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    Quote Originally Posted by CommodusIV View Post
    I know you're out to get the staff on this site and that they've burned you to the degree a fair shake doesn't even come to mind, but this statement clearly indicates you don't know how sites and advertising works. Maybe I can give you an oversimplified example, and you can quit it with this line of nonsense.

    Advertisers have a pool of ads. It's a big, big ing pool. Active site administrators cannot check everything. Questionably active site administrators can't even come close. In addition, the pool changes frequently as new ads come along. Now consider that, if there are multiple advertisers, there are multiple pools, and many of these pools aren't even visible to others because they are a 'targeted advertising' pool. Google ads operate beyond the jurisdiction of the site and can pick up on browsing history totally unrelated to TWC, and serve ads accordingly. Just because you a) got unlucky or b) watch your porn on a google account with wide open cookies and no perception of opt-out or adblock does not mean GED should be responsible to hunt down exactly what you see on your screen. In most cases, members have to report specific instances, at which point the site administrators need to contact the advertisers and have a chat with them about the pools they're using to get rid of the one ad out of thousands or more. What Ged sees is not exactly what you see, not even close.

    The process changes site by site, but the above is pretty typical for how the internet works.

    As for the specific claims that Jadli forced hotseats to run off the site, there was no 'force' involved that I saw even once. Most of the cases I observed (the rest I simply didn't care to watch) there was a short discussion, and then the players agreed to play elsewhere. It was pretty damn simple. The hotseat is the game, not the forum. I can, and have, played perfectly good hotseats straight over Discord private messages. I'm doing it at the moment. In that time, it was a simple agreement. In the game I was most vested in, it was a short message to everyone "want to play here, or play where the admin is". The players quite democratically decided to move.

    Those who did not move/play expressed their opinions. The hotseats were not going to suddenly move back because a minority of players in those games were dissenting against the majority.

    I'd like to see proper evidence of force being involved, because without it, just sounds like the typical dramatic rah-rah that has been splattered across the thread so far. A lot of huff and a lot of puff without much blow.
    And now it's your turn.

    I'm not out to "get" anybody here, let alone the staff. I actually respect most of them but one has acted like a coward and that person's name is Hader.

    I know enough about advertising on the internet. I keep my gaming identity and my business identity completely seperate on the internet. You cannot connect one to the other. My business website does not have ads because it is there for people to buy from me. But I advertise elsewhere so I need to know about SEO and adrates and all the little things you seem to think you know about more than me. Every website owner can control whose ads are placed on their site, even Google's ad service.

    I use AdblockerPlus when surfing. This place (TWC) was always whitelisted because I understand GED's need to make money and I ignore ads anyway. Now, this site is no longer whitelisted and he will make no money off my visits.

    Now, as to the games that were moved offsite. I was on Jadli's site many times, always lurking, never registared. I saw that he stole artwork to use on his site without giving credit to the creators. That alone should have kept him banned from here. I expressed that opinion in the GS forums. And since I was GS I had access to everything Jadli did here and it only proved how much of a liar he is. Statement of fact, not opinion. He could have kept his forum going but he couldn't afford it. He needed to be allowed back here. GED needed games here for the "eyeballs" but since Hader would not come to a decision on the important stuff we talked about. Plans were being made for bigger more important games than the Jadli moved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadli View Post
    Is that not obvious? You have been a GS for 2-3 months, no? As far as I know, the only thing you did in that period was that you made only a post or two related to hotseats, perhaps even less, didnt participate in any HS nor as player nor as admin, maybe sent some PMs to Hader as you say. While others, like Athelstan have been hard working to make things work in General Section... I dont really know what do you need them to eplain to you... Inactivity is one of the most usual reasons people are kicked from GS (or at least used to be, considering the recent events)...

    But I assume you know that (just like everyone else), just trying to make a ruckus out there... Or do you believe you contributions in that time period were adequate of a GS?

    Lifthrasir's few posts have been more relevant than anything you have said so far, so on the contrary I would like to ask you to stop posting here (if you want some PM from Hader/hex you probably should message them. Similarily, your issues with adds can be hardly solved in this thread), unless you actually have something relevant, assuming it will be posted in some level headed manner...
    I was GS from beginning 2013 to end of 2015. I only came back when I saw YOU were GONE. I have no intention of playing in any hotseat that uses a vanilla Kingdoms set or a crap mod like THE ELDER SCROLLS BY JADLI. your work was last yeat and I told you so. No, none of the games interested me as a player or admin,

    Athelstan did 5 whole minutes of work by un-archiving threads. I spent more time removing Mith's neo-Nazi post and explaining things to him.

    I looked in on every thread, every day in general and since there where no problems there was nothing more for me to do. GS do not interfere in games unless there are problems in the forum threads. In game problems are for that games admin to resolve, not GS. When we were ready for a GS medal game I was already ahead of the rest.
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    I guess my opinion on the drama at hand is that ppl should be allowed to admin a hot seat so long as they are competent at doing so. And having one primary admin per hotseat should solve most issues. Increase local autonomy/ hot seat rights!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Cannon View Post
    I spent more time removing Mith's neo-Nazi post and explaining things to him.
    You did no such thing, this is the relevant video which I believe is the one thing you've moderated of mine and it's the opposite of nazi ( it's a black anti-identitarian...)
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    So take that quite serious and nonsensical accusation back Loose.

    Otherwise, you've been around and helping (inc me) forever - I second your post.
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    I find it funny that you obtained the admin passwords for general, and moved all the games over to Jadli's site. However you insist nobody was forced, well i see at as you guys said join the forum and continue the game or stay in TWC, to me that's being led on A.K.A FORCED. Funny how one minute Jadli is harassing people, but then he has the audacity to become a "white knight", representing the community, and "knowing whats best for it" even though he will never lead it and is the sole reason why there is such division. #GetMadYouDidItFirst
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Cannon View Post
    I'm not out to "get" anybody here, let alone the staff. I actually respect most of them but one has acted like a coward and that person's name is Hader..
    ......and loose cannon previous quote which I recorded from page 1 [before it was deleted] was "And my opinion of Jadli was formed last year. He can only be described as a troublemaker, liar, and fraud. I left here then because of him and only came back because he was gone".... which is rather a ironic thing to say about someone considering his [loose's] behaviour in this forum


    So loose cannon has a prescribed hate of jadli for over a year...but he "actually" respects most of them....except now for Hader as well...

    To be honest...loose's opinion's seem to vary from day to day..on who is the main bogeyman but I imagine, he and his other supporters are entirely blameless[in his opinion]

    Its just a travesty now, and I am not going to discuss anything anymore with people , who [shrugs] have a predeveloped, longstanding bias ,which doesn't add anything to the situation and does not wish to actually make constructive criticism...rather than making a show and dance about things...although I am somewhat relieved his posts , at least now are without the larger text and pics he had on the first few [which were removed]

    I hope loose can goto this new site and use his abundant energy , raging at all who will listen , but I for one , are done with his raging
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    Quote Originally Posted by paladinbob123 View Post
    ......and loose cannon previous quote which I recorded from page 1 [before it was deleted] was "And my opinion of Jadli was formed last year. He can only be described as a troublemaker, liar, and fraud. I left here then because of him and only came back because he was gone"..


    So loose cannon has a prescribed hate of jadli for over a year...but he "actually" respects most of them....except now for Hader as well...

    To be honest...loose's opinion's seem to vary from day to day..on who is the main bogeyman but I imagine, he and other his supports are entirely blameless[in his opinion]

    Its just a travesty now, and I am not going to discuss anything anymore with people , who [shrugs] have a predeveloped, longstanding bias ,which doesn't aid anything to the situation and does not wish to actually make constructive criticism...rather than making a show and dance about things...although I am somewhat relieved his posts , at least now are without the larger text and pics he had on the first few [which were removed]

    I hope loose can goto this new site with and use his energy , raging at all who will listen , but I for one , are done with his raging
    PLEASE TRY AND PAY Jadli is not STAFF. My opinion of him has not changed since last June. My preference is to ignore him. I only reply to him when he calls me out.

    My problem with staff is specifically with Hader. He did nothing when the time was to do something. He says nothing to the people he should have been speaking to and then he comes in and posts drival.

    I don't have any bogeymen because they're all dead.

    I post large when I want someone's attention. He did not reply. Just had Lifthasir do his little job And I'll rage at you whenever you post , too, Bobby
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    And I apologize to Mithridate for calling his video Neo-Nazi. I caught more from TPTB than any man deserves for moderating you when as a moderator I should have reported you to a nothermoderator.

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    Appreciated, I fixed my post to underline your contributions in the past here - on and off staff.
    You've been around forever, Jadli is young to me and you're ancient compared to me.

    Reason: Derogatory remarks removed.

    I had nothing to do with that much as I was very insulted by the very insulting thing you said towards me.
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    Can we make some kind of a hotseat mudpit for stuff like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Cannon View Post
    I looked in on every thread, every day in general and since there where no problems there was nothing more for me to do. GS do not interfere in games unless there are problems in the forum threads. In game problems are for that games admin to resolve, not GS. When we were ready for a GS medal game I was already ahead of the rest.
    With a position like this I’m not sure how you decide to follow soul and para to their new “forum”. Actions like these and other blatant abuses of power are the foundational reasons we split off in the first-place. Quite frankly they had a history of intervening and enforcing their opinions where it didn’t belong and if you think that will change then you will be sorely disappointed loose. Para and soul were and still are hell-bent on achieving total authoritative power and when they finally got the no to their excessive demands they took flight and rage-quit, Citing feeling personally dishonored and creating an either you over me entirely or you are forever against me mentality.

    also to clarify for those that don’t understand. Jadli did not force nor manipulate others to join the new forum. It was a community decision to move. All hot seats that had an overwhelming majority vote to move (which almost all of them did!!) voluntarily got new accounts and moved to the new forums. For those that complain the hotseat should have stayed on TWC and be finished there.... Well as far as I see all hot seats on the old forum moved back here and are being played through as we speak
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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Dawn View Post
    Noone was forced to go to Seven Reals, all games hosted by members (staff and non staff) that went to SR didn't move their games.
    Jadli on the other hand forced people to come over. I didn't want to join his forum so I just got kicked from those hotseats.
    That is quite a differnce in attitude/ not wanting to hurt TWC on purpose/ blackmailing TWC
    I never accused forcing of members there, only the methods of advertising, including taking over the steam group and plastering the link all over that as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Parafix View Post


    I will enjoy watching you appointing those into GS who we know you'll appoint, no matter the time frame, you can almost sense their giddiness, at which point you would of lost all credibility.

    Have fun with that then.


    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Cannon View Post
    I know you see my deleted posts here why haven't you replied? You are you.


    Why would anyone care to be GS here where the Admin won't support GS. If your job here is too tough you can resign from HEX and go about other business.


    And do you know how I know the Head of Moderation threatened some People at Seven Realms? He has the same avatar I have but hasn't added the David Mamet quote yet because a better place deserves better than the crap people receive over here? I am so glad I never took up the people who wanted to offer me Citizen-ship status here.


    And I'm still waiting for your reply from 2 months ago. Because you are you. Stop being scared, man up!
    Yes, I am me. How astute of you.


    I will reply to your deleted posts in PM, as replying here where others can't see deleted posts starts going off topic. And I think this thread already has had enough uneeded ToS issues.


    I don't know what reply you're speaking of, as I see it the last PMs or thread discussions I had with you were replied to accordingly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jadli View Post
    Some important matters I would like to have more specific answers from Hader for: (tho, most of them on similar maters)


    1) It may look to you the staff is running smothly, not needing more people.
    We will be working on staff, don't worry.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jadli View Post
    2) I cant help but feel I see a contradiction here
    Continuing to draw strict parallels and differences between now and then, this person and that person, etc., needs to stop (and this goes for everyone not just you). The situation has changed a lot over the past few months as has the approach towards it, and obviously nothing has gone swimmingly for anyone involved. I will consider members, whether for staff or whatever the hell else, on a case by case basis.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jadli View Post
    3) Already talked about that several times, but little has changed. The new admin cap (10 for GS, 5 for non GS)
    If it is reworked, it will be when the current staff is ready to.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jadli View Post
    4) Could you make a very specific examples of what the GS can or cannot do without your consent (especially to the GS), as I am getting a bit tired of for example when I ask Athelstan something, than having to go to you to ask if that can be done, and then telling him it can be done, so he does it....
    That happened once, and either way it is a staff issue, I don't disagree that clarification was needed for him but we'll leave it at the staff level to decide, clarify, and go from there.


    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Cannon View Post
    It's GED's website and Squid should be among (if not) the highest paid people employed by GED here. It's their (but primarily GED's) responsibility to know what goes on here.
    This is a business and the owner runs it like nothing.

    Believe me, I literally don't get paid enough to be doing all this right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Cannon View Post
    Now since Hader is Hex Council and you are only a Global Moderator that makes him your boss, just like he was mine when I was Gaming Staff. I asked you to help me because he would not reply to me. I thought you were important. You're not and that's why you want me to ask other people (Flinn & m_1512).
    Lif is a moderator, and if you can believe it, that puts him in the moderation branch of staff. He is also a content director, which by extension puts him into the content branch. Tango and lolisuck are the hex in charge of moderation. m1512 and Flinn are the hex in charge of content. I am the hex in charge of gaming staff. Hence, I am not, strictly speaking, his boss.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Cannon View Post
    See, when I create a thread I don't hide away. I observe it and reply to anyone even people who challange me. I actually prefer challanges. I don't run and hide from my threads or comments. Now go back to your boss and ask him to act like a man. That's a straight fact, not a"fancy interpretation, and it is your job.

    If you can't do that then stick to moderating and stop posting in this thread. Your opinions are not relevant.
    I apologize I don't have all the time in the world such as yourself to man up in threads all day long, but I'll work towards it I assure you. Been one of my lifelong dreams, to be manly on an internet forum.

    You could do without bashing our moderators anymore though. For if it wasn't for the fact you have played hotseats here in the past, I think any passerby would see your comments and opnions here just as useless too.


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    @everyone, I will still answer what I can, though this thread could do with a lot less throwing of feces. This thread is already evidence enough of the inability to be objective and understanding by too many people. I did not expect this thread to be a walk in the park when opened but not every other post should be pushing multiple ToS violations. The point of this thread is transparancy, clarification and a place for your questions, if you are coming in here with a viewpoint that you have no intent on changing in any way then you're contributing nothing to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hader View Post
    I will reply to your deleted posts in PM, as replying here where others can't see deleted posts starts going off topic. And I think this thread already has had enough uneeded ToS issues.
    It's been over 12 hours. Where is this PM you speak so highly of? Are you an even worse typist than I am?

    I don't know what reply you're speaking of, as I see it the last PMs or thread discussions I had with you were replied to accordingly.


    Believe me, I literally don't get paid enough to be doing all this right now.
    If they pay you zero you are being paid too much. You didn't reply to my first post in this thread. In fact you haven't replied at all. You needed Liffy to reply for you.

    Lif is a moderator, and if you can believe it, that puts him in the moderation branch of staff. He is also a content director, which by extension puts him into the content branch. Tango and lolisuck are the hex in charge of moderation. m1512 and Flinn are the hex in charge of content. I am the hex in charge of gaming staff. Hence, I am not, strictly speaking, his boss.
    If Liffy is Content Director and he said that we Gaming Staff were Content Staff does that actually put him in charge of GS? If so, then there is no need for you to even have a job here.

    And this statement by you proves that the rules and FAQs listed under the tabs at the top of every page are incorrect! Even the people in charge can't follow the rules & ToS

    YOU WERE THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE TO TELL ME WHY i WAS REMOVED FROM GAMING STAFF. I SHOULD NOT HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT FROM A VISITOR TO THIS FORUM. YOU APPOINTED ME, YOU REMOVED ME, YOU OWE ME THE REASON. PUT THAT IN THAT PM YOU ARE CLAIMING TO SEND ME.

    I apologize I don't have all the time in the world such as yourself to man up in threads all day long, but I'll work towards it I assure you. Been one of my lifelong dreams, to be manly on an internet forum.

    You could do without bashing our moderators anymore though. For if it wasn't for the fact you have played hotseats here in the past, I think any passerby would see your comments and opnions here just as useless too.
    Reading comprehension is one of your problems, I see. Where exactly did I "bash" one of the OTHER moderators? I had to re-read my posts here just now and as I thought I only "bashed" you. You deserve what I give you.

    And the point you have proven is that you are not a man. Just a statement of fact.


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    @everyone, I will still answer what I can, though this thread could do with a lot less throwing of feces. This thread is already evidence enough of the inability to be objective and understanding by too many people. I did not expect this thread to be a walk in the park when opened but not every other post should be pushing multiple ToS violations. The point of this thread is transparancy, clarification and a place for your questions, if you are coming in here with a viewpoint that you have no intent on changing in any way then you're contributing nothing to this.
    TRANSPARENCY?? You can't even use spellchecker to spell it right! I intend to change my viewpoint when you give me reason to change. NOW MAN UP AND SEND THAT PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Cannon View Post
    YOU WERE THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE TO TELL ME WHY i WAS REMOVED FROM GAMING STAFF. I SHOULD NOT HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT FROM A VISITOR TO THIS FORUM. YOU APPOINTED ME, YOU REMOVED ME, YOU OWE ME THE REASON. PUT THAT IN THAT PM YOU ARE CLAIMING TO SEND ME.
    The reason probably lies somewhere in this quote alone.
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    It doesn't matter how many times the people who left with jadli say they weren't forced, people just keep lying about it. I was in the discord channel when the split started. People talked for hours and the majority of people in several hotseats wanted to leave twc. this conversation can't go anywhere when people refuse to acknowledge basic facts.

    and this "be a man" is childish as hell, if you can't talk about your issues on a video game forum w/o losing your head, the issue is prob you

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    @ Loose Cannon, risking to provide kindle again (but considering the posts of the member who said that, I still have a lot to catch up), I suggest you to read this page. It should help you to understand how the site works as you seem confused regarding the site departments and ranks.

    @ Mithridate, I have the same right as any other member of this site to post in this thread, without considering all the signatures and banners I've done for the Hotseats and even if it displeases you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifthrasir View Post
    @ Mithridate, I have the same right as any other member of this site to post in this thread, without considering all the signatures and banners I've done for the Hotseats and even if it displeases you.
    Entirely irrelevant to what I said to you, I'm saying that you should stay out of this - especially if you've got nothing of worth to say. Even your comment to me is prodding for a reaction ( "got a lot to catch up to" in case it's unclear ), entirely counter-productive to what Hader is trying to do here.

    A mild version but example of the core reason why things have gone as they have here imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridate View Post
    entirely counter-productive to what Hader is trying to do here.
    Enlighten us, what is Hader trying to do here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowcow View Post
    It doesn't matter how many times the people who left with jadli say they weren't forced, people just keep lying about it. I was in the discord channel when the split started. People talked for hours and the majority of people in several hotseats wanted to leave twc. this conversation can't go anywhere when people refuse to acknowledge basic facts.
    So if the majority wanted to leave, keyword, wanted, to leave, then how is that evidence of force?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridate View Post
    Entirely irrelevant to what I said to you, I'm saying that you should stay out of this - especially if you've got nothing of worth to say. Even your comment to me is prodding for a reaction ( "got a lot to catch up to" in case it's unclear ), entirely counter-productive to what Hader is trying to do here.
    I don't see how your posts have any more value to the thread than Lift's, mine, or anybody else in this thread. Why should he specifically stay out? What do you have to say that's worth more than what he has to say, and for that matter, why is everyone else's position so far more important than his own interjections?
    With great power, comes great chonky dragons to feed enemies of the state. --Targaryens?
    Spoiler for wait what dragons?



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    Default Re: Where now are the horse and the rider...

    I'm saying that people were not forced to leave

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