Free Speech in the UK

[Aexodus]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...yrics-14543694

The content was then passed to Constable Dominique Walker, who is based within a specialist police hate crime unit.

'Deploy the elite hate crime unit S.T.A.T!'

PC Walker told the court that she found the words on Russell’s Instagram account grossly offensive.
She said: “As a black woman I found the words offensive and upsetting. The words are offensive to both black and white people.”

Oh look, 'Grossly offensive', there it is again...

She said: “Jay-Z used these words in front of thousands of people at the Glastonbury festival.”Ms Clarke also pointed out that Russell had spelt the ‘n’ word ending in the letter a rather than er. She also quoted from the urban dictionary, which said that the word ending in the letter a meant a ‘black man wearing a gold chain.’
But PC Walker said that the ‘n word’ was always offensive, whether used by white or black people. She also said that it did not matter how the word was spelt.

Context doesn't matter, checkmate bigot.

He ordered Russell to comply with a curfew order restricting her movements between 8pm and 8am for 8 weeks.
She was ordered to wear an electronic tag on her ankle during this period of time. Russell was also ordered to pay £500 toward costs and a £85 surcharge.

Britain, a free country.

[mongrel]

Context doesn't matter, checkmate bigot.

Slappin' women, killing snitchs and robbing rich people. These all good British values to you? It is interesting,at a time when older black British people are being unlawfully turfed out of homes and jobs, and denied NHS facilities and pensions they have paid for for decades, to an extent that even the Daily Mail says is shameful, you are excercised by the free dumb of speech to call them (word censored because, ironically, TWC also finds said word offensive).

[Heathen Hammer]

At this point UK just isn't a free country anymore. First they took away Briton's right to defend themselves, now they are taking away their rights to speak their minds, as it was predicted, as anything can be now interpreted as illegal by being labeled as either "hateful" or "grossly offensive", both rather vague definitions that can be applied freely. We just have acknowledge the fact that May's Britain, much like Putin's Russia or Merkel's Germany is more of an authoritarian oligarchy, rather then "democracy".

[mongrel]

At this point UK just isn't a free country anymore. First they took away Briton's right to defend themselves, now they are taking away their rights to speak their minds, as it was predicted, as anything can be now interpreted as illegal by being labeled as either "hateful" or "grossly offensive", both rather vague definitions that can be applied freely. We just have acknowledge the fact that May's Britain, much like Putin's Russia or Merkel's Germany is more of an authoritarian oligarchy, rather then "democracy".

Trying to think of the benefits of speaking of the positives of slappin' women, killing snitchs and robbing rich people and addressing British black people in the manner of American slave overseer. Struggling to find any. People should learn by now, just don't post this crap on social media, its that simple.

Anjem Chowdary is rightfully serving five years in solitary for 'speaking his mind'. Did you complain at the time? Are you complaining now

[Heathen Hammer]

Trying to think of the benefits of speaking of the positives of slappin' women, killing snitchs and robbing rich people and addressing British black people in the manner of American slave overseer. Struggling to find any. People should learn by now, just don't post this crap on social media, its that simple.

Anjem Chowdary is rightfully serving five years in solitary for 'speaking his mind'. Did you complain at the time? Are you complaining now

Its not government's business what people should or should not post on social media. I don't agree with groups like antifa, Open Society Foundation or individuals like Anjem Chowdary, Sadiq Khan or Al-Baghdadi, but I recognize their right to express their opinion, even if that opinion directly contradicts that of mine, provided they do not commit actual acts of violence.
I find it quite ironic, given how "progressive" liberal left is perfectly fine with UK government becoming an authoritarian regime. If Orban started throwing leftists into jail just for having their opinions, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

[mongrel]

Its not government's business what people should or should not post on social media. I don't agree with groups like antifa, Open Society Foundation or individuals like Anjem Chowdary, Sadiq Khan or Al-Baghdadi, but I recognize their right to express their opinion, even if that opinion directly contradicts that of mine, provided they do not commit actual acts of violence.
I find it quite ironic, given how "progressive" liberal left is perfectly fine with UK government becoming an authoritarian regime. If Orban started throwing leftists into jail just for having their opinions, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

If people don't like it and vote for governments that holds the authors of racist stuff, or pro-Islamist bollocks to account, so be it. It is an easy enough thing to avoid. Racial abuse or indeed the promotion of ISIS are not essential to the pursuit of happiness. indeed it detracts from it. Don't need foreign racist memes to 'enrich' our culture.

[Aexodus]

Anjem Chowdary is rightfully serving five years in solitary for 'speaking his mind'. Did you complain at the time? Are you complaining now

There is a difference between an Islamic cleric calling mass executuions by ISIS the 'dutiful fulfilment of the prophecy of Mohammed' and another man saying 'Islam is violent'. If someone cant define this difference, that person is a totalitarian. They can't distinguish between incitement to violence, and an opinion on an ideology, or the rapid cultural change taking place in a country, that person is a totalitarian.

From Meecham's own, mouth, they won't give you a platform, bring your own.

[Heathen Hammer]

If people don't like it and vote for governments that holds the authors of racist stuff, or pro-Islamist bollocks to account, so be it. It is an easy enough thing to avoid. Racial abuse or indeed the promotion of ISIS are not essential to the pursuit of happiness. indeed it detracts from it. Don't need foreign racist memes to 'enrich' our culture.

Again, who gets to decide what is acceptable or not? If Orban starts throwing leftists and SJWs to jail, would you support that?

[mongrel]

Again, who gets to decide what is acceptable or not? If Orban starts throwing leftists and SJWs to jail, would you support that?

A magistrate if a very minor offense, a jury if not. We don't have a system like the US Deep South in the 50's where white criminals had a free pass if they were a bit racist.

I don't give a stuff what some foreign nutter does with hypothetical strawmen. As long as his nation meets ECHR standards it is not an issue, if not, Hungary is no more than a backwards nation, not fit to be in the EU in any event.

There is a difference.............

There is, that is why Choudary is spending 5 years in solitary, where as your average racist rant gets a slap on the wrist and a hefty fine. That is how our justice system works. Of course if your pet pretend crusader insists on assaulting policemen or travelling on a fake passport, he deserves jail time, like any other holligan or fraud.

[Heathen Hammer]

A magistrate if a very minor offense, a jury if not. We don't have a system like the US Deep South in the 50's where white criminals had a free pass if they were a bit racist.

No, your system is much worse, since your government charges people for making jokes and posting pop music lyrics on a private social media accounts. I don't recall people going to jail in 50s US for writing Presley lyrics.

I don't give a stuff what some foreign nutter does with hypothetical strawmen. As long as his nation meets ECHR standards it is not an issue, if not, Hungary is no more than a backwards nation, not fit to be in the EU in any event.

So you agree that May's UK, much like Putin's Russia or Merkel's Germany isn't a free nation?

[Aexodus]

That is how our justice system works. Of course if your pet pretend crusader insists on assaulting policemen or travelling on a fake passport, he deserves jail time, like any other holligan or fraud.

Can we please desist from discussing off-topic events that dont affect freedom of speech.

[mongrel]

Can we please desist from discussing off-topic events that dont affect freedom of speech.

Ooh lets not mention that the UK far -right scene is so tainted by violence and crime, those wishing to be associated with them readily attracts the interest of the police.

No, your system is much worse, since your government charges people for making jokes and posting pop music lyrics on a private social media accounts. I don't recall people going to jail in 50s US for writing Presley lyrics.



So you agree that May's UK, much like Putin's Russia or Merkel's Germany isn't a free nation?

Social media, is by it's very definition, public. I don't recall Elvis singng about slappin' women, killing snitchs and robbing rich people. I also don't recall him singing racist epitets either.

[Aexodus]

Is Snoop Dogg being racist when he says ?

[Vanoi]

You can ban a lot of music if you simply ban it for violent words or depicting violent acts. You are going into the realm of simply banning music for being offensive.

[mongrel]

Is Snoop Dogg being racist when he says ?

I think it fits the ordinary definition of offensive. I challenge you to walk through the strets of Peckham holding up a sign with the word I cannot mention on this forum without risk of infraction.I guarantee that before your inevitable arrest, many Londoners will offer you free advice on that issue.

You can ban a lot of music if you simply ban it for violent words or depicting violent acts. You are going into the realm of simply banning music for being offensive.

Like they did with this song?

[Aexodus]

And should you be criminalised for being offensive

[mongrel]

And should you be criminalised for being offensive

Read the damned CPS guidelines.

[Vanoi]

I was thinking Eric Clapton and his single Cocaine since it glamorizes drug use. "Hey Joe" by Jimi Hendrix since it talks about violence against a woman.

At what point does it start being offensive and thus illegal?

[Infidel144]

Elvis:
Baby Let's Play House:

Now listen to me, baby
Try to understand.
I'd rather see you dead, little girl,
Than to be with another man.

[mongrel]

I was thinking Eric Clapton and his single Cocaine since it glamorizes drug use. "Hey Joe" by Jimi Hendrix since it talks about violence against a woman.

At what point does it start being offensive and thus illegal?

The answer , is quite literally, one post above yours.