Jeremy Corbyn 'figurehead for anti-semitism'

[Aexodus]

The leader of the British Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, has become embroiled over a controversy over a piece of anti-Semitic artwork depicting wealthy Jewish men playing monopoly on the backs of black people. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other



Despite Corbyn's apologies, it is apparently not enough, as this is one event among a trend of anti-semitism within Labour.

“The idea of Jewish bankers and capitalists exploiting the workers of the world is an old antisemitic conspiracy theory … I am sorry for not having studied the content of the mural more closely before wrongly questioning its removal in 2012.”

His critics say his words must be backed by actions. They say the party must expel Ken Livingstone, the former London mayor, and deal with other pending antisemitism cases, as well as condemn the Unite leader Len McCluskey – who described the criticism of Corbyn as “mood music”.

[I_Damian]

Anti-semitism is pretty extreme in the last few years. As is anti-white racism in general. Corbyn is a well known anti-semite and Jew hater, that goes back a long time. Dianne Abbott has made plenty of racist comments about white people. They tried to charge white people more than non-white people to attent a speech a few months ago. Several Labour MP's are known for anti-semitism, one or two have been fired for it but most are not. They fired a Labour MP who tried to speak out about immigrant rape gangs (they'd rather underage girls get raped than lose votes from immigrants) and one Labour MP liked a Tweet that said "white girls who get raped by immigrant grooming gangs should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity".

The Labour party is absolutely despicable right now. Abandoned the working class, pro-mass immigration, anti-white, anti-British, anti-semitic and absolutely teeming with Communists and Marxists. They're so bad that they couldn't even beat the Conservatives at the last general election, and the Conservatives were TRYING TO LOSE THAT ELECTION (seriously, take a look at their manifesto from that election, it's the worst manifesto there has ever been - it's so bad that the only explanation is that they were trying to lose). And Labour still couldn't win.

[mongrel]

Abandoned the working class......absolutely teeming with Communists and Marxists.

Has to be one or the other, can't be both.


@Aexodus

Oh Jeremy Corbyn didn't paint it. A Labour Mayor asked for it to be removed. The work, if that is a generous way of describing it, is by the American called Mears one.

What is your view on foreigners coming to Britain to criticise minority religions or races? Lets hear it.

[Aexodus]

Abandoned the working class......absolutely teeming with Communists and Marxists.

Has to be one or the other, can't be both.

Do the recent elections not demonstrate grass roots rejection of far-left socialism?

@Aexodus

Oh Jeremy Corbyn didn't paint it. A Labour Mayor asked for it to be removed. The work, if that is a generous way of describing it, is by the American called Mears one.

What is your view on foreigners coming to Britain to criticise minority religions or races? Lets hear it.

Based arguments are one thing, conspiracy theories are another. Nice try, though.

[mongrel]

Do the recent elections not demonstrate grass roots rejection of far-left socialism?

Clearly not within the Labour Party. Blairism is dead, for now. UKIP was the party that got destroyed, although the Liberals were close.

Based arguments are one thing, conspiracy theories are another. Nice try, though.

What conspiracy theory? Mears One painted it. Or are you suggesting Jeremy Corbyn is a clandestine artist?


What is your view on foreigners coming to Britain to criticise minority religions or races again? We didn't hear it.

[Big War Bird]

All I'm say is Jeremy Corbyn did nothing wrong.

[StarDreamer]

Abandoned the working class......absolutely teeming with Communists and Marxists.

Has to be one or the other, can't be both.


@Aexodus

Oh Jeremy Corbyn didn't paint it. A Labour Mayor asked for it to be removed. The work, if that is a generous way of describing it, is by the American called Mears one.

What is your view on foreigners coming to Britain to criticise minority religions or races? Lets hear it.

Yes because communists have always done well for workers. Looks at Soviet Union and Mao's China. Errr, whatever you say man, seems they died in droves for "The Greater Good"(meaning upholding the lavish lifestyles of the party leadership). Communists and marxist exploit workers, they don't make life better for them.

[Love Mountain]

Yes because communists have always done well for workers. Looks at Soviet Union and Mao's China. Errr, whatever you say man, seems they died in droves for "The Greater Good"(meaning upholding the lavish lifestyles of the party leadership). Communists and marxist exploit workers, they don't make life better for them.

Ah yes, as opposed to the hyper capitalist conditions of Chinese workers today contrasted against various working conditions in USSR during the 70s and 80s. Or the crap working conditions in Imperial Russia or the Gilded Age. It's almost as if ideological extremes tend to suck regardless of whether they are Marxists or Capitalists.

[mongrel]

Yes because communists have always done well for workers. Looks at Soviet Union and Mao's China. Errr, whatever you say man, seems they died in droves for "The Greater Good"(meaning upholding the lavish lifestyles of the party leadership). Communists and marxist exploit workers, they don't make life better for them.

You may not have noticed but ordinary Labour Party members have abandoned social democracy. It may have something to do with working people having to rely on food banks to survive. Something tells me , however, that Corbyn is incapable of imposing a reign of terror in the event of a Tory defeat.

All I'm say is Jeremy Corbyn did nothing wrong.

Oh he did, many years ago when one of his facebook freinds liked this and he said nothing other than commenting on the right to express free speech.Aexodous' stance blatently contradicts his stance regarding foreign far right nutjobs express their so-called right to annoy people . Either you think there should be restrictions on racist stuff, as I and many people do, or you do not. Make your minds up.

My inner cynic says that it is odd that there should be a fuss about it at this moment , don't you think , just before the local elections. The mural was removed in 2012. The OP has taken the bait, but he's susceptible to the latest nasty web fads. I do wonder whether if the wider public will just see this as yet another pathetic smear campaign or something really troubling. I'd like to see who is backing this.

[Cope]

You may not have noticed but ordinary Labour Party members have abandoned social democracy. It may have something to do with working people having to rely on food banks to survive. Something tells me , however, that Corbyn is incapable of imposing a reign of terror in the event of a Tory defeat.

Labour Party members are not the same as all potential Labour voters. There is a difference between Momentum, the PLP and the rest of the Labour voting electorate.

Oh he did, many years ago when one of his facebook freinds liked this and he said nothing other than commenting on the right to express free speech.Aexodous' stance blatently contradicts his stance regarding foreign far right nutjobs express their so-called right to annoy people . Either you think there should be restrictions on racist stuff, as I and many people do, or you do not. Make your minds up.

It would only be contradictory if he was demanding that Corbyn faced legal repercussions - which he has not done in this thread. Accusing someone of "racist stuff" does not necessarily mean that you hope for them to suffer legal recourse.

My inner cynic says that it is odd that there should be a fuss about it at this moment , don't you think , just before the local elections. The mural was removed in 2012. The OP has taken the bait, but he's susceptible to the latest nasty web fads. I do wonder whether if the wider public will just see this as yet another pathetic smear campaign or something really troubling. I'd like to see who is backing this.

This isn't part of right-wing media conspiracy to undermine the Labour Party. Virtually every single major news outlet in the United Kingdom, ranging from the Guardian to the Independent to the BBC has reported on the story in connection with the protests at Westminster. The reason it has attracted so much attention is because it isn't viewed as an isolated incident. The Jewish Leadership Council didn't accuse Corbyn of being a figurehead for antisemitism over a vague reference he made to a mural years ago.

[mongrel]

Labour Party members are not the same as all potential Labour voters. There is a difference between Momentum, the PLP and the rest of the Labour voting electorate.

Judging from events in Tottenham, where the Labour leader in charge of a privatisation/gentrification programme was defenistrated, I would say it's the proles who have the whip hand.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-leader-quits

It would only be contradictory if he was demanding that Corbyn faced legal repercussions - which he has not done in this thread. Accusing someone of "racist stuff" does not necessarily mean that you hope for them to suffer legal recourse..

Larry David stare.

This isn't part of right-wing media conspiracy to undermine the Labour Party. Virtually every single major news outlet in the United Kingdom, ranging from the Guardian to the Independent to the BBC has reported on the story in connection with the protests at Westminster. The reason it has attracted so much attention is because it isn't viewed as an isolated incident. The Jewish Leadership Council didn't accuse Corbyn of being a figurehead for antisemitism over a vague reference he made to a mural years ago.

Its more than the JLC , some familar Blairites at the demo and a token Tory. Of course there was wide media coverage, but specific incident brought on the timing? Citing something 5 and a bit years old looks a bit contrived.

[Aexodus]

My inner cynic says that it is odd that there should be a fuss about it at this moment , don't you think , just before the local elections. The mural was removed in 2012. The OP has taken the bait, but he's susceptible to the latest nasty web fads. I do wonder whether if the wider public will just see this as yet another pathetic smear campaign or something really troubling. I'd like to see who is backing this.

Mongrel, no one is being arrested or permanently banned from the country for this, nor does it appear to be a joke made in good humour. This is a major story being covered by almost all major news outlets. Calm down. Personally, I do think this particular incident is honestly quite minor, but as ep1c correctly said, it's not an isolated incident.

[I_Damian]

Abandoned the working class......absolutely teeming with Communists and Marxists.

Has to be one or the other, can't be both.

Nope, modern Marxism and Communism is a very middle-class affair. Haven't you noticed that most Communists and Marxists today in the west are from wealthy, middle-class families? Have you not seen them protesting with their fashionable clothes and iPhones?

These people are not pro-poor, they're anti-rich. They don't feel for the poor or want to improve their lot in life, they just hate the tiny minority of people in society who have more than they do and want to take it from them. That's the face of Marxism/Communism in the west today. And the Labour party is teeming with it.

[Aexodus]

Nope, modern Marxism and Communism is a very middle-class affair. Haven't you noticed that most Communists and Marxists today in the west are from wealthy, middle-class families? Have you not seen them protesting with their fashionable clothes and iPhones?

These people are not pro-poor, they're anti-rich. They don't feel for the poor or want to improve their lot in life, they just hate the tiny minority of people in society who have more than they do and want to take it from them. That's the face of Marxism/Communism in the west today. And the Labour party is teeming with it.

Its not an ideology of compassion, it's an ideology that sets people apart based on class, no different really than other extremists that attaempt to play identity politics by ethnicity etc

[Yayattasa]

Corbyn isn't antisemitic. This has been brought to media (again) because local elections are soon to be held.

[caratacus]

I'm personally against murals of any sort and political ones especially, as they smack of Northern Irish sectarianism. I can't understand this whole Banksy craze, its vandalism of buildings!

I think the BBC is anti Russian or anti Corbyn or probably both, for making up their own mural. The inference is quite clear, although of course Russia is no longer Communist, a fact that escapes many.

BBC rejects complaints over Jeremy Corbyn's 'Russian' hat
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43463496

[Aexodus]

At any rate, there is a historical estrangement within the Labour Party and British Jewry.

http://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/Poll-Onl...e-Labor-494366

[Kyriakos]

Oh Jeremy Corbyn didn't paint it.

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I like Jeremy and would vote for him. He isn't perfect (imo his main negative issue is his relatively low education, and his tendency to not distance himself from some in the labour party, due to his own high ethics), but certainly is vastly better than the tories and the blairites.

[Prodromos]

Politicians in general don't have firm principles besides, as Thomas Sowell says, to get elected, and then to get re-elected. The more Muslims there are in the country, the more politicians will seek their votes by flirting with anti-Semitism. That and, if Britain drifts further from Christianity, they may lose any special affinity to Jews as a cultural and religious group, and think of them as a foreign nation, rather than a fellow "Abrahamic" people and the wellspring of their Christianity religion.

I am not sure whether Corbyn really is anti-Semitic, but I read an interesting theory recently about the relation between Marxism and anti-Semitism. Many Marxists apparently think of Jews as the personification of capitalism and its "excesses" (i.e., successes). That's why some Marxists might in one moment denounce the wealthy as thieves, and in the next moment point out the fact that Jews are typically wealthier than average. With that logic you can arrive at the conclusion that most Jews are greedy thieves. This belief can actually be traced back to Marx himself.

But so far Britain doesn't seem as bad for Jews as France is.

[Love Mountain]

No idea where this idea that Leftists are anti-semites is coming from. Antisemitism is not related to any one ideology, it's more historical in nature and prominent "Leftists" who were antisemites like Stalin did not do so out of ideological doctrine, but out of historical suspicion of Jews as well as intolerance of any kind of dissent. In the Soviet Union Jews were both, a highly-educated and highly-skilled workforce that was valued by the authorities to the point of not being allowed to leave, as well as a constant security threat as they were suspected to be traitors and Western sympathizers. Anti-semitism is just as likely to be exhibited by right-wingers as it is by left-wingers so the constant innuendo that anti-antisemitism is somehow a pillar of Leftist thought leaves my head scratching.