Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Cuman-Kipchak Confederacy (Complete)

[Lucem Mundum]

Great artwork!
Not particularly accurate as to the clothing with some units (eg javelienmen, early cuman tribesmen incorrectly wear mongol (khalkhas or kolpack) brim-split hats, etc)
but awesome nonetheless

Actually the brim-split hats appear in almost every depiction featuring cumans, especially in saint Ladislaus' legend.

here are a couple of examples;

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Chronicon Pictum

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Codex Manesse

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A fresco in the church of Bijacovce

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This piece was found in a cuman burial

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These are just some of the many examples, I can provide you with more if you want.

[eatme]

Actually the brim-split hats appear in almost every depiction featuring cumans, especially in saint Ladislaus' legend.

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here are a couple of examples;

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Chronicon Pictum

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Codex Manesse

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A fresco in the church of Bijacovce

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This piece was found in a cuman burial

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These are just some of the many examples, I can provide you with more if you want.

Thats bcoz that one is fresca of 14-15 cc.. Mongols coming out far and wide (13-14cc)in history are best known wearing such khalkas hats, and actually those are still part of Mongol traditional garb.
Kipckaks, Pechenegs of earlier timeframe are also known to wear mylgai (kolpaks). Such as this here

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I want to point out though, this is a minor thing, and in no way should detract from the fact that the artwork on these units in OP is awesome!

[paleologos]

Very nice, keep it up the good work!

[Slytacular]

Haha. Oh jeez, Slavic glory drawings of Mongols being routed.

[Lucem Mundum]

Thats bcoz that one is fresca of 14-15 cc.. Mongols coming out far and wide (13-14cc)in history are best known wearing such khalkas hats, and actually those are still part of Mongol traditional garb.
Kipckaks, Pechenegs of earlier timeframe are also known to wear mylgai (kolpaks). Such as this here

Thats not necessarily true, since the mongols of the Golden Horde were heavily influenced culturally by their Cuman subjects. The same cannot be said about the mongols of the Ilkhanate or any other mongol successors that lacked the cuman element. Also the split-brim hats do not appear in any post-mongol persian manuscripts.

The Radziwill Chronicle illustrates the history of the Rus' before the mongol invasion, and the Cumans in the image below appear to be wearing the same split-brim hats you claim to be of mongol origins.

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This is an extremely awful modern illustration, and frankly, these guys look more mongol than pechenge. I prefer a contemporary source.

[eatme]

This is an extremely awful modern illustration, and frankly, these guys look more mongol than pechenge. I prefer a contemporary source.

Actually that is 12c Polovtsi art reference based from contemporary literature evidence. Well, I want to rest my case regardless as this inst precisely the thread for it -) But I think you did miss my point m8..
So I will kick up the sideline for any that're interested. To offer opinion with a deeper nerd) view (being a history major helps here).

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There hardly any (and none of those above are) contemporary (12/13c) artwork sources to accurately depict that attire in order to claim these style of dress or hats are Polovtsi\Cuman origin of 12/early13c. There are those references however from much later period, eg most you cite 15c and later, showcasing events of several centuries earlier while offering illustrations of a later time frame. As was done in many cases, see Schöne Stil in gothic illustration technique (notable examples: Het Lam Gods, the Sybils, etc). I.e. wear with no original art references, were made with modern representations or ones taken from more recent sources. The Mongol era that drawn way more documented attention (compared to any earlier Turkic tribal confederacies), and so had left documented and some visual references to provide such more recent source.
Remember, the Polovtsi ceased to exist as nation state to offer any such solid references 1c and even earlier than Mongol era in late 13c.

So for that matter I mentioned those church fresca you cite are at least 3c later from contemporary timeframe. And Radziwill (or rather Königsberg) chronicle for that matter is 15c copy (of earlier 13c Slav manuscript which is also a copy of an ealier one..), and would not cite pre-Mongol era Cuman tribal outfits.
Im not claiming 100p correctness, but there two fact checks, that point out those drawings are the alleged mongol hats and not cuman.
The contemporary (that is 11-12c) and original written sources, eg Tale of Igor's, and First (called the Elder) Novgorodian Annals. These contain enough written description details for the military gear (also for Polovtsi) that many authors used to reconstruct the graphical form. So the illustration (even the cartoonish one I posted) of Polovtsi (no split Khalkas hats there) are based in fact on that.
Second, the Khalkas hats that we talk about very much resemble traditional Mongol dress-wear that is still used in modern Mongolia. Hardly it could have made its way from Pontic-Caspian(Cuman) lands to influence Mongols of the Khangai basin in heartland Mongolia..
Yall can obviously google check any of these proof points

[Lucem Mundum]

Actually that is 12c Polovtsi art reference based from contemporary literature evidence.

I would like to see the original reference then, nonetheless the indo-persian helmets aren't exactly from the 12th century, and the same goes for all the russian helmets in the illustration.

There hardly any (and none of those above are) contemporary (12/13c) artwork sources to accurately depict that attire in order to claim these style of dress or hats are Polovtsi\Cuman origin of 12/early13c. There are those references however from much later period, eg most you cite 15c and later, showcasing events of several centuries earlier while offering illustrations of a later time frame. As was done in many cases, see Schöne Stil in gothic illustration technique (notable examples: Het Lam Gods, the Sybils, etc). I.e. wear with no original art references, were made with modern representations or ones taken from more recent sources. The Mongol era that drawn way more documented attention (compared to any earlier Turkic tribal confederacies), and so had left documented and some visual references to provide such more recent source.

Actually most of the sources i've posted are from the 14th century, and I am aware of the fact that the Radzwill Chronicle is a 15th century copy of a 13th century original, but that doesnt change anything other than further prove my point that the cumans did in fact use the split-brim hats during the 13th century.

Remember, the Polovtsi ceased to exist as nation state to offer any such solid references 1c and even earlier than Mongol era in late 13c.

Ceased to exist as nation not people, and even after the dissolution of their confederacy they retained a lot of their traditions, not to mention the fact that they were fairly stubborn and conservative when it came to integrating into other cultures.

So for that matter I mentioned those church fresca you cite are at least 3c later from contemporary timeframe. And Radziwill (or rather Königsberg) chronicle for that matter is 15c copy (of earlier 13c Slav manuscript which is also a copy of an ealier one..), and would not cite pre-Mongol era Cuman tribal outfits. Im not claiming 100p correctness, but there two fact checks, that point out those drawings are the alleged mongol hats and not cuman.
The contemporary (that is 11-12c) and original written sources, eg Tale of Igor's, and First (called the Elder) Novgorodian Annals. These contain enough written description details for the military gear (also for Polovtsi) that many authors used to reconstruct the graphical form. So the illustration (even the cartoonish one I posted) of Polovtsi (no split Khalkas hats there) are based in fact on that.

I do trust the Radzwill Chronicle enough to use it as a reference, well at least more than that ridiculous nationalistic illustration.

Second, the Khalkas hats that we talk about very much resemble traditional Mongol dress-wear that is still used in modern Mongolia. Hardly it could have made its way from Pontic-Caspian(Cuman) lands to influence Mongols of the Khangai basin in heartland Mongolia..
Yall can obviously google check any of these proof points

They aren't even remotely similar to modern mongol hats, they seem to resemble later cossack hats and other 15th century hats from the Balkans, which were under the cuman sphere of influence, but then again if they were indeed mongol in origin then how come similar hats weren't used elsewhere? like in china or persia which the mongol invasion had a much greater cultural influence over in contrast to the balkans.

Though I would still like to see a contemporary depiction of mongols wearing the split-brim hats, if there are any that is.

[dogukan]

You have no idea how much I enjoy looking at thee man, thanks a lot, great job.

[Danishmend]

Impressive.

"Pechenge" must be corrected as "Pecheneg" though.