We Chinese extends our thanks...

[sephodwyrm]

To several countries. All Muslim. Btw, we do love our Muslim brothers. We are just anti-secessionist. It has nothing to do with Islam. In fact, we are about as happy to kick Tibetan Lama rearends if they tried to do anything.

1. Afghanistan
Belgrade embassy bombing + spy plane incident had the US breath down our necks. We Chinese are technically shivering and crossing our fingers. We are NEXT! The nationa rhetoric of the US of A was: "Dude, the USSR is gone. Next will be the PRC!" The first thing they did was support a secessionist island (place of my citizenship btw) and said:
CHINA IS OUR GREATEST ENEMY (diplomatically of course)
And at the same time supported the Empire of Japan, I mean, Japan and Hangook militarily in an effort to surround and block off China. Our Chinese leaders made overseas trip to prostitute ourselves like a whore laying on her back with legs spread. Just don't come in too hard, PLEASE!!
However, the Taliban and the small terrorist club known only as Al Qaeda helped us out of this deep ****. Their overly-brave and zealous warriors, in the doctrien known as unconventional warfare, smashed American passenger planes into the Trade Center, killing about 300 Muslims and 200 Chinese Americans as well. But hey, it worked. The US of A declared a War on Terror. If it never happened, there would be a War on China.

Chinese must thank the Afghans and their Taliban overlords to relieve that pressure. Dude, it even legitimizes our once illegal occupation of Xinjiang and the efficient + brutal crackdown of terrorist wannabes.

2. Iraq
Chinese must also thank the Presidential Diktatorship of Iraq. Without which nearly 0.15 million US troops would not be occupied. The Amerikaners want a war, but the Americans don't want a war. While their nation is rather divided the cult leader of Amerika received a message from Allah and said:
"I shall strike at the infidels...
Because God told me so."
Hence, the CHI-nese draw the conclusion that the state of Iraq has caused delusion within the leading body of the Amerikanisch. The Americans are completely DOMINATED. China would have a peaceful rise.

All thanks to Iraq, that diktator and his lack of WMDs.
Did I say lack of WMDs?
Yes. Because Iraq had none! If the Iraqis had decent WMDs, they would probably not have been invaded. Instead, there would be several hundred thousand US troops stationed in Taiwan and South Korea just to KICK OUR REAREND and SODOMIZE US!

China extends thanks to the nation of Iraq for dying in our place.
We have WMDs, but we are too chicken to use them.

3. Saudi Arabia
Without Saudi Arabia, there would be no extremist Islam. Without extremist Islam, there would be no war on Terror. Without War on Terror, there would be several hundred thousand US troops and several carrier groups ready to demolish the entire coastline of China if we tried to do anything adventurous.

The Chinese extend their thanks to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and for their extremism. Can you imagine life without Islamic Extremism?
It would be "DA THREAT FROM DA RED CHI-NESE" 24/7.
Either that, or "JANET JACKSON's TITS!"

4. Iran
I am fair. Muslim don't just mean Sunni. They include the Shia as well. Persia, a great land with a history as long as our own, deserves greatest attention. Ever since they adopted their Shia-ness-ness-ness (can't think of a better word), they have been going pretty well, got invaded several times by Tsarist Russia and the Empire of Great Buriten as well as their Muslim counterparts the Osmanli Padishah-ate.

And after seeing a US supported coup against da secularist Mossadegh (who has to be overthrown because he is a secularist) the US backed Shah came to the throne to reign the glorious Persian Empire. Even better, the Iranians decided that Secularism is not going to defeat da US empire. So they adopted the Islamic Revolution!!!

Long live the Islamic Revolution!
Now they are enriching Uranium.
Maybe with our help. I don't really know. Our government is too opaque to see through. But this definitely would extend the...
"WAR ON ISLAMO-FASCISM"
Go Islamo-Fascism. Without you we would never have been able to sell countless weapons and get some cheap money out of you TERRORISING SOLDIERS of the Coalition and the IDF.
Someday we will learn from you, because terrorising soldiers is "technically impossible" since I thought its the drill sergeants that do it.

5. Pakistan
Can't leave out the good ol' Pakistanis. These are good friends. I mean, dude, they would have been part of India if the policies after the bloodless Indian Independence had been a lot better, and same goes for Bangladesh. But of course, that was history. Islamo-fascism has to be blamed for that.
In fact, after the war of 1962 with India, China was feeling uneasy.
I mean, dude, despite the treat against nuclear proliferation, India gets free nuclear techs.
So in comes the good ol' Pakistan.
A Presidential Diktatorship ruled by a military general that has unlimited terms and collaborative military projects with us. Now India has two fronts to worry about - da Tibetan front, and the aggressive Pakistani front.

And Pakistan is just next to Afghanistan.
And for some reason they also receive US help.
SWEET!
China extends thanks to the brothers in Pakistan for keeping India edgy and not supporting Tibetan independence with the fervor they should have.

6. Muslims in general
Without the extremist Muslims, the Chinese rise to super-power status will be impossible. In fact, we are now a collaborative partner in the WAR ON ISLAMO-FASCISM.

But truth is, we Chinese know that when you drink water, you should think of where it came from. Our good ol' clean water comes from Muslims in general, and the reason is that they're simply being Muslims and the extremists are simply being extremists. The extremists in China used to be CIA trained. But now, we have all the legitimacy to rub these wannabes.

Go CHINA!
And GO ISLAMO-FASCISM! Continue your bloody endeavor of diverting the US attention from us! (Sorry you're getting raped in our -place)

[VALIS]

umm......ok

America and China need each other.They are each others biggest traders in terms of imports and exports.Without each other both countries would be considerably worse off.

America attacking China would make no sense economically,politically and militarily.
Any attack would fail regardless.

You are paranoid.

[Angmar_nite]

I'm Chinese and support Tibetan and Taiwanese independence... That is the point of this convo right?
And what the ****? China is hardly a proper communism anymore... And previous poster has it right. Also do you support terrorism?

[PacSubCom]

Go Islamo-Fascism! Or wait, that doesn't exist...anyway, you never attack someone who can fight back, that's the golden rule of war. Ergo the US will never attack you. Or wait, they are already doing so. The Iraq war was a strike on a resource region that is vital for the Chinese economy. (And every body else's too of course).

In turn, China supports Iran, the last oil country that's not in the US pocket, and starts to make overtures to Saudi Arabia.

This is the information age. There is nothing the Yanks could do that could possible disturb the serenity of the dragon. He smiles at them, feeling neither ire nor fear. Their days are counted.

[sephodwyrm]

America attacking China would make no sense economically,politically and militarily.
Any attack would fail regardless.

You are paranoid.

Lol.
The most paranoid people calls me paranoid.
I'm Muslim and I see tonnes of <<Islam = Evil>> websites, threads and how peope can get away with saying <<Muslims are rapists>> and somehow I am not supposed to feel threatened. Wait, I am supposed to be a rapist, right?

In any case, without all that hype on the War on Islamo-Fascism, China and the US would have drifted to more antagonistic positions. But fortunately for Islamo Fascism, it has brought us together. It is already common knowledge that insurgents are being supported by Russian and Chinese armanents. You know whats a War by Proxy? This is it.

As a good Chinese that know who to thank I am still thanking the War on Terror, only because it diverts resources that would be used AGAINST us to an even more devastated community, namely, the MUSLIMS.

Hence, the Amerikaners, the religious right, can only bully the poor, the needy and the ignorant. They don't have the American balls to go against the real challenge, namely, the Empire of China. Seriously, we are going to rule you guys, one day.

Also do you support terrorism?

I support terrorism against an occupation force.
I do not support terrorism against civilians.

[jankren]

Lol.
I'm Muslim and I see tonnes of <<Islam = Evil>> websites, threads and how peope can get away with saying <<Muslims are rapists>> and somehow I am not supposed to feel threatened. Wait, I am supposed to be a rapist, right?

Are you Chinese Uighur Muslim?

[Aristophanes]

Some people seem to have an almost unimaginable ability to provoke nausea...

Not only do we see sephodwyrm's true colours, they're nailed firmly to the mast.

[Last Roman]

Seriously, we are going to rule you guys, one day.

that's too good. While China will most likely surpass the US as the economic power of the world, China will never "rule" us either militarily or economically. We will simply go from China to India. Without American money flowing in, China's economy will hurt real bad. Real economic power isn't in the hands of the suppliers, but of the consumers.

[Lasher]

We Chinese extends our thanks...

I love how you can speak for over 1.3 billion people. What is that like?

Hence, the Amerikaners, the religious right, can only bully the poor, the needy and the ignorant. They don't have the American balls to go against the real challenge, namely, the Empire of China. Seriously, we are going to rule you guys, one day.

Yes nuclear power vs nuclear power sounds good.

[Tom Paine]

Yes nuclear power vs nuclear power sounds good.

It kept both powers from war in the Cold War, except in surrogate battles.

[Oldgamer]

Hence, the Amerikaners, the religious right, can only bully the poor, the needy and the ignorant. They don't have the American balls to go against the real challenge, namely, the Empire of China. Seriously, we are going to rule you guys, one day.

Do you seriously wish to rule us, one day? And if so, why?

I've done so much bullying of the poor, the needy, and the ignorant, lately. As an Amerikaner of the religious right, I live to bully the poor, the needy, and the ignorant.

By the way, do you have the "balls" to go up against the United States? I don't even see you reclaiming the independent nation of China, Taiwan. If you don't have the cojones to go against Taiwan, whatever makes you think that the great Empire of China would ever take on its greatest trading partner, the United States of America?

Of course, we can play these childish wordgames all day and all night. However, China and the US need each other, and war between us will very likely end up in a nuclear exchange that China will get the worst of, by a large margin. Is it your wish to live in a nuclear wasteland?

Or was your thread a simple troll?

[plaidwarrior101]

You just opened up a huge can of worms buddy.
If you watch/get battlestar galactica (pretty cool show you see how the terrorist line gets blrry and grey. China cool i've been there
As to the post about superpowers and hyperpowers by Setanta intersting point
The only difference is that this would be a economy war (thinks Tom Clancy Debt of Honor)

[sephodwyrm]

Are you Chinese Uighur Muslim?

I am a Han Chinese convert.
And technically speaking, these are my exact credentials according to the racist Taiwanese government (that of Republic of China).

1. My maternal side is entirely Hakka, considered Bensheng (or locals). By Bensheng they mean Chinese that came over before 1949. If you came over in 1949, you technically belong to another "Race" called the Waisheng.

By Hakka it represents a group of Chinese that originally came from Northern China but moved south into Guangxi, Guangdong and Fujian, and where they were treated badly and ostracized from better paying businesses. The Hakka get plots of land on the hillside instead of the river valleys and had to live in fortresses like these:


A lot of them were involved in the Great Christian Revolt of the Heavenly Kingdom in 1850s to 1860s where tens of millions died. The baddest and meanest of them that managed to survive went to Taiwan. Taiwan was a border patch of an island where all the badasses and street toughs go. Hakkas fit right in, along with the Hokkien, Teochew and other assorted southern Chinese toughs.

2. My father, who was born in Taiwan, had parents that came to Taiwan in 1949. Hence he was classified as another race, known as the "Waisheng", meaning outsider. His parents were extremely devout Christians. He memorized the Bible, and bashes religion on an hourly basis.

But according to the Taiwanese classification, I am technically "Waisheng" even though both my parents were born in Taiwan, and half of my grandparents were Bensheng. Even better, because my father's father is from Henan, I am technically Henan-nese or whatever you call that.

I was Christian for 8 years, technically was saved at the age of 12.
It was great, I give it that. I read the Bible daily when I went to secondary school (which was a Christian school as well). We had Bible lessons every Wednesday, btw. I was a top scorer.

But reading the Bible for 5 years seriously made me think about things, and superbly intense debates with my father. He owned the arguments. I give it that, he's brilliant. He still keeps a copy of the Bible around just to attack it. He's the Christian version of Robert Spencer. He probably should write a book. But he is more interested in dyeing than dying. Oh, did I tell you that he coverted as well?

Still, this fact still rings true.
The peaceful and less obstacle-intensive path in the rise of China has a lot to attribute to rise of Muslim extremism, and only because its Muslim extremism against the US that led to the War on Terror. Islamic Terrorism in China is classified as Freedom Fighting, and the East Turkestani terrorists were trained and supplied by the CIA in the 1980s. Its interesting to see how China gets the thing straightened out with the legitimizing of....

THE WAR ON ISLAMO-FASCISM

[Kretchfoop]

Uh... ok? Do you really think this or is this some sort of troll? The United States would most definatly not be bombing the coastlines of China with aircraft carriers right now if it was not for the "War on Terror". You are way off about US public opinion prior to 9/11. China was not considered the sort of dangerous, looming threat that the USSR was during the Cold War. Yeah obviously it was rightly considered to be the biggest threat to the US but so was the UK after WWI. Certainly doesn't make you our mortal enemy. Also I don't understand you're fascination with "Amerikaners". Are they suppose to be American ultra-nationalists or something? If that's the case then you sound like the Chinese equivalent. You seem to be getting some sort of perverse pleasure in the rise of China to superpower status. Honestly it doesn't sound like you even know anything about US-China relations over the past decade or so.

[sephodwyrm]

Real economic power isn't in the hands of the suppliers, but of the consumers.

That's right.
Which is why China is shifting form an export oriented economy to one driven by native consumption.
And if the US doesn't want to buy the thing, who cares.
Someone will be buying it.

So anyway, we will rule, thanks to the war on Islamo-Fascism.

[Last Roman]

That's right.
Which is why China is shifting form an export oriented economy to one driven by native consumption.
And if the US doesn't want to buy the thing, who cares.
Someone will be buying it.

So anyway, we will rule, thanks to the war on Islamo-Fascism.

But the average Chinese cant buy what the average American buys. And no one will buy from China as large of quantity that America does (you think an Italian is gonna buy clothes made in China?)

Like I said, I'm not doubting China's economic prowess, but it won't be the superpower America was. Why? Because America took over when all other superpowers were gone and the USSR was in shambles. China will have to compete with not only America, but a growing EU and India.

[sephodwyrm]

But the average Chinese cant buy what the average American buys. And no one will buy from China as large of quantity that America does (you think an Italian is gonna buy clothes made in China?)

Yes, an Italian is going to buy clothes made in China because its simply cheaper. If Americans are doing it (and they have higher GDP per capita compared to Italy), I don't see why Italians aren't. In fact, there were tarriffs considered in Europe and a few anti-Chinese riots simply because Chinese exports are destroying local industries.

Another thing about the Chinese export is that its usually an outsourcing enterprise doing the export. Things in the US are still expensive despite being made in China, Philippines or Vietnam because these enterprises and corporations are obsessed with profit. The way they increased profit is not through increasing sales per say, but in reducing the amount of input capital.

Rising EU and India?
Gimme a break.
The Chinese benefit too much from Islamo-Fascism, so much more than India and EU. India and EU are getting hit by Islamo-Fascism. In case you wonder, why aren't the Muslims causing much trouble in China?
1. Our government keeps it down, I guess
2. Chinese are way too non-chalant about religion, which makes Muslims feel more comfortable for some reason
3. You do not see any Chinese websites with these profiles:
- jihadwatch
- christianaction
- dhimmihood
- general anti-Islamic rhetoric
To do so would mean imprisonment for inciting civil disorder
4. And neither do you have websites that goes:
- jihadaction
- death to infidels
- I hate XXX
Simply because doing so would mean imprisonment for inciting civil disorder

[Last Roman]

Rising EU and India?
Gimme a break.

it's true. not as fast as China, granted, but still true enough.

[hsimoorb]

And here I thought Iran was the only country profiting from our war on terror. Bummer.

[Sétanta]

I don't know why we keep doing business with China. All they do is make stuff cheaply for us, thats about it. Nobody in China with half a brain thinks that they can take the United States, hell I doubt the PRC could take RoC.