene in order to set new terms to our deal as the destruction of the Seleucid army in Anatolia made our previous deal impossible. After hours of discussion, our two empires who have been at war for years, have finally reached a deal that will result in peace. On top of our previous deal, we were made to cede Dumatha because the actions of the Greeks worried the Seleucids about their ability to survive.

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    With this large territorial gain, our mighty Pharaoh issues a decree establishing the Egyptian Empire with its capital at Jerusalem. Our empire now stretches from Libya in the west through the Levant to Mesopotamia in the East.

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    With peace at hand our armies and fleets have been instructed to stand down. With all of our initial territorial asperations completed, our empire wishes to establish trade and warm relations with all our neighbors. Although the Greek actions resulted in additional diplomatic pains to our empire, we were in the end able to get a deal that pleased both sides. We are willing to put aside past animosities and would welcome trade.
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    This is faction suicide and I do not think it should not be allowed.

    The fact you're giving him a corner region of nothing demonstrates you know this and are doing it anyway.
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