The material culture question thread.

[Rad]

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I am starting this thread so we have a place where we can talk and ask about the items that are a part of EB2. Namely clothing, weapons and armor, but also other things like pottery, utensils, jewellry etc.

I'll start. I've seen metal rims on some thureos shields. Does someone know of any extant finds? If not, what served as inspiration?

[hlidskjalf]

i've always wondered where the oval/hexagonal colorful gallic shields came from, contemporary descriptions? i only know of the thames river shield, but it's a different shape, and isn't it bronze coated?

[Elmetiacos]

i've always wondered where the oval/hexagonal colorful gallic shields came from, contemporary descriptions? i only know of the thames river shield, but it's a different shape, and isn't it bronze coated?

The best known examples are the Vachères warrior figure who has a shield like this and an oval shield depicted on the Nimes altar along with a carnyx.

[Genava]

i've always wondered where the oval/hexagonal colorful gallic shields came from, contemporary descriptions? i only know of the thames river shield, but it's a different shape, and isn't it bronze coated?

Roman arch of Orange. Coins of Julius Caesar. Furius L. Philus coins. Gundestrup cauldron. Terracotta figurine from Ptolemaic Egypt. Hallstatt scabbard from Austria.

A few there:
https://balkancelts.wordpress.com/ta...-shield-coins/

There is a lot of evolution during the EB time frame, artistic decoration of warfare equipment known several changes. Some examples at the end of this pdf:
https://www.academia.edu/1167397/Les...entations_2003
A picture from it:
http://reproductioncelte.r.e.pic.cen....net/repro.jpg

An interpretation of the same art used by Celts to decorated scabbards but applied on a shield:
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/f9/2d/49/f...d1da6f7846.jpg

[Neuchatel]

Sources for the horned helmets of the Kartlevi warriors ?

[Rad]

Sources for the horned helmets of the Kartlevi warriors ?

Some sort of figurines, apparently. I would very much like to see them.

[Neuchatel]

Some sort of figurines, apparently. I would very much like to see them.

Kazbegi hoard from 6 BCE ? Why is it even included ?

[hlidskjalf]

pretty sure i saw them posted in the twitter update thread

@elmetiacos, thanks, the shield/carnyx is pretty awesome!

[Rad]

I really don't have much info besides that. That's why I started the thread, to learn.

[Neuchatel]

The silence of the EB team is deafening.

[Floren d'Asteneuz]

The silence of the EB team is deafening.

Yeah, right.

Nobody is forcing anyone.

Of course.

So that is not impatience, and there is no need to do what you can't and to pay when you can't.

It doesn't come cheap for anyone, you know that right ?

And about burden of proof :

Burden of proof works if (and only if) someone is proposing an assertion or a theory.

When a group says from the beginning "we want to do it as historically as possible, but we need to fill the gap and chose between several versions in our game", this is not an essay or a theory.

History doesn't fill gaps. If you do you are a bad historian.

Here we don't have to use burden of proof because the general and initial assertion is that subjective choices has been made and will be made.

[Rad]

Yeah, right.

Nobody is forcing anyone.

Of course not.

It doesn't come cheap for anyone, you know that right ?

I do. But the folks making the game already appear to have obtained those books. Otherwise they would not have the sources to make the game the way it is... right?

[Rad]

It is. I hope they're busy making stuff.

[Floren d'Asteneuz]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...m-Bibliography

There are a LOT of references there.

[athanaric]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...m-Bibliography

There are a LOT of references there.

That's hardly a helpful reply to a question about specific details, though.

[Rad]

Most of that doesn't come cheap.

[Floren d'Asteneuz]

And I was naive enough to think that you accepted to read more history.

[athanaric]

And I was naive enough to think that you accepted to read more history.

As someone who's studied history I can tell you that that's not how burden of proof works.
Someone asked for the source for a detail, now the team historians who conceived the unit should answer. The only problem I see is that they might not be registered on this board.

[Nimor]

In fact, the problem is that answering those questions to a satisfactory degree takes time, a rather limited commodity that is subsequently not spent on doing actual work for the mod.

Not to speak of the issue that for every answer two new questions tend to spring up.

There likely will be an answer here and there but don't be caught by the misconception that a dedicated thread like this will generate a steady stream of answers. Even their days only got 24 hours.

[Rad]

I took that into consideration before I made the thread, Nimor.
I just hope it eventually yields a few more answers.