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    Default Ahistorical name for Persian Gulf in unit description

    hello guys.
    im so surprised because in description of Afluku navy unit picture in a campaign with parthia i play , i saw Unhistorical name for persian gulf!
    According to many Historical Documents the gulf is named Persian gulf not arabian gulf.
    so i want to ask eb team to fix this mistake in the next version.
    thanks.

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    Default Re: Unhistorical name for persian gulf in unit description!

    Nonsense: we all know that this body of water is the Lower Sea, as designated in the days of glorious Sargon. Stop trying to cover up our Sumero-Akkadian past!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohammadsaeed View Post
    hello guys.
    im so surprised because in description of Afluku navy unit picture in a campaign with parthia i play , i saw Unhistorical name for persian gulf!
    According to many Historical Documents the gulf is named Persian gulf not arabian gulf.
    so i want to ask eb team to fix this mistake in the next version.
    thanks.
    Yeah, I think I noticed that one too, but then forgot about it. "Persian Gulf" is indeed the common English name for the place.

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    Yep, Strabo and Ptolemy referred to it as "Persian", while "Arabian" is modern usage. I'll make a fix at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kull View Post
    Yep, Strabo and Ptolemy referred to it as "Persian", while "Arabian" is modern usage. I'll make a fix at some point.
    "Arabian" is only "modern usage" by a handful of gulf countries. Almost everyone else and all geographical authorities from National Geographic to the UN to the British Cartographic society to the CIA fact book list it as the Persian Gulf. In other words I really don't know where you're getting your modern usage from.

    Don't take my word for it. Here's Wikipedia:
    On almost all maps printed before 1960, and in most modern international treaties, documents and maps, this body of water is known by the name "Persian Gulf"
    Read the section on third parties here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pers...naming_dispute

    Everything is sourced and cited, feel free to look at the primary material if you're one of those "don't believe what you see on Wikipedia" types.

    Look, most of the issues that people debate in this day and age have gray areas and there's usually some validity to both sides of the argument. But not every issue is like that.

    Some, like this one are really simple and there's clear evidence on one side and a well-established consensus in the international community about what to call this body of water.

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    Default Re: Unhistorical name for persian gulf in unit description!

    Like I care about anything modern and political....it was incorrect usage in the mod and now it's fixed.
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    Default Re: Unhistorical name for persian gulf in unit description!

    I mentioned this mistake not because im Iranian but because i want to play a more historic accurate game.
    and I did not want to insult The past of no nation .
    all old civilizations are respectable.
    so im waiting for next version.
    thanks you all.

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    Default Re: Unhistorical name for persian gulf in unit description!

    I believe it was referred to as Ἐρυθρὰ Θάλασσα Erythra Thalassa (Walker, S Digital Cartography Harvard University, Journal of Hellenic studies, 2013, pg 63) In Seleukid era fell under control of Strategos of Tylos and the Islands

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    Default Re: Unhistorical name for persian gulf in unit description!

    Quote Originally Posted by Basileos Antiokhos Euergetes View Post
    Ἐρυθρὰ Θάλασσα Erythra Thalassa
    Well, we can't have two Red Seas now, can we...
    "First get your facts straight, then distort them at your leisure." - Mark Twain

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    Default Re: Unhistorical name for persian gulf in unit description!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ἀπολλόδοτος Α΄ ὁ Σωτήρ View Post
    Well, we can't have two Red Seas now, can we...
    No I suppose not

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