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    At least 120,000 members of China’s Muslim Uighur minority have been confined to political “re-education camps” redolent of the Mao era that are springing up across the country’s western borderlands, a report has claimed.

    Radio Free Asia (RFA), a US-backed news group whose journalists have produced some of the most detailed reporting on the heavily securitised region of Xinjiang, said it obtained the figure from a security official in Kashgar, a city in China’s far west that has been the focus of a major crackdown.

    Last year, as Xi Jinping was crowned China’s most powerful leader since Chairman Mao at a politically sensitive congress in Beijing, Xinjiang’s re-education centres were “inundated” by detainees, who were forced to endure cramped and squalid conditions, the report said. Just in the city of Kashgar – which has a population of about half a million inhabitants – tens of thousands of people were allegedly confined. Taking into account the wider region around Kashgar, the number allegedly rose to 120,000.

    Maya Wang, a Human Rights Watch campaigner who wrote a recent report on the camps, said the figures cited by RFA were credible although growing levels of repression in Xinjiang meant reliable numbers were impossible to ascertain. Estimates of the total number of people who have spent time in such centres in Xinjiang, which has a population of about 22 million, ran as high as 800,000, Wang added. “It’s just like a black hole which people are added to and don’t get out of.”

    Kashgar, the largest city in southern Xinjiang, has found itself at the eye of a growing security storm since a hardline party leader, Chen Quanguo, took charge of the region in the summer of 2016.

    Activists and academics say a key strand of an increasingly high-tech push to control Xinjiang’s residents has been the creation of “re-education centres”, where those suspected of going against the party’s teachings or being “politically unreliable” are being interned in their thousands.

    Last year BuzzFeed visited one such institution, known as the Kashgar Professional Skills Education and Training Centre, describing a beige building with shades covering its windows. “People disappear inside that place,” one local warned.

    One leading Xinjiang expert told Canada’s Globe and Mail the camps were “a form of enforced disappearances in a very organised way”.

    China defends what authorities call “extremism eradication” schools as an important part of its fight against radicals it blames for a wave of attacks.

    According to Human Rights Watch’s report, the centres are often housed in converted government buildings such as schools or specially built facilities. Wang said detainees were often held, unlawfully and without charge, as a result of religious “offences” such as excessive praying or non-religious acts such as accessing proscribed websites.

    Wang said that while authorities claimed the centres were about combating terrorism and separatism, they were in fact designed to brainwash and assimilate Uighurs. “At the political education facilities, they sing patriotic songs. They learn about Xi Jinping thought. These are patriotic measures aimed at making Uighurs love the Chinese government,” she said. “It’s extreme repression and yet completely silent.”
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    Worse of all, it also target foreigners with Islamic background.

    Perhaps not a surprise, since Chinese culture is fundamentally xenophobic (except towards whitemen) and when it combines with fascist state the result is predictable.
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    This is pretty deplorable, yes, but oddly it doesn't seem to affect ethnic Hui Chinese, who are Muslim but have historically been viewed by the Han majority as being loyal to China over the centuries. This is obviously targeting the Uygur Turks of Xinjiang, for their separatist activities. The Chinese are also obsessed with territorial integrity, and since they have an authoritarian state, they have the legal means to make such happy camps for reeducation and labor. This is what happens when citizens don't have guaranteed civil rights based on constitutional laws, but are more or less seen as a collective and merely an extension of the state itself. In that same token, the Chinese government also bulldozes private properties to make way for infrastructure projects. Protests about that and other things are hidden from their domestic media and severely suppressed.

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    in before someone claims china hasnt actually moved backwards in term of human rights in recent years. i find it concerning that china seems to bother less and less to even try to present an acceptale face to the world. i guess we have finally conviced them that we will make deals with them regardless of their human rights record. not that this is a surprise, they are hardly worse than saudia-arabia, but i think in chinas case, there were instances were we could pretent that there is actually some degree of liberalization going on, not unlike in russia after the fall of the SU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    but oddly it doesn't seem to affect ethnic Hui Chinese
    How do you know that? Besides other Muslims probably would condemn Hui as heretics since a lot of Hui Chinese actually practice paganism and idol worship.

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    i guess we have finally conviced them that we will make deals with them regardless of their human rights record.
    Well it is quite clear Muslim states are not bother how Chinese sending their brothers into special camps for de-islamisation, so why Christians need to be bothered by that?
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    I think China is the perfect example of horseshoe theory when it comes to communism and fascism. Roma essentially hit the nail on the head, China, like some other countries, doesn’t have a bill of rights that guarantees personal freedoms and views its subjects as a collective. The Ugyur Turks have long been seen as enemies of Chinna in the western provinces, and this smacks lf the start of some kind of Chinese holocaust.
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    Radio Free Asia was founded and funded in the 1950s by an organization called "Committee for Free Asia" as an anti-communist propaganda operation, broadcasting from RCA facilities in Manila, Philippines,[7] and Dacca and Karachi, Pakistan (there may be other sites) until 1961. Some offices were in Tokyo. The parent organization was given as the Asia Foundation. In 1971 CIAinvolvement ended and all responsibilities were transferred to a presidentially appointed Board for International Broadcasting (BIB).[8][9][10]

    With the passage of International Broadcasting Act in 1994, RFA was brought under auspices of the United States Information Agency where it remained until the agency's dissolvement of broadcasting duties and transitioned to U.S. Department of State operated BBG in 1999. In May 1994, President Bill Clinton announced the continuation of Radio Free Asia after 2009 was dependent on its increased international broadcasting and ability to reach its audience.[11] In September 2009, the 111th Congress amended the International Broadcasting Act to allow a one-year extension of the operation of Radio Free Asia.[12]

    The current Radio Free Asia is a US-funded organization, incorporated in March 1996, and began broadcasting in September 1996. It bears no relation to the 1950 organization.[13]
    RFA broadcasts in nine languages, via shortwave, satellite transmissions, medium-wave (AM and FM radio), and through the Internet. The first transmission was in Mandarin Chinese and it is RFA's most broadcast language at twelve hours per day. RFA also broadcasts in Cantonese, Tibetan (Kham, Amdo, and Uke dialects), Uyghur, Burmese, Vietnamese, Lao, Khmer (to Cambodia) and Korean (to North Korea). The Korean service launched in 1997 with Jaehoon Ahn as its founding director.[14]

    After the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 American interest in starting a government broadcasting organization grew.[15] The International Broadcasting Act was passed by the Congress of the United States in 1994. Radio Free Asia is formally a private, non-profit corporation.[16] RFA is funded by an annual federal grant from and administered by the Broadcasting Board of Governors. The BBG serves as RFA’s corporate board of directors, making and supervising grants to RFA.


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    In 1999, Catharin Dalpino of the Brookings Institution, who served in the Clinton State Department as a deputy assistant secretary deputy for human rights, called Radio Free Asia "a waste of money." "Wherever we feel there is an ideological enemy, we're going to have a Radio Free Something," she says. Dalpino said she has reviewed scripts of Radio Free Asia's broadcasts and views the station's reporting as unbalanced. "They lean very heavily on reports by and about dissidents in exile. It doesn't sound like reporting about what's going on in a country. Often, it reads like a textbook on democracy, which is fine, but even to an American it's rather propagandistic."

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    And its clearly random that this news is coming right now.^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    How do you know that? Besides other Muslims probably would condemn Hui as heretics since a lot of Hui Chinese actually practice paganism and idol worship.



    Well it is quite clear Muslim states are not bother how Chinese sending their brothers into special camps for de-islamisation, so why Christians need to be bothered by that?
    doesnt concern me, im not a christian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Iunius_Brutus_Caepio View Post
    And its clearly random that this news is coming right now.^^
    The news came out probably due to some victims are willing to come out and speak about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Iunius_Brutus_Caepio View Post
    Radio Free Asia was founded <snip>
    So what? What does that have to do with "Chinese finally did it - Muslim concentration camp in China"?

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    Sorry, China is clearly no democracy and no constitutional state, but i could present here dozens of black americans, which were innocent in prison for years, only because being black and poor, to claim US is an apartheid regime 2.0, but such articles are cold war propaganda.

    The term "concentration camp" is pure propaganda, there is surely no Auschwitz, Majdanek or Sobibor in the desert Gobi. Even no Buchenwald or Bergen-Belsen.

    @Infidel: RFA is not a reliable source. Thats my problem with it. And the headliner is a propaganda term.
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    This is the price of Communism and Equality, you anti-revolutionary Burgoeise. Gotta break some eggs to make an omelet

    Either with Mao Tse Tung or against him. The Great Leap Foward continues today. It won't be stopped because of a few reactionaries disliking pragmatism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Iunius_Brutus_Caepio View Post

    @Infidel: RFA is not a reliable source. Thats my problem with it. And the headliner is a propaganda term.
    I did not ask what your problem with it was. I asked what that, has to do with the subject. Is it at all relevant to the issue?

    Are you claiming that this is not happening? Are you claiming that the Guardian, the Washington Post and the AP are not reliable? Are you upset that commies are being criticized?

    Why precisely are you tossing out idiotic red herring crap?

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    Uyghurs should get their State (perhaps in confederation with China, so they don't get a military and this makes the deal more palatable to the party). The same to Tibetans. Mongols from Inner Mongolia do not seem so much interested in statehood anymore. China still operates as an Empire, but the era of Empires is over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayattasa View Post
    Uyghurs should get their State (perhaps in confederation with China, so they don't get a military and this makes the deal more palatable to the party).
    Then you clearly don't understand the mindset of Chinese government (not just current one).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayattasa View Post
    Uyghurs should get their State (perhaps in confederation with China, so they don't get a military and this makes the deal more palatable to the party). The same to Tibetans. Mongols from Inner Mongolia do not seem so much interested in statehood anymore. China still operates as an Empire, but the era of Empires is over.
    hehe, so you say, but the chinese don't care. To be frank, i don't think the uyghurs or tibetans will ever get independence, and they will probably be happy if they can even avoid genocide in the form of chinese colonisation and assimilation. Why would the second strongest power in the world give up a region with many minerals? China desperately needs more minerals and oil. As for tibet, that's where all of china's river originate. There is no way in hell the chinese would ever surrender control over their rivers like that. also, both xinjiang and tibet are buffers.

    No, china won't give them independence, and the rest of the world can't force them. Rest of the world, including muslims, doesn't even seem to take care in the first place. No, china has big army, nukes, big economy, many people, can't be stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Perhaps not a surprise, since Chinese culture is fundamentally xenophobic (except towards whitemen) and when it combines with fascist state the result is predictable.
    Boxer rebellion, fundamentally anti-Western (with a good degree of rightful motives).
    Taiping rebellion, Christian Chinese (Hakka ethnic group) effectively exterminated to get rid of Western influence, death blow to Christianity in China.
    If you want something more modern, look at how Hong Kong Western influenced activitsts are treated.

    China has a concept of order, based on ethnic Han at the center, but also the minority areas as ''cushion'' regions that serve as a protection from foreigners. The destabilization of one minority area is a threat to the order and thus the success and prosperity of China. It has always been like this since forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayattasa View Post
    Uyghurs should get their State (perhaps in confederation with China, so they don't get a military and this makes the deal more palatable to the party). The same to Tibetans. Mongols from Inner Mongolia do not seem so much interested in statehood anymore. China still operates as an Empire, but the era of Empires is over.
    Tell that to the United States
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    Attacking non-muslims and then claiming victimhood following eventual reaction has been MO of radical islamists from Balkans and Chechnya to now Myanmar and China. With exception of Western Europe, where treasonous Western governments would prefer to look the other way rather then being accused of being "racist" towards some immigrant ISIS fanboy, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Taiping rebellion, Christian Chinese (Hakka ethnic group) effectively exterminated to get rid of Western influence, death blow to Christianity in China.
    Actually, Christianity in China is growing rapidly. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-15-years.html

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    Good point. Then even in the case they get rid of Uyghur Muslims, Islam might be back in a century or so.

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