Can one racially abuse cardboard? How does that work?
Methinks you are upset not at the content of the video, but are upset for exposing the ridiculous injustices of a legal frame work that punishes transgressive thought.
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Free Speech in the UK
Can one racially abuse cardboard? How does that work?
Methinks you are upset not at the content of the video, but are upset for exposing the ridiculous injustices of a legal frame work that punishes transgressive thought.
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As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white ****” as they beat me.
-Ella Hill
Re: Free Speech in the UK
It was a joke. A bad, unfunny joke in poor taste, but a joke nonethelessOriginally Posted by TheLeft
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So you don't think it's got something to do with what the cardboard represents? But I suppose if we follow your preposterous argument then racist films are OK because you can't racially abuse celluloid.
The free dumb of speech argument is just code for, "we demand the right to be bigoted, racist trolls".
Yeah, it was a joke in the same way that burning crosses were a joke. Stop making excuses for racists.
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le Roi de fer
Re: Free Speech in the UK
I don't find the joke funny but it is a ridiculous premise that anyone should be arrested for a joke made in poor taste. Unless they were publicly threatening people with the same fate I don't see how this can be treated as a crime.
I'm not sure an violently racist, extremist group burning objects publicly to intimidate an ethnic minority can be equated to a few drunkards burning something for humour in what appears to be the privacy of their own home on bonfire night.Yeah, it was a joke in the same way that burning crosses were a joke. Stop making excuses for racists.
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Re: Free Speech in the UK
If the 'joke' was confined to the privacy of their own home then, as distasteful as it was, I'd agree with you. However, the moment it got shared on social media then it becomes public domain and can be construed as threatening.
le Roi de fer
Re: Free Speech in the UK
Shared involuntarily, which doesn’t seem very fair to me. Also I’m unsure as to who this is threatening exactly. Laughing at a tragedy does not infer that you intend to replicate it or wish/plan for harm to be done to others in a similar manner. You wouldn’t see people be arrested on suspicion of terrorism for sharing a crude joke about 9/11, for instance.
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Free Speech in the UK
Bless your heart. Whatever you do don't google "race play." It might get you arrested in your country.
Cardboard is brown I suppose. Are you saying colored people are equivalent to cardboard? Isn't that racist and dehumanizing?The free dumb of speech argument is just code for, "we demand the right to be bigoted, racist trolls".
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As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white ****” as they beat me.
-Ella Hill
Re: Free Speech in the UK
That’s not how it works. They put it up on social media. They didn’t force anyone to watch it. Unless you can prove they’ve done this with intent to alarm or distress they haven’t actually fone anything against the law. Which is a law I disagree with but that’s another conversation...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46106224
Is this intentional to alarm or distress? Or was the intent something else?The men have been arrested under section 4a of the Public Order Act 1986 , which covers intentional "harassment, alarm or distress" caused via the use of "threatening, abusive or insulting" words or signs.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...uspects-sixth/
Ffs they’ve raided their home and arrested another person. Let’s just sit back and realise that this at one time deliberately hyperbolic meme about British police has literally come true.sixth person was arrested last night in connection with the burning of an effigy of Grenfell Tower, as detectives raided the property where the "sickening" incident took place.
Three plain clothes police officers spent two hours at the home of Clifford Smith, 49, and his 19-year-old son, Bobbi Connell, in south east London, before leaving with three bags of evidence.
...Scotland Yard said the men had been arrested on suspicion of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress under section 4a of the Public Order Act.
It is thought the searches of the house may have been ordered in an attempt to ascertain whether any hate crime had been committed and whether the offences may have been racially aggravated.
An aerial view of the smart detached property showed a flag of St George attached to a flagpole, lying yards from an area of charred lawn where the bonfire is thought to have taken place on Saturday night.
Also I’m bemused why the Telegraph thinks having the English flag is relevant.
hoi polloi
Re: Free Speech in the UK
Aexedus does you logic work for the KKK. Well officer we burnt the cross on the public street it's not our fault if the N-loving Jews looked at it.... On balance maybe idiots will learn to keep their very poor taste humor (at best ) to themselves. Why not step back a bit - burning an effigy of building fire where 71 people were killed and laughing? And again how many loosing everything, pets, mementos, how many injured? That shows a level of non empathy that I would want to arrest them for. How many wet the bed and brutalize small animals - see how many serial killer check boxes you find.
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If the KKK burn it in the public street then that’s different to private property I would have thought.
The Supreme Court, including liberal judge Ginsburg says cross burning may or may not be free speech depending on context and intent. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2003/04/08...s-threats.html
However it’s very much rightfully considered a true threat if that is the case.
Senator
Re: Free Speech in the UK
In America you won't get arrested for being a racist troll
In Britain I don't have to worry about getting shot in a pub along with 11 other people, including an armed copper.
I'll prefer to live in Britain if it's all the same to you.
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Free Speech in the UK
Please correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be advocating institutionalizing people with a dark sense of humor.
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As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white ****” as they beat me.
-Ella Hill
Re: Free Speech in the UK
Yes, I can see why porn specifically involving racial slurs would be a big favourite amongst the bigoted incels that make up a large proportion of the alt/far-right.
I've no idea what your obsession is with cardboard.
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Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Free Speech in the UK
You are the one advocating that the burning of cardboard cuts should be a punishable offense, not me.
As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white ****” as they beat me.
-Ella Hill
Re: Free Speech in the UK
No. No-one has said that. You've concocted this ludicrous non-sequitur about cardboard in order to try and defend your right to be a racist troll.
Yes, public displays of racism are illegal in the UK (thankfully!), whereas you can be as racist as you like the US. Whilst the alt/far-right can pat themselves on the back that they can chant "The Jews will not replace us" and then wonder why they then have to halfheartedly offer "thoughts and prayers" after a mass-shooting in a synagogue, the UK will be quietly smug that we do not have hardly any of the same race issues. The vast majority of UK citizens value peace and racial harmony above the rights of racist trolls.
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Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Free Speech in the UK
Just so everyone knows what's being discussed:
I don't know if that is the whole video or not, but one certainly gets the gist.
TheLeft can you confirm that you can see this video?
Curiously I can't find any negative reference to race in any of the comments of the people who were there. Maybe I missed it.
TheLeft how do you account for this being some sort of racist act when the people in the video do not appear to ever mention race?
As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white ****” as they beat me.
-Ella Hill
Patricius
Re: Free Speech in the UK
Because:
a) There is no correlation between public display of racism (or any other -ism) and violence. We already had a thread about it, with OP failing miserably to prove his orwellian point.
b) UK is "quietly smug" while being ravaged by crime wave, which is partially due to its Orwellian policies where Britons can't even defend themselves
c) The video isn't even racist. Even if it was, any rational human being wouldn't see any reason to arrest anyone over it. It is called "Freedom of speech". US has it and for some reason actually racially motivated attacks there are statistically insignificant.
Re: Free Speech in the UK
If this is racist, who is being discriminated against on account of their race?
Senator
Re: Free Speech in the UK
The involvement of the police is a mistake but not for the predictable freedumb of screech exhortations already being made. These scumbags will be turned into martyrs for said foolish cause and will in all likelihood end up being championed as such by the usual idiots.
If their identities eventually came out at a local or national level, then the usual societal processes could have come into play. No need whatsoever for the idiot police to get involved.
Re: Free Speech in the UK
It's one of those things where people with partisan axes to grind are taking opportunity. These men were arrested under the Public Order Act, which of course is pretty old and well-established. In other words the police have reason to believe that their actions could be enough to incite public unrest. Whether you agree with that or not, it's different from any free speech argument. They surrendered to police, they were arrested, they have been released immediately under investigation. It's standard process.
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