Islam: The Religion of Peace (believe it or else..)

[Marcus II]

The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'

Iraqi civilians killed last year by ISLAMIC Terrorists
16,791

Iraqi civilians killed collaterally in incidents involving Americans
(and Islamic Terrorists)
214*

Iraqis aren't
dying from war.
They are being murdered by
Islamic terrorists.

*Source: IraqBodyCount.net (includes civilians caught in crossfire who may have been killed by the terrorists)

oh, and by the way, dont tell me about this whole moderate muslim nonsense. Go here and read for yourself:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...e-muslims.html

[RZZZA]

Mmm...hmmm....


I dont believe in all this "religion of peace" or "religion of violence" stuff. Religions arent peaceful or violent, only people are. I know the christian bible is very open to individual interpretation and I'm sure the koran is too, you could justify absolutely anything using holy books if you tried hard enough.

Bottom line is that its folly to use religion as law. Law should police religion, not the other way around. Theocracy leads to religous violence.

[carl-the-conqueror]

Mmm...hmmm....


I dont believe in all this "religion of peace" or "religion of violence" stuff. Religions arent peaceful or violent, only people are. I know the christian bible is very open to individual interpretation and I'm sure the koran is too, you could justify absolutely anything using holy books if you tried hard enough.

Bottom line is that its folly to use religion as law. Law should police religion, not the other way around. Theocracy leads to religous violence.

i think you have that dead on, its the same in isreal and was like it in northeren ireland (and if gangs of new york is about what i think it is, and its true, then newy york)

[AngryTitusPullo]

Are you still have problem of differentiating Islam the religion and muslim who's (suppose) to be the follower of Islam ?

For understanding the cause of those violence you might read the thread here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76718 . A simple differences which unfortunately brought much misery to the Islamic world even until today.

[Quran 7:28] They commit a gross sin, then say,
"We found our parents doing this, and GOD
has commanded us to do it." Say,
"GOD never advocates sin.
Are you saying about GOD
what you do not know?"

While all the known religions of the world call for LOVE, PEACE, TOLERANCE, FREEDOM OF BELIEF AND MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING, many of the terrorists' acts are committed in this world by people who consider themselves religious.

[Quran 7:28] They commit a gross sin, then say, "We found our parents doing this, and GOD has commanded us to do it." Say, "GOD never advocates sin. Are you saying about GOD what you do not know?"

Like all the other religions of God, Islam (Submission in English) promotes peace, love and harmony among the people. Actually the word "Islam" in addition to meaning submission (to God), is also derived from the Arabic word Salam (peace). The Muslims (Submitters) greet other people by saying Salaam (Peace be upon you).

[Quran 49:13]"O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant. "

The religion of Islam (Submission in English), advocates freedom, peace and mutual agreement and admonishes aggression.

[Quran 5:87] ... and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.

[Quran: 7:199] ......You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant.

The relations of Muslims (Submitters) with others are based primarily on peace, mutual respect and trust. The theme in the Quran is peace as long as there is no oppression or injustice that cannot be resolved by all the peaceful means available.

The religion of Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, irrespective of the cause - religious, political or social beliefs.

Quran, the Muslims' holy book and scripture declares;

[Quran 6:151] "...... You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."

[Quran17:33] "You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. ....."

The laws of the previous scriptures that applied to previous generations and current generation are repeated and emphasied for the Muslims (Submitters) in the Quran. Muslims (Submitters) are commanded to follow such laws. Quran reiterates ;.

[Quran 5:32] "......, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. .............."

The religion of Islam condemns the killing or even the persecution of people merely because they embrace a different religion. The Quran mandates the absolute freedom of religion in a society. It does not allow Muslims to fight except for self defense and to enforce peace. It does not allow restrictions on those who disagree on religious matters. It urges the Muslims to treat such people kindly and equitably:

[Quran 2:256] "There shall be no compulsion in religion...".

[Quran 60:8]"GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable."

[Quran 8:61]"If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."

[Quran 4:90]"...... Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them."

Regrettably, many terrorists groups have used the name Islam to promote their cause and this gave many non-Muslims a chance to asperse Islam and label the Muslims as terrorists. Deliberately ignored on the other hand, are terrorists who happen to be Christians or Jews.

With all the great laws established on earth by God or man, the evil among the human being, will find a way to abuse, distort or misinterpret them. This does not make these laws evil but rather proves the evil nature of these criminals.

Terrorism as an act of violence has been committed by people from all religious and political backgrounds. Terrorists who happened to be Christians ( e.g. in Bosnia, England, Ireland, Germany, Spain...etc.) and thsoe who happened to be Jewish (e.g. in Israel, Palestine and Lebanon) used their religious beliefs to claim legitimacy for the violence and terrorism they commit. Thousands of women, children and men, young and old have been killed in attempts to achieve or hold on to special interests whether political, social or "religious" .

Those who do not comprehend Islam and those who have an interest in distorting the truth about the religion of Islam, have been trying to make the word terrorists and terrorism synonymous to the religion. A mistake that had been common in the media in the West.

Several groups who called themselves Jews, Christians or Muslims, have used terrorism to force their agenda, issues or beliefs. None of these groups represent the true religion of the Jews or the Christians as much as these terrorists represent Islam.

Attacks on the civilians and the least expecting people around the world by these groups is the kind of strife that cannot be justified by any religion or under any cause and is strongly condemned in all religions including Islam as clarified by the words of God in the Quran, the Final Testament.

Some of the terrorist groups which massacre innocent people consider themselves martyrs. Those who kill the innocent people in the name of their religion or the name of God, who think of themselves as martyrs should think twice. Their act is actually strongly condemned by God in the the verses of the Quran. These people are disobeying God's commandments and the TRUTH in the Quran. Instead they blindly follow the opinion of their corrupted leaders (and scholars). It is not a surprise that God has not granted them victory. Quite the contrary they have been the most humiliated, defeated and oppressed people on earth. Worse, they are oppressed by their own rulers.

The Quran is very clear that the believers must defend themselves but never to aggress. It is true that Islam (Submission) calls for the followers to be strong. This call however is to use the strength to secure peace, provide freedom for the society and the country but never to agress unless agressed upon.

Our Creator is one and the same. The God of the Muslims is the same God of the Jews and the Christians and all the other religions. God does not permit one group the killing of innocent people of the other religions.

The blame lies with the terrorists and not the religion they claim to adhere to. Not everyone who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim as much as not every one who thinks of himself as a Jew or a Christian is one.

The religion of Islam should not be confused by what these so called Muslims have done. They actually, by the definition of the Quran, are not Muslims or at least as much Muslims as the Ku Klux Klan are good Christians. We should not let our emotions overcome our logic and understanding.

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[Princeps]

This is nothing but a troll thread.

[Holger Danske]

This is nothing but a troll thread.

So telling the truth about the "war" in Iraq is trolling because it does put Islam in a bad light?... Which by the way is their one fault with the cowardly way they fight the coalition!

[Sit down, fat dog]

So telling the truth about the "war" in Iraq is trolling because it does put Islam in a bad light?... Which by the way is their one fault with the cowardly way they fight the coalition!

Ha!

"You guys! Fight fair! Come out and meet us in conventional battle where you will be hopelessly be gunned down! Stop fighting in a way that actually seems to be entirely defeating the world's most powerful nation!"

Interesting thought process you got going there.

[Chocolatemouse]

So telling the truth about the "war" in Iraq is trolling because it does put Islam in a bad light?... Which by the way is their one fault with the cowardly way they fight the coalition!

Because blind bombing from planes is courageous too ?

[boofhead]

The Iraqi police force is corrupt, sectarian and infiltrated by militias.

Guaranteed every murder in the country is not being investigated forensically, and I bet you many of the dead are simple murders by an individual who hates another individual. Iraq has murderers too, right, who will kill for love, kill for greed like anywhere else, right? What better time in this period of lawlessness to commit such an act, when there is little chance of getting caught?.

Look at the murders in post-Katrina New Orleans after the break-down of law and order - unbelievable! Are all these blamed on "Christian and Atheist" terrorists?

I'd say the numbers are not accurate, and don't take this into account, but for sure most would have been committed by death squads - how religious these people are is not for the above website to determine. Sectarianism is enough to promote mass-murder without a religious element.

The "Islamic" part is INCIDENTAL.

[danzig]

Sorry but that doesnt indicate that Islam is the root cause of the problem anymore then attempts to blame every death on American troops. There are obviously elements in Iraq society who are using violence for their own ends but there is no proof to prove it is related to the religion but more along the lines of we are Sunnis you are Shia...die which can be pretty much be applied to any conflict between groups religious or not. Your average Sunni or Shia most likely just wants to live their life in peace, the fact there are nutcases on both sides bent on killing each other doesnt reflect the entire religion anymore (to use comparison again) then Pat Robertson reflects devout Christians.

Just as a sidenote (and yes as a morbid joke poking fun at various corpse counters especially those who aim at insanely stupid high numbers) awhile back there were people on TWC throwing around the 600,000 dead since the start of the war if 16,000 people died last year that means a decrease from 2005 of nearly 180,000!

[AngryTitusPullo]

To claim Islam are the roots of cause for violence in Iraq is like saying that democracy is the roots of crime in the streets of US.

[turd]

To claim Islam are the roots of cause for violence in Iraq is like saying that democracy is the roots of crime in the streets of US.

one teaches equality
one teaches supremacism over others
you figure out which is which

[Last Roman]

one teaches supremacism over others

so does Christianity. Therefore we should blame all murders by Christians on Christianity right?

[Chocolatemouse]

so does Christianity. Therefore we should blame all murders by Christians on Christianity right?

I completly agree islam is at same tittle a religion of peace as christianism, and both have same god. The problem is when religion is used as a tool by power hungry people or when desperate people search a solution in holy texts, only see the violent parts but forget the messages of peace and tolerance.
I personnaly see no difference between a bush talking of crusade and an extremist calling to jihad, in both case they understood nothing to religion.

Nose kiss

[Richard the Lionheart]

The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'

Iraqi civilians killed last year by ISLAMIC Terrorists
16,791

Iraqi civilians killed collaterally in incidents involving Americans
(and Islamic Terrorists)
214*

Iraqis aren't
dying from war.
They are being murdered by
Islamic terrorists.

*Source: IraqBodyCount.net (includes civilians caught in crossfire who may have been killed by the terrorists)

oh, and by the way, dont tell me about this whole moderate muslim nonsense. Go here and read for yourself:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...e-muslims.html

Iraqis are muslims. Iraqis are basically killing each other right now, thus the whole issue of civil war.

[The White Knight]

Well, yours clearly isn't equality.

Edit: Excuse me, this sounded a whole lot harsher than I meant it.

[turd]

what do you mean? are you going to tell me next that taking a stand against tyranny is racism?
people like you are the cause of ww2.

[The White Knight]

what do you mean? are you going to tell me next that taking a stand against tyranny is racism?
people like you are the cause of ww2.

I didn't call you a racist and I don't intend to. To me it simply seems unfair that some people treat muslims as a violent rabble and as the cause of all problems and then dare say that they (=the muslims) have a supremacist view whilst not even trying to hide that they themselves are unimaginable superior to muslims.

[Sit down, fat dog]

Anybody who isn't out to prove whatever particular point that they carry around with them will recognise that the original post is a gross and unhelpful oversimplification. It attributes all the factions in Iraq as 'islamic terrorists' which all but the most stubborn now accept as an untrue assessment.

[sephodwyrm]

The US invasion of Iraq and failure to impress the Iraqis and laying off of several hundred thousand fighting men were some of the biggest reasons for the intense partisan activity. Islam probably doesn't come close.

And no Islam is not the religion of peace.
So I go for the or else part of the title.

oh, and by the way, dont tell me about this whole moderate muslim nonsense. Go here and read for yourself:

I am an extremist Muslim...I am too lazy to fight you. If I called myself moderate I would probably have to invest some time arguing with a isolationist and xenophobic misanthrope.