Free Speech in the UK

[Gromovnik]

@Ludicus They literally met in 2012 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...ndraising/amp/

An excellent source, with the best possible photo and video quality.

[Ludicus]

@Ludicus They literally met in 2012 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...ndraising/amp/

Even Rabin knew well the intricacies of politics- enemy/terrorist today, tomorrow's friend... Are all Muslims potential terrorists, Aexodus? do you agree with H.H? your silence speaks volumes.

[Aexodus]

Raed Salah is someone Corbyn has defended in a Morning Star article, among other things. That’s what we mean by connections to anti semites.

[Heathen Hammer]

You said that all Muslims are potential terrorists, without exception. That's pretty offensive for our Muslim residents.

Depends on how seriously they take it. I'm sorry, but if you believe in what Quran says is true, then you are condoning violence against specific groups.
As for them being offended - good. Being offended is good for the person that is offended. Makes people think.

[Cope]

Another advert banned by the jobsworth clowns at the regulator.

[Aexodus]

Lol what? They banned it because there were no women? Come on.

[Axalon]

That's what you get from taking feminist-, gender- and PC-crap seriously... Massive and unbothered moronity...

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[TheLeft]

That's what you get from taking feminist-, gender- and PC-crap seriously... Massive and unbothered moronity...

- A

Absolutely. What we need is a return to the 'good old days' when women were second class citizens and confined to the kitchen, where LGBTQ+ people were routinely beaten and persecuted, and when casual racism ruled the roost... </sarcasm>

[Cope]

Because allowing commercials which target a male audience is the moral equivalent of sending women back to the kitchen?

[TheLeft]

Because allowing commercials which target a male audience is the moral equivalent of sending women back to the kitchen?

No. That's not what I said at all. Congratulations for missing the point in a truly spectacular way. Bravo. Really...

I was satirically inferring that if the OP gets his wish and "feminist-, gender- and PC-crap" he hates so much is removed from society then that is what would happen. Rolling back a century or more of feminism will only see women returned to being second class citizens. Something I'm sure far-right incels salivate over...

[Cope]

No. That's not what I said at all. Congratulations for missing the point in a truly spectacular way. Bravo. Really...

I was satirically inferring that if the OP gets his wish and "feminist-, gender- and PC-crap" he hates so much is removed from society then that is what would happen. Rolling back a century or more of feminism will only see women returned to being second class citizens. Something I'm sure far-right incels salivate over...

Settle down.

We're discussing the English advertising regulator having banned a computer commercial for only featuring men. There's no reason to go Julie Bindel on us.

[TheLeft]

Settle down.

We're discussing the English advertising regulator having banned a computer commercial for only featuring men. There's no reason to go Julie Bindel on us.

While I'm sure you meant it as a slur (what is about white male conservatives that means they have to hate feminists?), I actually wish there were more people like Julie Bindel. Her tireless campaigning against sexual violence is very admirable and a step in the right direction.

Nevertheless, the point I'm trying to make is that acting upon boring, tabloid-style tropes like "PC gone mad", "Gender crap" & "femiNAZIS" will only end up in people being persecuted. Look, making society equal doesn't mean that you lose any rights. No-one is coming to your home to force you to wear a dress or kiss another man. It just means that other people now get to have the same rights and place in society that white males have enjoyed since the dawn of time. If it means that punching downwards is now frowned upon, then Boo ing Hoo...

Will people get everything right all the time? No. Of course not. Banning that advert might be a wrong decision, but I'd rather live in a society where we care about the feelings of others than airing horrible 70's style casual bigotry.

[Cope]

While I'm sure you meant it as a slur (what is about white male conservatives that means they have to hate feminists?), I actually wish there were more people like Julie Bindel. Her tireless campaigning against sexual violence is very admirable and a step in the right direction.

Nevertheless, the point I'm trying to make is that acting upon boring, tabloid-style tropes like "PC gone mad", "Gender crap" & "femiNAZIS" will only end up in people being persecuted. Look, making society equal doesn't mean that you lose any rights. No-one is coming to your home to force you to wear a dress or kiss another man. It just means that other people now get to have the same rights and place in society that white males have enjoyed since the dawn of time. If it means that punching downwards is now frowned upon, then Boo ing Hoo...

Will people get everything right all the time? No. Of course not. Banning that advert might be a wrong decision, but I'd rather live in a society where we care about the feelings of others than airing horrible 70's style casual bigotry.

Well at least we got there in the end.

[TheLeft]

Well at least we got there in the end.

Amusing that actually caring about the feelings of other people sends conservatives into a frothing rage...

Don't worry I'm sure someone, somewhere has a copy of the "Black and White Minstrel Show" on VHS you can borrow, and you can all wistfully long to live in the past along with all the other conservatives...

[Himster]

It just means that other people now get to have the same rights and place in society that white males have enjoyed since the dawn of time. If it means that punching downwards is now frowned upon, then Boo ing Hoo...

"Frowned upon"?
That's an interesting choice of words. Things that are frowned upon are like putting one's elbows on the dinner table or wearing white socks with a dark suit. What is being talked about here are people losing their jobs, being censored, being black-listed, getting fined and getting arrested for making jokes/comments/statements that don't conform to the orthodoxy of those in power. A slightly different from being frowned upon.

Will people get everything right all the time? No. Of course not. Banning that advert might be a wrong decision, but I'd rather live in a society where we care about the feelings of others than airing horrible 70's style casual bigotry.

I'd rather live in a society where people have the chance to act politely without such heavy handed coercion.
If the higher echelons of society is determined to force people to act in a certain way in lieu of acting authentically they will fail by definition and will, infact, create a movement determined to act in the opposite way, thus ruining all of the hard won progress that was bloodily paid for over the last several generations. Even if they succeed, which they won't, it will be a hollow victory, people will act out their designs like fear-fuelled automatons rather than beings with genuine a desire to do good.

No matter how lofty the ends may be, these means are unjustifiable, whatever the fruits of these labours might be, they are all poisoned now. It doesn't matter if you're right-wing, a leftist, a liberal, a libertarian, a conservative or an anarchist.

[TheLeft]

"Frowned upon"?
That's an interesting choice of words. Things that are frowned upon are like putting one's elbows on the dinner table or wearing white socks with a dark suit. What is being talked about here are people losing their jobs, being censored, being black-listed, getting fined and getting arrested for making jokes/comments/statements that don't conform to the orthodoxy of those in power. A slightly different from being frowned upon.

Apologies, I was using a classic English understatement. Probably didn't translate well on the internet.

But nevertheless, as I said earlier Boo *** Hoo. Racist and sexist jokes are now deemed to be out of line. Cry me a river. You just have to try not to victimise others for your own personal kicks. It'll be tricky, but I think you can probably manage it.

I'd rather live in a society where people have the chance to act politely without such heavy handed coercion.
If the higher echelons of society is determined to force people to act in a certain way in lieu of acting authentically they will fail by definition and will, infact, create a movement determined to act in the opposite way, thus ruining all of the hard won progress that was bloodily paid for over the last several generations. Even if they succeed, which they won't, it will be a hollow victory, people will act out their designs like fear-fuelled automatons rather than beings with genuine a desire to do good.

No matter how lofty the ends may be, these means are unjustifiable, whatever the fruits of these labours might be, they are all poisoned now. It doesn't matter if you're right-wing, a leftist, a liberal, a libertarian, a conservative or an anarchist.

So we should abandon all attempts at creating a fair and equal society because a few bigots many disagree with the idea? That's daft. Some people need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Some people were against banning slavery and giving women the vote, but it was done and now we don't look back. This is exactly the same thing. If the idea of gay people getting married or Trans Rights sends some people into a temper tantrum, then tough titties...

[Himster]

But nevertheless, as I said earlier Boo *** Hoo. Racist and sexist jokes are now deemed to be out of line. Cry me a river.

You do understand that when you cross the line into the realm of legislating thought crime, you can't come back from that?

You just have to try not to victimise others for your own personal kicks. It'll be tricky, but I think you can probably manage it.

It's the nature of a human group to have the "other" and that "other" will be laughed at. This has always been the case and always will be.
No amount of artifice or legislation can truly overcome nature, it can obfuscate it and in some sense corrupt it.

When you've had your fun with all of your witch hunts and your two minutes hate, yelling at Goldstein and so on... what goes around, comes around: The mechanisms of prosecuting those who deviate from the orthodox thought will remain, but those in power will change and the mouse will chase the cat. All of those former allies that you hunted and drove into the arms of right wing ideologies will now hunt you, energised by righteous vengeance. Then you'll hunt them and round and round it'll go.

So we should abandon all attempts at creating a fair and equal society because a few bigots many disagree with the idea?

No, we should create a fair and equal society. Political correctness, at best, retards that process and at worse is the primary phenomenon fuelling its reversal.
Eliminating/taming political correctness is essential if we are to achieve a lasting fair and equal society.

[Axalon]

In regards to post:1988, 1990, 1992, 1994 and 1996... I think, I will just repeat what I already said previously - as (I think) it applies in full to mentioned posts as well. So without further ado - my full response to it all is (yet again)...

That's what you get from taking feminist-, gender- and PC-crap seriously... Massive and unbothered moronity...

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Because allowing commercials which target a male audience is the moral equivalent of sending women back to the kitchen?

In the world of lefties and PC-nuts... Of course it is! Totally so! Yup...

- A

[Aexodus]

I was satirically inferring that if the OP gets his wish and "feminist-, gender- and PC-crap" he hates so much is removed from society then that is what would happen. Rolling back a century or more of feminism will only see women returned to being second class citizens. Something I'm sure far-right incels salivate over...

I can assure you, the OP also wants an equal and free society. Freedom of speech for everyone is an important part of an equal society.

Do you think sexist langauge violates people’s fundamental human rights?

[Infidel144]

A. You just have to try not to victimise others for your own personal kicks. It'll be tricky, but I think you can probably manage it.

So, others should try not to do exactly what you are doing. I take it that it is too tricky for you to manage...