Would the Basternae make a good faction?

[James the Red]

There are two slots left, would the Basternae be a good choice for factionhood?

[Cohors_Evocata]

There are two slots left, would the Basternae be a good choice for factionhood?

One slot left.

Well first, you'd have to identify, to a decent level of confidence, just who they were. That's far from a straightforward proposition.

Also, in gameplay terms, where the hell they would actually start.

[QuintusSertorius]

Well first, you'd have to identify, to a decent level of confidence, just who they were. That's far from a straightforward proposition.

[James the Red]

I see. Oh well, then.

[Kravixon01]

I didn't know anything about them, so I wiki'd it. Stuff like "The original homeland of the Bastarnae remains uncertain" is probably why Quintus responded that way. But without your question I'd had never known these people existed.

[Roma_Victrix]

I didn't know anything about them, so I wiki'd it. Stuff like "The original homeland of the Bastarnae remains uncertain" is probably why Quintus responded that way. But without your question I'd had never known these people existed.

I think I learned about them from the first Europa Barbarorum. I believe their homeland or at least area of activity was roughly in the neighborhood of modern-day Moldova and southwestern Ukraine, along that stretch of the Black Sea, right? In either case I don't think they were significant enough to have their own faction in the game. Peoples like the Celtiberians, the Arverni, and the Getae were far more consequential to the course of European history given their conflicts and interactions with the Roman world.

[Ἀπολλόδοτος Α΄ ὁ Σωτήρ]

I believe their homeland or at least area of activity was roughly in the neighborhood of modern-day Moldova and southwestern Ukraine, along that stretch of the Black Sea, right? In either case I don't think they were significant enough to have their own faction in the game.

Wasn't that during the early roman imperial times? At the EB2 start date they could have been further to the north-west...

[Cohors_Evocata]

I think I learned about them from the first Europa Barbarorum. I believe their homeland or at least area of activity was roughly in the neighborhood of modern-day Moldova and southwestern Ukraine, along that stretch of the Black Sea, right? In either case I don't think they were significant enough to have their own faction in the game. Peoples like the Celtiberians, the Arverni, and the Getae were far more consequential to the course of European history given their conflicts and interactions with the Roman world.

Wasn't that during the early roman imperial times? At the EB2 start date they could have been further to the north-west...

They seem to have been present near the Northwestern coast of the Black Sea by the end of the 3rd century B.C., but not before that. I think the consensus is that they came from ​somewhere to the north-west of that, but from where exactly? That would already leave them not fulfilling one prerequisite for an EB II faction.

[Ἀπολλόδοτος Α΄ ὁ Σωτήρ]

They seem to have been present near the Northwestern coast of the Black Sea by the end of the 3rd century B.C., but not before that. I think the consensus is that they came from ​somewhere to the north-west of that, but from where exactly? That would already leave them not fulfilling one prerequisite for an EB II faction.

Guess I was wrong then, they were present at that location quite earlier.

Somewhat off topic: Personally, I think Skordiskoi would make a good faction, although I did say that a few times on this forum previously...

[Roma_Victrix]

They seem to have been present near the Northwestern coast of the Black Sea by the end of the 3rd century B.C., but not before that. I think the consensus is that they came from ​somewhere to the north-west of that, but from where exactly? That would already leave them not fulfilling one prerequisite for an EB II faction.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Kravixon01]

I imagine that's one of the problems with a Gothic faction as well?

[alex33]

The most likely faction I can think of are the Belgae. One reason alone why they would make sense is they could be the rivals of the Pritanoi (who are kinda the "read headed step child" of the team already because they were put on the chopping block by some as it seems from their preview) so it could make their campaign quite interessting. I talked with brennus about them over at the Org and he told me of one awesome unit concept that could maybe be in theory in their roster which made me really excited for them. Also their little place on the map is "empty" rn. I never really noticed how little space there is actually left on the map until I speculated over a painted EB 2 map which the 2 new ones could be.

The other one could be something Illyrian or in the deeper balkans like the scordiscii who could be quite cool and would make nice rivals for the boii who i never actually saw on the campaign map before and the getai but i dunno how much archeological and historical research is availible about them

[Jurand of Cracow]

The other one could be something Illyrian or in the deeper balkans like the scordiscii who could be quite cool and would make nice rivals for the boii who i never actually saw on the campaign map before and the getai but i dunno how much archeological and historical research is availible about them

To my mind this is the area on the map where some space for additional faction still exists. I think lllyria would fit there, it'd also help keep a bit of a check on Rome, and I think there's enough archeological material exactly from the mid-3rd century BC.

[XDeath007]

Syracuse or Belgae would be nice!

[BHL 20]

Belgae are already a certainty. Look at the New Guys in the recruitment viewer for EB 2.3, they have Belgae Spearmen.

[Genava]

Belgae are already a certainty. Look at the New Guys in the recruitment viewer for EB 2.3, they have Belgae Spearmen.

Regional units are not a good indication to speculate about a faction. But yes, it is possible that the Belgae will be the last faction. Suessiones/Suaeuconi a tribe that had a big territory under their king Diviciacos, or the Bellovaci who were the strongest during the time of the Gallic wars. It could be the Eburones, the Nervii or the Treviri if the team want to represent celto-germanic faction but it would be a transgression on their will to keep an historical accuracy (they appear very lately in the region).

[Tactics Mayers]

Would there be enough units slots to warrant giving another 2 extra faction though? The current unit roster is larger than EB1's full roster and still there are many more units yet to be made.

[QuintusSertorius]

There are still many, many more regional units to be made. Particularly the steppe regionals.

[Roma_Victrix]

I think it would make a lot more sense to make either an Illyrian faction or an Odrysian Kingdom Thracian faction in the Balkans, or a Syracusan Greek faction in Sicily.

[alex33]

I think it would make a lot more sense to make either an Illyrian faction or an Odrysian Kingdom Thracian faction in the Balkans, or a Syracusan Greek faction in Sicily.

IIRC it was already said there will be no further hellenistic faction. And I'm kinda ok with that. We have quite many Greeks ingame already so it would just be another "copy paste" hellenic roster anyway.

While I would love a thracian faction, and I already asked if they would be possible, I think the team also said no to this.

I for myself thought of the odryssian kingdom. It would be nice to restore it to its former glory. and it actually lasted quite long. But i've checked an old thread of mine at the org where i asked the same question and the dev's said while interesting it's very unlikely bc the thracians lack unity and the team lacks a dedicated historian on thracians.

From the arabia preview the prerequisits for the inclusion of a new faction into the mod so we can keep on speculating like the nerds we are:

Before any faction can be included in EB, it must first meet certain pre-approved conditions. These conditions include existence at the start date (272BC), desire/historical precedence for expansion, availability of good sources, uniqueness, and military prowess among others.

I also made a thread back in 2015 (o.O by athenas grace thats quite long ago) about this and the Illyrians and the thracians were winning! I'll link it here because there were some amazing ideas in there but PLS don't necro it:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...-faction-slots

Also here is a (not entierly correct) campaign map