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    Default Curial Officers Bill

    Supporters: Garbarsardar, Rez, Asterix

    Aims: The aims of this bill, is to establish a system whereby the curia can elect specific officers to run certain projects at TWC. For example, someone like Halie's modder registrar would fit perfectly into this bill. Perhaps even a head librarian. It will infuse the positions that are elected with constant leadership, fresh ideas and energy.

    Rationale: Because projects often get hamstrung by a lack of leadership, usually the result of a prolonged absence and drawn-out resignation on the part of nostalgia or whathaveyou, the motiviation is to let the curia, through elections, keep leadership fresh and active and accountable to the bodies which make the most use of these creations.

    Consequences and Future Problems to Address: Each officer covered by this legislation should be given a mandate which is implemented accordingly through some legislation. For the case of a head librarian, in a situation with an already-established staff, I would strongly be against implementing something against the wishes of the other librarians, rather I would advocate allowing them to define the mandate of the head librarian and simply allow the curia to elect that individual based on their merits vis-a-vis the mandate given. Also, Appendix A of the syntagma should be ammended to include curial officers, as not all officers mandates may include a patrician requirement.

    Additionally, hopefully Lord Rahl will make some spiffy badges for the various officers to have handy...

    Curial Officer
    Role: A curial officer is a member who has been given a mandate, by the curia, to administer a project or institution at TWC. It shall only apply to chairpersons or project leaders/managers, and not general and day-to-day staff, who are hired as employees.

    Powers and Priviliges: Curial officers shall be given the appropriate moderator priviliges judged by the Hexagon council to be necessary for carrying out their duties.

    Selection: When an Curial office is vacant, the Curator shall post a stickied thread in the Curia Main forum for a period of no longer than four days, stating the mandate for the office and asking for applicants. In the event that more than five candidates apply, the CdeC shall review the applicants and choose the best five candidates. The Curator shall then hold a vote, which shall last no longer than six days. The candidate with the most amount of votes shall be declared the winner.

    Terms: A curial officer shall hold office for a period no longer than three months from the day they are formally invested in the office to the final day of the following election.
    Thus, the official campaign for a curial officer should begin ten days before the end of the officer's term.
    In the event that an office is vacated due to dismissal or resgination, the pro-curator will temporarily assume that office until a new election has taken place and a new officer invested.

    Dismissal: If, in the judgement of the Hexagon council, a curial officer has neglected his or her duties, including but not limited to prolonged unstated or unexcused absence or a gross violation of trust, the curator may dismiss the officer and hold new elections.


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    Default Re: Curial Officers Bill

    Seems like an interesting idea but I believe it is easier for the admins to simply permit and give the powers to someone who wants to be a leader of a specific forum.

    But, I do think that if the specifications and responsibilities are written down and passed as law here that those who are leaders of the specified forums will be more effective at their job.

    Oh, and I'll make badges too...if they are needed.

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    Default Re: Curial Officers Bill

    I support this Bill.

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    I support - especially if it means we can get a more regularly run Helios

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    I like, though shouldn't the Curia also be able to call an officer into disrepute?

    Also, we might not have a Pro Curator - Mim did not often have one, for example (though I acted as one for a few weeks).

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    Well, perhaps we should consider a permamenent Pro-Curator...

    Also, yes, the curia should be able to call an officer into question. I just want to hold off on that for now, given how unwieldy such a process could be...
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    Default Re: Curial Officers Bill

    Then shouldn't the Pro Curator business be the first thing to consider?

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    I disagree. We have a procurator at the moment. The mechanics of this bill will work with what we have.
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    I support, but only if the Curia can call for a vote of no confidence (ie somebody opens a thread in the Curia detailing why they think the officer is lacking, and if it gets three supporters it goes to a vote).

    The Librarians should be able to veto candidates for the position of head librarian, and members of any other group that will have a Curial officer can have that same right. Although once a candidate is approved, they are obliged to go along with the Curia's wishes if they are elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigagaia View Post
    I disagree. We have a procurator at the moment. The mechanics of this bill will work with what we have.
    Here's hoping that Spiff survives the winter...

    I support, btw.

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    Default Re: Curial Officers Bill

    I've always said that the Curia worked best as an incentive, and this seems to reinforce that. I support.


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    Supporters: El Cid, Tenhauser, Rez

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    Aims: The aims of this bill, is to establish a system whereby the curia can elect specific officers to run certain projects at TWC. For example, someone like Halie's modder registrar would fit perfectly into this bill. Perhaps even a head librarian. It will infuse the positions that are elected with constant leadership, fresh ideas and energy.

    Rationale: Because projects often get hamstrung by a lack of leadership, usually the result of a prolonged absence and drawn-out resignation on the part of nostalgia or whathaveyou, the motiviation is to let the curia, through elections, keep leadership fresh and active and accountable to the bodies which make the most use of these creations.

    Consequences and Future Problems to Address: Each officer covered by this legislation should be given a mandate which is implemented accordingly through some legislation. For the case of a head librarian, in a situation with an already-established staff, I would strongly be against implementing something against the wishes of the other librarians, rather I would advocate allowing them to define the mandate of the head librarian and simply allow the curia to elect that individual based on their merits vis-a-vis the mandate given. Also, Appendix A of the syntagma should be ammended to include curial officers, as not all officers mandates may include a patrician requirement.

    Additionally, hopefully Lord Rahl will make some spiffy badges for the various officers to have handy...

    Curial Officer
    Role: A curial officer is a member who has been given a mandate, by the curia, to administer a project or institution at TWC. It shall only apply to chairpersons or project leaders/managers, and not general and day-to-day staff, who are hired as employees.

    Powers and Priviliges: Curial officers shall be given the appropriate moderator priviliges judged by the Hexagon council to be necessary for carrying out their duties.

    Selection: When an Curial office is vacant, the Curator shall post a stickied thread in the Curia Main forum for a period of no longer than four days, stating the mandate for the office and asking for applicants. In the event that more than five candidates apply, the CdeC shall review the applicants and choose the best five candidates. The Curator shall then hold a vote, which shall last no longer than six days. The candidate with the most amount of votes shall be declared the winner.

    Terms: A curial officer shall hold office for a period no longer than three months from the day they are formally invested in the office to the final day of the following election.
    Thus, the official campaign for a curial officer should begin ten days before the end of the officer's term.
    In the event that an office is vacated due to dismissal or resgination, the pro-curator will temporarily assume that office until a new election has taken place and a new officer invested.

    Dismissal: If, in the judgement of the Hexagon council, a curial officer has neglected his or her duties, including but not limited to prolonged unstated or unexcused absence or a gross violation of trust, the curator may dismiss the officer and hold new elections.
    Alternatively, if a patrician feels that an officer has neglected his or her duties, the patrician may open a thread as a motion in the prothalamos calling for a vote of no confidence. Once the motion has garnered the support of at least three patricians, it may be moved to a vote at the curator's discretion. Should the vote pass with no less than 75% of non-abstaining votes in favour, the curator shall dismiss the officer and hold a new election for the vacant position.
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    I support this Bill in full.

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    Looks... marvellous. Support.

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    Still supporting!

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    I support even more, now that accountability has been brought to the forefront.

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    Support, very good

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    Hmm, know where its going but I'll humour people, support.
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    Default Re: Curial Officers Bill

    There should be no reference to Pro-Curator, just to Curator (who can delegate to the Pro-Curator). And it's silly to say that the (Pro-)Curator should take on the job of Head Librarian or whatever: Hex should appoint an interim head if necessary.

    Also, this is rather open-ended. Which institutions can the Curia appoint the head of? I'm not clear on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simetrical View Post
    Also, this is rather open-ended. Which institutions can the Curia appoint the head of? I'm not clear on this.
    I don't think this is necessary. This Bill merely allows for structures to be set up quickly and easily for a project. Specific projects are not within the realms of this Bill. soem projects, for example might be deemed inappropriate, others ideal. Hex can block any project that it deems is not suitable for Curial involvement. I would like to point out that the veto is rarely used, however, so it should not be used as an excuse to stop this bill moving, or any discussion for that matter (provided it falls within the bounds of the ToS and conventions of the Curia).

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