Desert Kingdoms DLC

[Geffalrus]

Coming to Rome 2 on March 8th, apparently. Honest question: is CA just blatantly stealing faction ideas from you guys? Saba, Nabatea, Kush/Meroe, and Numidia........that's pretty much a 1-to-1 relationship with factions you added and fleshed out. Of course, the dlc trailer is showing.....sigh.......armored camels for the Sabean Kingdom. We'll see what comes out officially, but so far, it looks more comical than accurate.

[Nordling]

Definitely stealing ideas

[Vardano]

I think they named their latest DLC "Empire Divided" just to have chance to bring attention from DEI fans. You guys like to play as unique factions which were developed by DEI team? Now you will be able to unlock those factions after you buy our new DLC. Very Creative Assembly.

[Nordling]

Take into account the "new" feature thats going to be introduced in ToB - supply lines. No comment

[Dead*Man*Wilson]

I was going to say 'wrong game!' Then I read this:

https://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-ro...tra-and-teuta/

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

I have only one word...CAMELPHRACTS

[Tenerife_Boy]

I have only one word...CAMELPHRACTS

and Desert Pikemen. lel

[MAM3166]

I have only one word...CAMELPHRACTS

I've read your sentence aloud, which sounded more like :"I have only one word...CAMELFART". Incidentally this is why I signed in
PS: Just kidding, you guys rock, best mod I've ever seen in ages, keep up !!

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

I've read your sentence aloud, which sounded more like :"I have only one word...CAMELFART". Incidentally this is why I signed in
PS: Just kidding, you guys rock, best mod I've ever seen in ages, keep up !!

Welcome mate.
Cheers

[Fest]

Well I can't comment to historicity but it seems like it is fleshing out politics a bit more and also adding in female character roles/involvement, so I hope it works out well for everyone.

[garblefarb]

i was excited for half a second when i saw it announced but then i realized i can already play these factions in DEI... the devs must love the work you guys do .-.

[Vardano]

also adding in female character roles/involvement, so I hope it works out well for everyone.

[Benjin]

What's wrong with that?

[Vardano]

What's wrong with that?

Nothing! First they released fake and ahistorical "Daughters of Mars" DLC and now instead of fixing numerous things with core of the game and introducing things which were asked by community for a long time, they please some sort of total war SJW's with another "modern social standard" flc which recognizes "the role of the woman". "There are special events (dilemmas) that portray the trials and tribulations associated with women coming to power in ancient times. Usually, there are traditions and prejudice standing in the way. Such events allow the player to recruit a female leader or gain some other bonuses from parties that would oppose such a decision." Just lol. I'm sick and tired of how modern entertainment pushes fake agendas of known lobbies literally everywhere. They on a history with all their modern tv shows like Spartacus, Vikings and so on. I guarantee you that all this kids and teenagers watching those shows will actually think that Caesar was ed in the ass and woman had almost same role as man in a viking society. History should be represented in the way it was and not used as a tool to push modern agendas in a hidden forms. I love the latest Assassin Creed, Caesar says in one the most crucial episodes that he thinks that all women are weak and lady assassin proves him wrong and kills him in the end. B e a u t i f u l. Stop messing up history. How many woman general do you personally know from this time period? Please name them.
Don't you find amazing that woman flc comes alongside with bunch of fake units we can see in the trailer already?



What is this? Womataphract which dominated ancient battlefields?

Cash grab, stolen ideas, re-skinned ahistorical units and another push of modern agendas into "historical title". That what is wrong with that.

[Falco]

Nothing! First they released fake and ahistorical "Daughters of Mars" DLC and now instead of fixing numerous things with core of the game and introducing things which were asked by community for a long time, they please some sort of total war SJW's with another "modern social standard" flc which recognizes "the role of the woman". "There are special events (dilemmas) that portray the trials and tribulations associated with women coming to power in ancient times. Usually, there are traditions and prejudice standing in the way. Such events allow the player to recruit a female leader or gain some other bonuses from parties that would oppose such a decision." Just lol. I'm sick and tired of how modern entertainment pushes fake agendas of known lobbies literally everywhere. They on a history with all their modern tv shows like Spartacus, Vikings and so on. I guarantee you that all this kids and teenagers watching those shows will actually think that Caesar was ed in the ass and woman had almost same role as man in a viking society. History should be represented in the way it was and not used as a tool to push modern agendas in a hidden forms. I love the latest Assassin Creed, Caesar says in one the most crucial episodes that he thinks that all women are weak and lady assassin proves him wrong and kills him in the end. B e a u t i f u l. Stop messing up history. How many woman general do you personally know from this time period? Please name them.
Don't you find amazing that woman flc comes alongside with bunch of fake units we can see in the trailer already?



What is this? Womataphract which dominated ancient battlefields?

Cash grab, stolen ideas, re-skinned ahistorical units and another push of modern agendas into "historical title". That what is wrong with that.

Amazing post

[Benjin]

Nothing! First they released fake and ahistorical "Daughters of Mars" DLC and now instead of fixing numerous things with core of the game and introducing things which were asked by community for a long time, they please some sort of total war SJW's with another "modern social standard" flc which recognizes "the role of the woman". "There are special events (dilemmas) that portray the trials and tribulations associated with women coming to power in ancient times. Usually, there are traditions and prejudice standing in the way. Such events allow the player to recruit a female leader or gain some other bonuses from parties that would oppose such a decision." Just lol. I'm sick and tired of how modern entertainment pushes fake agendas of known lobbies literally everywhere.

I don't know why you're pissed off with me for asking that question or whatever it was that set you off on your rant, but why does literally anything that's related to women in any form of media (especially games) have to be seen as some kind of SJW push and be utterly criticized for it? Why can't you appreciate that CA are even doing anything with Rome II which adds some much-needed depth to the game - no matter how small - after two and a half years of inactivity?

The stuff that they're adding in this free-LC has been asked by the community to be added - I am one of the people who has been asking for it for years and was one of the things I discussed with Pawel Wojs at EGX London a few years ago after I got my 3D portfolio reviewed (i.e. what happened to Cleopatra since she was in the cinematics and not in the game? The topic stemmed onto a discussion about female characters in the Total War series). I also entered Total War modding to eventually add these kind of features myself (among other things) simply because I wanted to see more variation to the generals / politicians:

• Cleopatra + Teuta finally implemented into the game - advertised through concept art and trailers yet were not seen in the game.
• Mechanic for women to be recruited as backroom-style politicians for Romans + Greeks, and as generals / admirals only for Barbarians (don't know about the Eastern culture group yet).
• Some new events and political incidents related to women (probably how they're recruited, rather than recruiting them directly from the candidates window).

Stop messing up history. How many woman general do you personally know from this time period? Please name them.

Don't you find amazing that woman flc comes alongside with bunch of fake units we can see in the trailer already?

What is this? Womataphract which dominated ancient battlefields?

Cash grab, stolen ideas, re-skinned ahistorical units and another push of modern agendas into "historical title". That what is wrong with that

Setting aside the fact that Total War has never intended to be a "realistic" depiction of the history they portray - but rather a stereotypical, "Hollywood", stylised mishmash of history blended together with totally fictional elements (read Kevin McDowell's - Lead Art Director - comments on historical authenticity in the "Art of Total War" book) - how is any of the stuff they're implementing with the free-LC portion of the update "ahistorical"? I wouldn't personally know of any women (or men, for that matter) from the ancient world since I wasn't alive to meet them, but if you think that Cleopatra, Teuta and just believing that women in general have had absolutely no affect on the politics or any battlefield of the ancient world, you are misinformed and need to brush up on your own history. Ever heard of Livia Drusilla/Augusta (had great backroom power - supposedly poisoned Augustus to allow her son Tiberius to become Emperor)? As for women who have lead armies, what about Boadicea of the Iceni? Veleda of the Bructeri? Zenobia of Palmyra (already in Empire Divided)? Tomyris of the Massagetae? That's just to name some for you. The fact that you're completely unaware that there have been ancient female figures who have had a massive influence in history and occasionally lead armies either just highlights a gap in your knowledge of ancient history, or maybe you're trying to impose an agenda of your own in an effort to re-write history? Ratios don't matter - the fact that they did exist while potentially lending extra character variations for players to utilize in their games is more than enough to justify their implementation in a series like Total War - a series which gives you the ability to change history.

As for the fictional units in the DLC - why is this such a big deal, and why are you so surprised at this point (especially after the over-exaggerated account of female warriors in the Daughters of Mars DLC)? Mods like DeI will remove them or change them for you anyway, or just take them out yourself (which is so easy to do). Knowing this, how does the presence of these fictional units threaten your goal for a totally historically authentic version of Rome II for you to play? It doesn't.

Obviously CA want cash - they're a business first and foremost; what were you expecting from them in terms of support at this point? That is the business model they've been using for the past decade. What other incentive do they have to revisit one of their older products? Other game companies, such as Paradox, work on free updates accompanied by paid micro-expansions as well. If it encourages CA to continue support for a game I and many other people still love to play and mod, then I have no issue with what they're doing.

How can you claim that factions which were implemented in vanilla as minors on release have been "stolen"? They're a part of the campaign map which have always been there, and were severely neglected (i.e. not playable at all, had a bad building / tech tree with unit rosters mostly borrowed from other playable rosters) from the beginning who have always needed attention. The fact that there are already a tonne of mods besides DeI which have a heavy focus on those areas of the campaign map doesn't take a genius to figure out why they chose that culture group (Desert Nomads) to fully flesh out.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

... and woman had almost same role as man in a viking society. ...

Funnily, they were.

http://www.history.com/news/dna-proves-viking-women-were-powerful-warriors


@Benjin: You can add to the list:

Olympia (Alexanders Mum), Agrippina Minor (poisoned Emperor Claudius to make her son Nero Emperor), Cartimandua (Queen of the Brigantes)...

[Dead*Man*Wilson]

At least we'll (hopefully) be rid of that bland, generic 'nomadic desert' culture crap.

[Nordling]

The thing is that this DLC could potentially prolly break/lock those factions. Am I right devs?

Oh well, I'm conquering Middle East with Atropatene atm so idc much

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

The thing is that this DLC could potentially prolly break/lock those factions. Am I right devs?

It'll probably lock them for anyone who doesn't own the DLC yes.