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    ALL presidents, Republican and Democrat, seek to remake their party in their own image. Donald Trump has been more successful than most. From the start, the voters he mesmerised in the campaign embraced him more fervently than congressional Republicans were ready to admit. After 15 months in power, as our briefing explains, he has taken ownership of their party. It is an extraordinary achievement from a man who had never lived in Washington, DC, never held public office, who boasted of groping women and who, as recently as 2014, was a donor to the hated Democrats.

    The organising principle of Mr Trump’s Republican Party is loyalty. Not, as with the best presidents, loyalty to an ideal, a vision or a legislative programme, but to just one man—Donald J. Trump—and to the prejudice and rage which consume the voter base that, on occasion, even he struggles to control. In America that is unprecedented and it is dangerous.

    Already, some of our Republican readers will be rolling their eyes. They will say that our criticism reveals more about us and our supposed elitism than it does about Mr Trump. But we are not talking here about the policies of Mr Trump’s administration, a few of which we support, many of which we do not and all of which should be debated on their merits. The bigger, more urgent concern is Mr Trump’s temperament and style of government. Submissive loyalty to one man and the rage he both feeds off and incites is a threat to the shining democracy that the world has often taken as its example.

    Not what, but how

    Mr Trump’s takeover has its roots in the take-no-prisoners tribalism that gripped American politics long before he became president. And in the past the Oval Office has occasionally belonged to narcissists some of whom lied, seduced, bullied or undermined presidential norms. But none has behaved quite as blatantly as Mr Trump.

    At the heart of his system of power is his contempt for the truth. In a memoir published this week (see Lexington) James Comey, whom Mr Trump fired as director of the FBI, laments “the lying about all things, large and small, in service to some code of loyalty that put the organisation above morality and above the truth”. Mr Trump does not—perhaps cannot—distinguish between facts and falsehoods. As a businessman and on the campaign he behaved as if the truth was whatever he could get away with. And, as president, Mr Trump surely believes that his power means he can get away with a great deal.

    When power dominates truth, criticism becomes betrayal. Critics cannot appeal to neutral facts and remain loyal, because facts are not neutral. As Hannah Arendt wrote of the 1920s and 1930s, any statement of fact becomes a question of motive. Thus, when H.R. McMaster, a former national security adviser, said (uncontroversially) that Russia had interfered in the election campaign, Mr Trump heard his words as unforgivably hostile. Soon after, he was sacked.
    The cult of loyalty to Mr Trump and his base affects government in three ways. First, policymaking suffers as, instead of a coherent programme, America undergoes government by impulse—anger, nativism, mercantilism—beyond the reach of empirical argument. Mr Trump’s first year has included accomplishments: the passage of a big tax cut, a regulatory rollback and the appointment of conservative judges. But most of his policymaking is marked by chaos rather than purpose. He was against the Trans-Pacific trade deal, then for it, then against it again; for gun control, then for arming teachers instead.

    Second, the conventions that buttress the constitution’s limits on the president have fallen victim to Mr Trump’s careless selfishness. David Frum, once a speechwriter for George W. Bush, lists some he has broken (and how long they have been observed): a refusal to disclose his tax return (since Gerald Ford), ignoring conflict-of-interest rules (Richard Nixon), running a business for profit (Lyndon Johnson), appointing relatives to senior posts in the administration (John F. Kennedy) and family enrichment by patronage (Ulysses S. Grant).

    And third, Mr Trump paints those who stand in his way not as opponents, but as wicked or corrupt or traitors. Mr Trump and his base divide Republicans into good people who support him and bad people who do not—one reason why a record 40 congressional Republicans, including the House Speaker, Paul Ryan, will not seek re-election. The media that are for him are zealous loyalists; those that are not are branded enemies of the people. He has cast judicial investigations by Robert Mueller into his commercial and political links with Russia as a “deep-state” conspiracy. Mr Trump is reportedly toying with firing Mr Mueller or his boss in the Department of Justice. Yet, if a president cannot be investigated without it being counted as treason then, like a king, he is above the law.

    The best rebuke to Mr Trump’s solipsism would be Republican defeat at the ballot box, starting with November’s mid-term elections. That may yet come to pass. But Mr Trump’s Republican base, stirred up by his loyal media, shows no sign of going soft. Polls suggest that its members overwhelmingly believe the president over Mr Comey. For them, criticism from the establishment is proof he must be doing something right.

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    But responsibility also falls to Republicans who know that Mr Trump is bad for America and the world. They feel pinned down, because they cannot win elections without Mr Trump’s base but, equally, they cannot begin to attempt to prise Mr Trump and his base apart without being branded traitors.

    Such Republicans need to reflect on how speaking up will bear on their legacy. Mindful of their party’s future, they should remember that America’s growing racial diversity means that nativism will eventually lead to the electoral wilderness. And, for the sake of their country, they need to bring in a bill to protect Mr Mueller’s investigation from sabotage. If loyalty to Mr Trump grants him impunity, who knows where he will venture? Speaking to the Constitutional Convention in 1787 George Mason put it best: “Shall that man be above [justice], who can commit the most extensive injustice?”
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    Trump and the Republican Party have become one. He enjoys widespread support among Republicans, 85% compared to Paul Ryan's 65% and Mitch McConnell's 40%. Their fates are, for now, intertwined.

    Mr Trump did not for the most part infect Republicans with new beliefs from beyond their ken. He connected, and continues to connect, with what a significant part of its base feels and with what it wants. In so doing, he turned the anti-elitism the party has long fostered in its supporters against its own leadership. In breaking taboo after taboo he did what many in the base had long wanted to see done and to hear said. He is like the “psychoplasmic” monsters in David Cronenberg’s horror film “The Brood”: the party’s id made flesh.
    But what does Trump actually offer the Republican Party?

    What he offers politics is not a conservative agenda. It is not an agenda, or an ideology, at all. It is a set of feelings—about patriotism, about who is a proper American and who is not, about foreigners, about elites, about sovereignty and about power. This fits what Larry Bartels, a political scientist at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, has found out by trawling through survey data. People who identify as Republican are united by cultural issues rather than narrowly political ones. They tend to share respect for the flag and the English language, and negative feelings towards Muslims, immigrants, atheists, and gays and lesbians.

    United in this, they are oddly divided on issues that have often defined the right in America and elsewhere—such as what the role of the state should be. Andrea Volkens of the Berlin Social Science Centre and her co-authors compared the manifestos of the Republican Party with those of parties elsewhere and concluded that Republicans sit closer to France’s National Front than to the Conservatives in Britain or Canada (see chart 1).
    There are some in the party who disagree with this development.

    "Never has a party abandoned, fled its principles and deeply held beliefs so quickly as my party did in the face of the nativist juggernaut,” Jeff Flake, a Republican senator from Arizona, said in a speech in March. “We have become strangers to ourselves." There is a lot of truth in this. The speed with which the Republican Party’s establishment accommodated itself to a candidate, and then a president, who spurned all manner of norms and broke many bounds of decency, as well as policy commitments, was indeed without any precedent.
    It's hard not to see this Republican Party under Trump as a personality cult. Criticism of Trump within the party is virtually verboten.

    But it does mean that criticising him, or acting in a way that helps his critics—for example by seeking to illuminate the nature of his business dealings—is now almost impossible for a Republican who wants to go on functioning as such. As Mr Corker put it, Republican voters “don’t care about issues”. They just “want to know if you’re with Trump.”
    This may explain why a record number of Republicans are not seeking reelection in November.

    It now appears that Mr Ryan cannot stomach his position—or, alternatively, that he thinks the voters will not provide the Republican House majority he would need to continue in it after this November’s mid-term elections. On April 11th he announced that he will not seek re-election. Like Mr Flake himself, and Bob Corker, a senator who memorably compared Mr Trump’s White House to an “adult day-care centre”, not to mention 40 other House Republicans—a record—he is leaving the field of battle.
    What does the future hold?

    Political parties centred on a single personality fall apart after the leader goes. Silvio Berlusconi founded two parties in Italy, Forza Italia and People of Freedom. Both proved fissiparous in his absence. But this is an unlikely fate for the post-Trump Republicans. It is hard for a party to collapse completely in a two-party system. It is also rare for one to become again what once it was. Because the party was becoming Trumpian long before Mr Trump took over, it will no more go back to the 1980s in his absence than to the 1880s. Mr Trump will not bequeath a set of political ideas as Reagan did those he had inherited from Goldwater and others. But the attitudes he has ridden to office will still outlive him.

    If Trumpism is to define the Republican Party for the next decade or more, there are three ways it could develop. The most worrying would see the party choose another leader who, like Mr Trump, does not care for the separation of powers, judicial independence or a free press, but unlike Mr Trump goes about undermining them effectively. A second possibility is that the party loses power and becomes the elected wing of an anti-government movement, its default setting when the Democrats hold power.
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    What are your thoughts on the Republican Party under Trump? Do you agree with the direction it has taken, and how do you view the Party's future?
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    Personality cults in general are troublesome but not unusual in US politics. The party rallies around the president, or presidential candidate, and molds itself according to his policies. This was the case for Obama as well, who managed to change mainstream Democratic thinking on a wide range of issues. Ironically, it was most notably during Bush's presidency that this pattern was contradicted, when Republicans abandoned him for his embrace of bipartisan legislation like amnesty, although he has always been liked personally. While presidential personality cults are a very big problem, it's much less of a problem in the Republican party than in the Democratic party.

    Most people are apolitical and tribalistic by nature. The system is designed to keep the various tribes, or factions, too busy fighting each other to do any serious damage. Gridlock is the bedrock of liberty, that's my motto.

    I think the starting post is a little hyperbolic, however. Trump is not quite that popular among the party base; that idea mainly exists in the imagination of the more 'elite' Republican talking heads. It's more that Republicans have a siege mentality, and right now Trump's essentially viewed as the canary in the coal mine; if you let him get taken down, it will only embolden the Left to then take the rest of the Republican party down. Hence why he is embarrassingly defended for good and stupid policies alike.

    Despite all this the GOP nonetheless remains at its strongest position in a century, enjoying supermajority control of the government on the federal and state levels. It is too early to sound the alarm over the fate of the party. The Democrats are in worse shape.
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    OP has posted a fluff piece. "ALL presidents, Republican and Democrat, seek to remake their party in their own image." is just bland nonsense.

    Cults of personality or common in US politics, with deeply flawed figures like Reagan and Kennedy accorded near divine status on no sound basis.

    There was some disturbance in the traditional relationships with voting blocs at the last presidential election (Trump managed to dramatically secure sections of traditional blue voters in a low turnout) but whether this is a permanent shift remains to be seen. A handful of recent Democrat victories in minor races around the country are a normal reaction to a low popularity/divisive president than some rapid tectonic shift.

    One might argue that there's a the beginning of a tidal shift against a decade or two of mostly republican houses, back towards the long years of democrat control (and this is merely hinted at, there's no sign of this as yet), but that's also a long term stable trend rather than a rapid shift.
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    He created a confrontational stance so strong in American society the polarization turned everyone into either a Trump-fanboy or -hater.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Legend View Post
    I think the starting post is a little hyperbolic, however. Trump is not quite that popular among the party base; that idea mainly exists in the imagination of the more 'elite' Republican talking heads. It's more that Republicans have a siege mentality, and right now Trump's essentially viewed as the canary in the coal mine; if you let him get taken down, it will only embolden the Left to then take the rest of the Republican party down. Hence why he is embarrassingly defended for good and stupid policies alike.
    That's a fair point, but surely there were better alternatives to Trump to defend the party against the Left? I don't think he was simply elected because of this, I think many people agreed with what he was saying - which goes back to the suggestion that Trump's position has become the predominant Republican position, and his popularity among Republicans does seem to support that, even if it isn't as strong as previous Republican presidents.

    Presidents traditionally have overwhelming support from Americans in their own parties. But Trump’s support among Republicans in 2017 was soft, at least by recent historical standards. George W. Bush’s approval rating, for example, didn’t fall below 85 percent among Republicans during his first year in office, according to Gallup, and Obama’s was generally in the high 80s and low 90s among Democrats throughout 2009.
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    OP has posted a fluff piece. "ALL presidents, Republican and Democrat, seek to remake their party in their own image." is just bland nonsense.
    Why is it nonsense? The point isn't whether all presidents seek to remake the party in their own image, the point is that Trump's image has become the Republican Party. Whether that's through his own actions or whether he's a symptom of a previous trend within the party is obviously up for debate.

    Cults of personality or common in US politics, with deeply flawed figures like Reagan and Kennedy accorded near divine status on no sound basis.
    Sure, but Trump commands a loyalty among Republicans that seems somewhat unprecedented. Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsumoto View Post
    That's a fair point, but surely there were better alternatives to Trump to defend the party against the Left?
    Well, they tried. The problem is that the "liberal" media colluded woth Trump and his base to eliminate his competitors. We've been over this....


    I don't think he was simply elected because of this, I think many people agreed with what he was saying - which goes back to the suggestion that Trump's position has become the predominant Republican position, and his popularity among Republicans does seem to support that, even if it isn't as strong as previous Republican presidents.
    I think a lot of people agree with some things he says/has said, many people disagreed with H. Clinton, etc. I also think the contrarianism and distrust of snobbish elites is very strong in Americans. As long as the Democrats cater to the "diversity" racket, and tell normal people how "prejudiced" (read: sinful) they are, they'll always have a legitimacy issue with the working population. A huge portion of the blame for the rampant tribalism in the US and the rest of the "Western world" rests on the shoulders of the current Democrat base and their equivalents abroad. The article makes no mention of that, wonder why.


    Sure, but Trump commands a loyalty among Republicans that seems somewhat unprecedented. Why?
    Like Dr. Legend said, because siege mentality.

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    As a socially liberal economically conservative Republican let me tell you whats happened.

    Trump woke up the Republican party, specifically the ones voting for Republicans.

    He showed them how they can win.

    He also showed how fake many Republican law makers were in their ideals vrs what they ran on. McCain being a the biggest one.

    Republicans wanted to be the comfortable opposition, getting rich off their status like so many democrats have, saying the right things and voting the right way knowing it wouldn't pass so they didn't have to actually take ownership of anything.

    Trump has ironically made the Republicans more Republican again. If the midterms are a blue wave, its finished and all is lost, if they become a red tide, we can actually fix a lot of things in this country that people just take for granted as unfix able, such as the trade deficit, manufacturing jobs, immigration without integration, slow growth and others.

    This is why the dems are pushing the whole let 16 year olds vote (its not the first time) on the bodies of children in Florida. They know children vote for their good sounding nonsense because harsh reality of life and a fully developed brain isn't going to vote Democrat that often.

    Whats become of the Republican party is a rebirth.

    The real question is what has become of the Democrat party? What do they stand for? Who do they represent? What are their goals?

    While I forget the rule change in media ownership (under Obama) that let so few companies control the media, but the only reason this isn't a landslide for the Republicans is that the majority media is mostly controlled and manned (personed) by the left (and if you dispute this, you are just wrong, don't bother).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsumoto View Post
    That's a fair point, but surely there were better alternatives to Trump to defend the party against the Left? I don't think he was simply elected because of this, I think many people agreed with what he was saying - which goes back to the suggestion that Trump's position has become the predominant Republican position, and his popularity among Republicans does seem to support that, even if it isn't as strong as previous Republican presidents.
    I'm pretty sure Trump only received a minority of the vote in the Republican primary, and that includes potentially millions of cross-over votes by Democrats and independents. (According to Michael Harrington's calculations, for example, 9 to 12 million of Trump votes in the Republican primary were cast by non-Republicans; while plausible, it seems somewhat exaggerated.) The Republican field was highly divided with more than a dozen candidates running. Trump also got plenty of help from the media. Without these factors it's possible that another candidate would've won the nomination, most likely Cruz, whose beliefs are significantly more representative of the core Republican base than Trump's are.





    But once Trump became the nominee, the Republican party coalesced around him for pragmatic and tribal reasons, as is the norm in US politics. Republicans were voting more against Clinton than for Trump.



    Sure, but Trump commands a loyalty among Republicans that seems somewhat unprecedented. Why?
    Most Republicans support him but only a minority partake in the personality cult, i.e., would support him regardless of policy.

    Every president or presidential candidate develops a bit of a personality cult with a particular theme. Bush was respected as a down-to-earth average guy even if he wasn't always right. McCain was a respected war hero despite being essentially center-left. Romney's cult generally revolved around his morality and aristocracy (did you know he speaks French?), and that made up for him being at best center-right.

    Trump is idolized for being tough. Because after 8 years of Democrats in the White House and Republicans as the feckless opposition, a lot of Republicans want to just win now. Trump is tough and insults Democrats and establishment Republicans alike. He confidently shrugs off their "criticism" instead of instantly apologizing to stay on their good side.

    In these polarized times, everything is heightened, so it isn't that unusual to see political personality cults taken to an extreme as well. Trump's personality is viewed as effective at defending against Democratic SJW/socialist extremism, and policy-wise he has surprisingly governed as a fairly old-school Republican. Internal Republican dissent against him, is simply viewed as unwarranted at best and pro-Democratic treason at worst. Some believe that many establishment Republicans secretly want the Democrats to regain power, so that they can return to their old role as the Democrats' controlled opposition, best articulated in this tweet:

    2010: Elect us to stop Obamacare.
    2011: Can't stop it without Senate.
    2015: We need the WH to stop Obamacare.
    2017: We can't stop Obamacare.

    — Philip Klein (@philipaklein) March 7, 2017

    I'm pretty sure as soon as Trump leaves the presidential scene, his personality cult will lose steam, just like with Romney and McCain and Clinton and the rest.
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    They have become the caricature that they were portrayed to be. On Federal politics at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    They have become the caricature that they were portrayed to be. On Federal politics at least.
    The important thing is when people who have always been hostile to the Republican party, tell members of the Republican party how they are being bad Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    The important thing is when people who have always been hostile to the Republican party, tell members of the Republican party how they are being bad Republicans.
    It's good to see that "Conservatives" still think they can't be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    It's good to see that "Conservatives" still think they can't be wrong.
    We can't be, just not that often. Trump has completely revitalized the Republican base, and its scaring the crap out of the left who thought we were done.
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    Do you know what I want for the Republican party? To nominate Nikki Haley after Trump.

    Let's see the SJW Democrats try to attack a brown possibly-non-Christian woman. And then let's see the old guard of the Democrat mainstream wing try to attack a politician that is currently aligned with many of their past views.
    The democrats would only be able to make a few negative attacks on her and finally the campaigns will have to focus on the merits of the party's candidate instead of the flaws of the other side.
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    A huge factor in Trump's favour was Hillary. Had the democrats chosen a less controversial candidate, one not in the middle of being investigated and not widely seen as a champion of the deep state, I am confident Trump would have lost.

    The article goes in great length to outline what is wrong with Trump and his party. What it deftly avoids to mention is how all this came to be. Again people should stop treating Trump's election as some sort of a judgement slip. It is not, Trump did not create a movement out of thin air, he was simply able to tap into long existing grievances among the forgotten majority in the US, among the "basket of deplorables" as Hillary put it. Had the Democrats and Republicans not constantly and consistently betrayed their own bases to enrich themselves and their rich friends that financed their campaigns, Trump would have nothing and nobody.

    This to me shows a deeper structural issue in the US political system, it has long allowed an elite caste to dominate politics, forgetting the wants of the many. Eventually they will become angry and respond the only way this system allows them to, by electing whomever seems to be the most iconoclastic. What happened to the republicans? Same thing that happened to the democrats. They got a reminder that people's vote still carries some weight. Now the question is, will they reform their ways and start respecting their electorate more? Or will they try to spin this in ways that will further marginalize these people and lead to even worse extremes. So far, it's not looking good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    The article goes in great length to outline what is wrong with Trump and his party. What it deftly avoids to mention is how all this came to be.
    Because the article isn't about how Trump got elected - it's about how Trump has shaped the Republican Party since he was elected. Hillary is not to blame for Trump's constant lies or loyalty cult. She is not to blame for his propagation of feelings over policy, nor for his abandonment (and Republican acceptance of) long-held presidential norms.
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    In other words, the coming of second Lincoln.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsumoto View Post
    Because the article isn't about how Trump got elected - it's about how Trump has shaped the Republican Party since he was elected. Hillary is not to blame for Trump's constant lies or loyalty cult. She is not to blame for his propagation of feelings over policy, nor for his abandonment (and Republican acceptance of) long-held presidential norms.
    She and her ilk are certainly to blame for creating a situation were the base would be forced to vote iconoclastic. That's what Trump is, or at least what he campaigned as, an iconoclast. And this article may or may not be justified in its omission, but it's not like it doesn't conform to the greater narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Had the democrats chosen a less controversial candidate, one not in the middle of being investigated and not widely seen as a champion of the deep state, I am confident Trump would have lost.
    Did Democrats even have such candidate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Did Democrats even have such candidate?

    Take a random democrat senator or governor. 90% he or she would have been POTUS.
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    tell members of the Republican party how they are being bad Republicans.
    How are them budget cuts going now that the Republicans control all branches of the government?

    Oh wait. They raised government spending.
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