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    Default People vote with their feet.

    From the BBC:

    Huge cost of Iranian brain drain

    The number of young Iranians wanting to leave is increasing
    "Today we are going to talk about jobs," says the English language teacher to his class in Tehran.

    And it's better jobs they're all after.

    They're preparing for what's known as the IELTS (International English Language Testing System) exam - a requirement for emigration to many countries like Canada and Australia.

    Everyone in the class wants to go abroad.

    "The main point for going out of Iran is we have no job security here and there is economic tension," says 32-year-old travel agent, Nazaneen.

    The number of educated young Iranians trying to leave the country appears to have increased in the last year since President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took office judging by the numbers sitting the IELTS exam.

    The figures have increased two-and-a-half times this year over the same period last year, according to the Australian administrators of the test.

    Student dreams

    A year ago, the International Monetary Fund said Iran had the highest rate of brain drain of 90 countries it measured.

    "We work from morning till night and still we cannot live off the money we make but over there we can have a better life with less hours of work," said Shabanzade, a hairdresser in Tehran who wants to emigrate.

    Engineering students at Tehran university
    Millions are being educated, only for a large proportion to leave
    "There are economic problems and no job security and no freedom," says another student who hopes to go to Australia.

    The teacher, who lived in England for many years, says most of his students dream of a better lifestyle abroad.

    "They have friends and relatives abroad and they've heard lots about it but living abroad is not as easy as they think it's going to be," warns Mohammad Azadi.

    Registering for the exam these students are preparing for is a nightmare in Tehran - let alone passing it.

    Hundreds of students start queuing to put their names down more than 12 hours before the kiosk opens.

    Best minds

    "I came here at 2300 and it was so cold," says Azadeh, who has been standing on the pavement outside the ministry of education building all night.

    She wants to study abroad and then find a job. She has no plans to return to Iran.

    According to the IMF more than a 150,000 of the best young minds in Iran are leaving every year.

    "They want to go abroad to find a decent job, well paid - that's the main purpose... A minority wants freedom and liberty, but the main point is jobs," explains Siavosh who's hoping to move to Australia.

    It will be months before these students can do their language test. Then they will join the long queues outside foreign embassies in Tehran.

    And the cost to Iran of not stemming this brain drain - one government estimate put it at nearly $40bn a year.

    It is a terrible indictment of Iran's economic planning that it is educating millions of its youth, but cannot offer them a future worth staying for.
    This isn't the only problem facing Iran. A far more pressing problem is the degradation of its oil infrastructure which, if it continues, will force Iran to choose between domestic consumption or oil exports, its major source of cash.


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    YES! Come on iranian genius', come to my country...We have a good record of having well contented muslims.

    edit: come to Dearborn, Michigan. Its the muslim capital of the U.S.
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    Default Re: People vote with their feet.

    Lol, I just got the title...

    I'm a fast one. And just maybe all the good, smart Muslims will leave the country so the bullseye target becomes a little less guiltless to hit...
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    Default Re: People vote with their feet.

    Reminds me of the drain brain out of East-germany and the collapse it eventually caused(although the situation was alot more complicated due to there being a West-germany.)

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    Don't Iranian leaders know that all they need to do is pass a mandatory living wage, forbid companies from firing employees and provide welfare indefinitely to the tiny number of people that would not be able to find work? Surely doing those three things would make Iran an economic paradise.
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    Default Re: People vote with their feet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    Don't Iranian leaders know that all they need to do is pass a mandatory living wage, forbid companies from firing employees and provide welfare indefinitely to the tiny number of people that would not be able to find work? Surely doing those three things would make Iran an economic paradise.
    Haha! I'll use something like that from now on.

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    Ah, yes. People leaving for a better economic climate... wait, economic? I wouldn't stay in Iran if I could avoid it... the loss of educated personell is going to bring Iran down economically and then socially, in pretty short order.

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    Default Re: People vote with their feet.

    They also voted with pencils against Ahmedinejad's party in the last local elections.
    Let's face it: Ahmedinejad has become very unpopular in Iran, especially amongst the younger generation.

    If left alone Iran will be a much more liberal and modern in 20 years time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    They also voted with pencils against Ahmedinejad's party in the last local elections.
    Let's face it: Ahmedinejad has become very unpopular in Iran, especially amongst the younger generation.

    If left alone Iran will be a much more liberal and modern in 20 years time.
    Maybe but when threatened the theocracy that actually controls Iran has a good rep for cracking down on the students. If Ahmedinejad becomes too much of a problem he'll simply disappear and the real power will step in to restore their 'order'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Maybe but when threatened the theocracy that actually controls Iran has a good rep for cracking down on the students.
    When did they ever crack down on students?
    During the hostage crisis for example they actually supported the students, despite the huge damage to international relations they caused.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    When did they ever crack down on students?
    During the hostage crisis for example they actually supported the students, despite the huge damage to international relations they caused.
    Umm, I think if you look a little deeper into the hostage debacle you'll find that 'support' isn't exactly the right word. In fact, it's oddly euphemistic, as though the Khomeneists didn't have a hand in the hostage taking. That said, I'm fairly certain that Khomeneist Iran wasn't really that worried about "international relations". We're talking about a regime which planned the bombing of a Buenos Aires social centre, killing hundreds.

    I think if you scanned the news more often, you would find that, while 'crack down' might not be the best semantic choice, there have definitely been student riots, students imprisoned, students injured, and students killed protesting the regime's policies. This is particularly true of students in the predominantly Kurdish areas.


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    Default Re: People vote with their feet.

    I don't know. Its cyclic, I think. I mean they just voted for the guy they kicked out; they are aiming for a balance, its just a different centrepoint to the one we Westerners are used to (and accept)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    I don't know. Its cyclic, I think. I mean they just voted for the guy they kicked out; they are aiming for a balance, its just a different centrepoint to the one we Westerners are used to (and accept)

    I think Iran's situation is different.
    Iran always used to be one of the most liberal and tolerant countries, the great number of women on important positions is evidence for that.
    But then the Shah took over with a brutally oppressive dictatorship.
    After the Shah the Iranians were angry, so the anti-American Islamists (remember America was the biggest supporter of the Shah) were very popular.

    But slowly the time of the Shah gets forgotten, especially by the younger generation, so Iran slowly gets back to it's ancient tradition of liberalism and tolerance.

    Maybe it is cyclic, but I think Iran's center point is a lot closer to Western countries than most people realize.
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    yeah Erik I agree, most people look at me with an eyebrow raised when I tell them that most iranians dont like Ahmedinejad at all. I'd compare him to george bush actually. Both presidents just got dealt a blow to the nads with a referendum, and both presidents have to deal with half the country hating them.

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    It is unfortunate, however, that the people who have the greatest stake in change - the educated young and professionals- are leaving, and those who are mired in, resigned to, or beneficiaries of the current order are staying. That said, I think there is hope for Iran so long as external influences don't excite nationalistic or religious tendencies. One can't help but think the Middle East would be a much different place if Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh's regime hadn't been overthrown.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristophanes View Post
    It is unfortunate, however, that the people who have the greatest stake in change - the educated young and professionals- are leaving, and those who are mired in, resigned to, or beneficiaries of the current order are staying. That said, I think there is hope for Iran so long as external influences don't excite nationalistic or religious tendencies. One can't help but think the Middle East would be a much different place if Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh's regime hadn't been overthrown.
    What ifs are pointless. What if the Soviet Union hadn't invaded Afghanistan? What if the British hadn't invaded Afghanistan (and I don't mean recently)? Yes, it'd be far different... what we really need to do is look ahead. A no-intervention policy is now impossible, given the whole nuclear situation and the threats over that. The best possible course is simple damage limitation...

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    I like how this sounds. Let's convince all the smart people in the countries we despise to come over and live in the free paradise that is America! Then we can laugh and rejoice as their economies go to hell!
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