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    In our current political climate, the term "cuck" -- short for "cuckservative" -- has become an insult of the so-called alt-right, aimed at men they view as spineless and emasculated. The slur has its roots in the concept of cuckolding, or having an adulterous partner.

    But, according to a recent study by David Ley, Justin Lehmiller and the writer Dan Savage, acting on cuckolding fantasies can be a largely positive experience for many couples, and hardly a sign of weakness.
    References to cuckolding appear in literature as early as the 13th century, usually in the form of male characters who fear that their child has been sired by another man during an act of infidelity. Today, however, cuckolding has become fetishized into a powerful sexual fantasy for some men, who get aroused by the idea of their romantic partner engaging in sexual activity with someone else. Women also share this fantasy, but less so than men.
    "This fantasy has been around as long as marriage and sexuality," said Ley, whose book "Insatiable Wives" addresses cuckolding in heterosexual couples. "But we're hearing more and more about it these days, and more people are rejecting the social stigma against this fantasy."


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    Indeed, the numbers suggest that cuckolding, or at least thinking about it, is more common than you might imagine. For his forthcoming book, "Tell Me What You Want: The Science of Sexual Desire and How It Can Help Improve Your Sex Life," Lehmiller surveyed thousands of Americans and found that 58% of men and about a third of women had fantasized about cuckolding.
    "Men are more likely to fantasize about cuckolding, and they do it more often -- but there are a number of women who have these fantasies as well, which points to the need for more research focused on women's cuckolding desires," Lehmiller said.
    Initially viewed as a heterosexual phenomenon, it's increasingly prevalent among gay men, too. "I'd long gotten letters from straight couples into cuckolding (usually initiated by the husband), but none from gay couples until after marriage equality began to gather steam," explained writer and activist Savage. To learn more, Savage joined with Lehmiller and Ley for a study of cuckolding fantasies and experiences in 580 gay men.
    Their findings suggest that there are similarities between the way gay and straight men view cuckolding, but clear differences, too. Most notably, interracial and BDSM themes don't appear to be as common in gay men's cuckolding fantasies as they are among heterosexual men. The motivations behind these fantasies may also be different.
    Part of what makes cuckolding arousing for heterosexual men is that they tend to view it as a taboo act. "In a society or culture that idealizes monogamy, the cuckold fantasy is a current narrative that is available to people to conceptualize their sexual fantasies," said Ley.


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    But that may not be an influence for everyone. "For gay men, cuckolding isn't quite as taboo because the norm of lifelong monogamy isn't so strong in the LGBT community; however, it can still be arousing for a number of other reasons," said Lehmiller. For instance, fantasies about voyeurism and group sex seem to overlap with those about cuckolding in these men. "It's a sexual desire that can be easily customized to meet a wide range of sexual needs and desires, whether it's taboo sex, novelty, voyeurism or something else," he told me.
    And the emotions surrounding seeing your partner with someone else can add to the turn-on, explained Savage. "It's not cuckolding if there isn't an element of humiliation, degradation or denial," he said. "Our erotic imaginations have the ability to turn shame lemons into delicious kink lemonade."
    As a sex therapist, one of the more intriguing findings from this study involves the impact of cuckolding on relationships.
    "Overall, our research found that for the most part, cuckolding tends to be a positive fantasy and behavior," said Ley. "It doesn't appear to be evidence of disturbance, of an unhealthy relationship, or of disregard for one's partner." But there's an important caveat, added Lehmiller. "We found several personality factors that predict more positive experiences acting on cuckolding fantasies. For those who have a lot of relationship anxiety or abandonment issues, who lack intimacy and communication, and who aren't careful, detail-oriented planners, acting on a consensual non-monogamy fantasy could very well be a negative experience," he said. "In other words, not everyone who has a cuckolding fantasy should think about acting on it."
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    Remember that sometimes just sharing a sexy thought can be arousing enough -- you don't have to follow through. If you are thinking about acting on a cuckolding fantasy, it's worth stepping back first and making sure your relationship is in a good place and that you have strong sexual communication skills.
    "For men and couples considering the issue of cuckolding, it's important there be honesty, integrity, communication, mutuality and shared values," advised Ley. "I've seen men who try to trick their wives into cuckolding them, and this never, ever ends up well."
    For couples who do decide to move forward, it's important to take things slow. "The reality of watching your spouse have sex with someone else -- or knowing they're doing it, if you're not there -- is often very different than the fantasy. It can dredge up powerful emotions, so take baby steps and keep talking and communicating," said Savage. "That said, the rewards can be amazing, according to couples who have successfully folded cuckold play into their relationships."
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    Before you ask, no, this isn't really me making fun of liberals or ''cuckservatives''. It's a prominent liberal medium promoting cuckoldry. Not my fault. They did it.
    The author of the study is a New York psych, and New York has a notable liberal preference.

    My earliest conclusion would be: are liberals simply embracing and/or trying to normalize what would be otherwise a negative stereotype? It has worked in the past for homosexuals for instance. Flamboyant gays are now widely accepted part of society. So could be cuckolds. At the same time, eradicating ''toxic'' masculinity is currently part of the liberal agenda, and cuckolding is indeed based on de-masculinisation, which is part of where the ''cuck'' mockery came from: the stereotypical portrayal of liberal, feminist, men as effeminate, low testosterone beta males or ''soy boys''.

    So, are we going to see ''cuck pride'' parades in New York? It wouldn't be an innatural evolution of the progressive agenda, since polyamory is part of it as well.

    On the other side, while what consenting adults do in their private bedroom is their business, that doesn't equate to promoting such lifestyles as healthy.... which is what CNN is doing. Is it really social progress? Do we really want to build a society based on such role models? The more I look at it, the more the conservative arguments about ''slippery slope'', ''degeneracy'' and ''decadence'' make sense to me.

    Are we ready for, or do we really want ''strong, empowered cuckolds''? And do we want to let them in charge of immigration policies based on what their bedroom fantasies are?

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    The entire "scientific" premise of the article is nonsense, considering this:

    The present study investigated fantasies about and experiences with cuckolding in a large and diverse sample of predominately gay-identified men (N = 580)
    Which kinda undermines the whole evolutionary psychology underlying the emotional distress. Interpreting that as being applicable to heterosexual couples makes these experts come across as frauds, not that Dan Savage's BA in Theatre lends much to his scientific credentials. The other two should know better.
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Though I think it's a different sample from the original study, that names ''thousands'' of people interviewed and a 58% positive rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Though I think it's a different sample from the original study, that names ''thousands'' of people interviewed and a 58% positive rate.
    That's in Lehmiller's upcoming book, so we don't get the methodological details. If reliable, it says something, but not necessarily what's seemingly being implied by juxtaposing it alongside the other study. Surveys have indicated that anywhere from 31-57% of women have had rape fantasies. I'm doubting you can extrapolate from that the percentage of women who have had (or would have) a positive experience with rape.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    I think it should be clarified that, scientifically of course, cuckolding is only beneficial to white males.
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    Has science gone too far? Yes, yes it has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    That's in Lehmiller's upcoming book, so we don't get the methodological details. If reliable, it says something, but not necessarily what's seemingly being implied by juxtaposing it alongside the other study. Surveys have indicated that anywhere from 31-57% of women have had rape fantasies. I'm doubting you can extrapolate from that the percentage of women who have had (or would have) a positive experience with rape.
    I thought the study was about some benefits of couples acting on fantasies. You are being critical about positive experiences regarding pretty horrible things -- not really the same. Of course this whole thread seems to lack any sense of science, so maybe your post was spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    That's in Lehmiller's upcoming book, so we don't get the methodological details. If reliable, it says something, but not necessarily what's seemingly being implied by juxtaposing it alongside the other study. Surveys have indicated that anywhere from 31-57% of women have had rape fantasies. I'm doubting you can extrapolate from that the percentage of women who have had (or would have) a positive experience with rape.
    Agreed. The way it's framed:

    But, according to a recent study by David Ley, Justin Lehmiller and the writer Dan Savage, acting on cuckolding fantasies can be a largely positive experience for many couples,
    Implies that the "recent study" they linked supports this conclusion, when in fact it focused only on a specific demographic. Either the incorrect study was linked, or they just figured people would see "recent study" and that there was indeed a study linked and take their word about the conclusion. Either way, dubious "science" is involved in backing up this claim.

    Has science gone too far? Yes, yes it has.
    If we accept that this as science, then I concur it has gone way to far. As in, found the line and then pole-vaulted across it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorseThing View Post
    I thought the study was about some benefits of couples acting on fantasies. You are being critical about positive experiences regarding pretty horrible things -- not really the same.
    In fact, the emotional aversion to cuckolding and the emotional aversion to rape, both arise from pretty much the same evolutionary concern - maintaining control over one's own reproductive investment. Rape may additionally involve physical violence, but even when the violence is mild (no injury) or nonexistent, the rape is usually still traumatic. Of course people can now engage in sex without risking pregnancy, but a significant portion of the aversion seems to be hardwired.

    However, none of that is relevant to the point of my last post, which was actually about flawed methodology and the framing Axis Sunsoar just illustrated.
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NorseThing View Post
    I thought the study was about some benefits of couples acting on fantasies. You are being critical about positive experiences regarding pretty horrible things -- not really the same. Of course this whole thread seems to lack any sense of science, so maybe your post was spot on.
    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz
    In fact, the emotional aversion to cuckolding and the emotional aversion to rape, both arise from pretty much the same evolutionary concern - maintaining control over one's own reproductive investment. Rape may additionally involve physical violence, but even when the violence is mild (no injury) or nonexistent, the rape is usually still traumatic. Of course people can now engage in sex without risking pregnancy, but a significant portion of the aversion seems to be hardwired.

    However, none of that is relevant to the point of my last post, which was actually about flawed methodology and the framing Axis Sunsoar just illustrated.
    To further explain, catching/ discovering one's spouse was engaged in sexual activity with another partner, even with no physical violence or injury, would also be traumatic generally. This comparison is in no way to equate the trauma of discovery spousal infidelity to the trauma of being forced into unwanted sexual activity to which one does not consent, it merely illustrates the problem with doing a study about people's fantasies and making the jump to assume a positive to acting on said fantasies. In short, its just another point which further calls into question already questionable science.

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    Well my wife rarely has sex with me. But when she does have sex, she screams! Especially when I walk in on her!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis Sunsoar View Post
    To further explain, catching/ discovering one's spouse was engaged in sexual activity with another partner, even with no physical violence or injury, would also be traumatic generally. This comparison is in no way to equate the trauma of discovery spousal infidelity to the trauma of being forced into unwanted sexual activity to which one does not consent, it merely illustrates the problem with doing a study about people's fantasies and making the jump to assume a positive to acting on said fantasies. In short, its just another point which further calls into question already questionable science.
    I agree that walking or just listening in would be traumatic. However this is a thread about Gay Men fantesies and comparing the fantesies to heterosexual men. The trauma of discovery is not even a part of this study. Of course I use the word 'study' in a bit of a casual manner since even though Justin J. Lehmiller has a PhD, this does not appear to be an academic study. More like a grad student paper for an assignment.

    This 'study' is simply click bait. No better for science than http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/l...b7Kz&ocid=iehp
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