A Guide for Guilds

[Argonius]

one question, is Knights of Santiago guild a building that should appear in descr_strat? If yes how to put it there?

[Lord Baal]

A annoying question. The limit of 1 guild per city is 100% hardcoded then?

[Igorknyaz]

Many thanks. Very usefull. Must be added by a guide how to create new guild.

[Igorknyaz]

But you have already done.

[martix]

I have a question - for the Woodsmens guild - does training Retinue Longbowmen contribute points to getting it?

[Gigantus]

Trigger 0183 in export_descr_guilds - there are other archer units as well.

[Miguel_80]

Hello. Why when I add a hidden resource in the guild as a condition so that it appears only in some cities doesn't make me case? Do I have to create exclusive triggers so that they appear only in the cities that interest me?

[Gigantus]

The explorer guild can only be build in regions with the 'atlantic' hidden resource - there shouldn't be a problem doing it the same with other hidden resources. The hidden resource must exist in the top of the EDB and as a condition for the guild in the EDB.
Then in descr_regions that hidden resource must be entered in the regions that you wish to be used.

[Miguel_80]

Hello Gigantus:

I know how it works, but “knights of Santiago chapter house” (for example) get me in other cities that is not their hidden resource.

Another example: this is to make that only “theologians guild” appears in the cities that I want. But it appears in any city.

In export_descr_buildings.txt:

hidden_resources sparta rome italy america atlantic explorers_guild swordsmiths_guild woodsmens_guild teutonic_knights_chapter_house knights_of_santiago_chapter_house crusade jihad arguin horde_target no_pirates no_brigands theologians_guild

building guild_theologians_guild
{
    levels theologians_guild m_theologians_guild gm_theologians_guild 
    {
        theologians_guild city requires factions { northern_european, middle_eastern, eastern_european, greek, southern_european, }  and hidden_resource theologians_guild
        {
            capability
            {
            }
            material wooden
            construction  1 
            cost  1000 
            settlement_min city
            upgrades
            {
                m_theologians_guild
            }
        }
........

In descr_regions.txt:

Bruges_Province
            Bruges
            england
            Flemish_Rebels
            232 90 41
            textiles, dyes, theologians_guild
            5
            4
            religions { catholic 80 orthodox 0 islam 0 pagan 8 heretic 12 }
........

Rheims_Province
            Rheims
            france
            French_Rebels
            31 75 37
            iron, coal, theologians_guild
            5
            4
            religions { catholic 80 orthodox 0 islam 0 pagan 10 heretic 10 }

But the theologians Guild appears in any city. The guilds only obey to the triggers?


Greetings

[danny X]

Did you delete map.rwm? Any changes to descr_regions requires the map.rwm to be deleted.

[Miguel_80]

Did you delete map.rwm? Any changes to descr_regions requires the map.rwm to be deleted.

Yes, I deleted the "map.rwm" file. I am not so novice, jejeje!

Greetings


P.D: Has anyone tried to do the same thing myself any time?

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EDIT:

I believe that the hidden resources doesn't influence the guilds. They obey the orders of the “triggers”.

Look this sample. It’s a campaign of vanilla.

Knights of Santiago chapter house in Corinth?

Corinth_Province Corinth byzantium Greek_Rebels 225 192 192 none 5 4 religions { catholic 5 orthodox 90 islam 0 pagan 2 heretic 3 }

Knights of Santiago chapter house in Tunis?

Tunis_Province Tunis moors Fatimid_Rebels 202 191 17 iron, crusade 5 4 religions { catholic 0 orthodox 0 islam 90 pagan 10 heretic 0 }

Explorers guild in Bruges?

Bruges_Province Bruges england Flemish_Rebels 232 90 41 textiles, dyes 5 4 religions { catholic 80 orthodox 0 islam 0 pagan 8 heretic 12 }

[Withwnar]

I believe that the hidden resources doesn't influence the guilds.

This is true. Not as hidden_resource conditions in EDB nor when added in descr_regions hoping to use the 'hardcoded' mechanism which was suggested here might exist - I don't think there is any hardcoded stuff for this, it's simply the case that you cannot tell the game where a guild is allowed to be offered.

I also tried a building_present_min_level and that had no effect either - the guild was offered in a settlement which did not have that building, despite the condition saying it needs to be there.

Fortunately the factions{} condition DOES work in EDB. I don't know about other condition types.

EDIT: I was only testing the explorers_guild. I don't know if the above applies to all.

[Jurand of Cracow]

This is true. Not as hidden_resource conditions in EDB nor when added in descr_regions hoping to use the 'hardcoded' mechanism which was suggested here might exist - I don't think there is any hardcoded stuff for this, it's simply the case that you cannot tell the game where a guild is allowed to be offered.

I also tried a building_present_min_level and that had no effect either - the guild was offered in a settlement which did not have that building, despite the condition saying it needs to be there.

Fortunately the factions{} condition DOES work in EDB. I don't know about other condition types.

EDIT: I was only testing the explorers_guild. I don't know if the above applies to all.

It does apply for hanseatic guild as well. I got hanseatic guild in Vienna that has no access to sea (so no port), and no hidden_resource hanse, and even event_counter hanseatic_league was at 0. It seems the city amassed the required number of points of the guild and it was offered.

building guild_hanseatic_guild{
  convert_to guild_hanseatic_guild
  levels hanseatic_guild
  {
    hanseatic_guild requires factions { northern_european, eastern_european, } and port and event_counter hanseatic_league 1 and hidden_resource hanse
    {
      convert_to 0
      capability
      {
		population_growth_bonus bonus 1 requires factions { northern_european, southern_european, eastern_european, greek, middle_eastern, } and not event_counter OSTSIEDLUNG 1
		population_growth_bonus bonus 2 requires factions { northern_european, southern_european, eastern_european, greek, middle_eastern, } and event_counter OSTSIEDLUNG 1
		trade_base_income_bonus bonus 1 requires factions { northern_european, southern_european, eastern_european, greek, middle_eastern, } and not event_counter HANSEATIC_LEAGUE_EXPANDS 1
		trade_base_income_bonus bonus 3 requires factions { northern_european, southern_european, eastern_european, greek, middle_eastern, } and event_counter HANSEATIC_LEAGUE_EXPANDS 1
		navy_bonus 1  requires factions { northern_european, southern_european, eastern_european, greek, middle_eastern, } and event_counter HANSEATIC_LEAGUE_EXPANDS 1
      }
      material wooden
      construction  1
      cost  5000
      settlement_min large_town
      upgrades
      {
      }
    }
  }
  plugins
  {
  }
}

[Gigantus]

It does apply for hanseatic guild as well. I got hanseatic guild in Vienna that has no access to sea (so no port), and no hidden_resource hanse, and even event_counter hanseatic_league was at 0. It seems the city amassed the required number of points of the guild and it was offered.

building guild_hanseatic_guild{
  convert_to guild_hanseatic_guild
  levels hanseatic_guild
  {
    hanseatic_guild requires factions { northern_european, eastern_european, } and port and event_counter hanseatic_league 1 and hidden_resource hanse
    {

Your results may be misleading as the conditions are faulty, 'port' will require a building definition, eg 'building_present_min_level' - but as withnwar points out that didn't work anyhow. Check your hanseatic triggers - here is a the default set up from teutonic:

Trigger 0286_Hanseatic_Control_[settlement name]
    WhenToTest SettlementTurnStart

    Condition SettlementName [settlement name]
          and I_EventCounter hanseatic_constructed = 0

    Guild hanseatic_guild s  5 
    Guild hanseatic_guild a  5

Following the discussion in this thread I have come to the following conclusion:

• the only valid requirements for EDB buildings with the guild prefix is 'factions'
• any other requirements need to be defined in the triggers in export_descr_guilds

This makes the guild system rather versatile as the triggers can be highly customized. Keeping in mind that the 's' score in connection with a WhenToTest settlement event defines where the guild will be offered.

[Gigantus]

Using a guild building's name as a hidden_resource may result in faults. Try using a unique name for the hidden_resource.
Looking through the EDB and export_descr_guilds file makes me believe that it may be hard coded. The hidden_resource explorers_guild will obviously be for the explorers guild but is not used in the building conditions. Same with the 'chapter' hidden_resources for teutonic and santiago knights.

[Miguel_80]

Ok Gigantus. I'll try with another hidden resource name, just in case...

Although I will make it better by “triggers”. I think that the guilds only obey the "triggers".

What I don't understand is for what comes those resources in the regions

York_Province
            York
            england
            English_Rebels
            230 30 35
            iron, coal, wool, atlantic, explorers_guild, woodsmens_guild
            5
            3
            religions { catholic 90 orthodox 0 islam 0 pagan 5 heretic 5 }

[Gigantus]

The resources cool, wool and iron are trading resources. In M2TW they do no thave any function in descr_regions and can be removed.

[Miguel_80]

Remove resources in the “descr_regions.txt”? If it isn’t written the iron or coal resource, for example, mines cannot be created. Those who don’t serve are those of the guilds. You referred to that?

Greetings

[Gigantus]

You are thinking of Rome TW - in M2TW the trading resources in descr_regions have no function and can be removed. Mines are enabled via descr_sm_resources in M2TW.
The guild entries are proper hidden_resource entries as referenced in the EDB.

[Miguel_80]

Ok. Can I delete resources in “descr_regions” without causing problems?

building hinterland_mines{
    convert_to hinterland_castle_mines
    levels mines mines+1 
    {
        mines city requires factions { northern_european, middle_eastern, eastern_european, greek, southern_european, }  and resource silver or resource gold or resource tin or resource iron or resource sulfur or resource marble or resource coal
        {
            convert_to 0
            capability
            {
                mine_resource 4
            }
            material wooden
            construction  2 
            cost  2000 
            settlement_min large_town
            upgrades
            {
                mines+1
            }
        }

If they are in the “descr_strat” is it enough? Good to know for saving work.

Greetings