Rise of Extremist nationalist right in Europe?

[Gungalley]

Hi, are the extremist nationalist right on the rise in Europe? I'm referring to those xenophobic types (many refused to be labelled as racist or white supremacist even tho they clearly are). These groups seem to claim that they are rising in power and it is inevitable that they will take over. Sure sounds scary, but is it true? I was watching those neonazi videos on youtube which publicize and glorify their activities (such as whacking up a harmless person 5 to 1), and they comments many viewers give were disturbingly supportive.

I also find it ironic that the skinhead culture (the racist one) seem to popular in Russia. These neonazis (yes they call themselves that) support Hitler fanatically, which is ironic, because didn't Hitler call the Russians subhuman and wish to subjugate them? Its crazy to support the ideology that affected and damaged so much of your nation isn't it.

[Tiwaz]

Yes and no. Rightwin is getting popularity but considering how miniscule they are in size in most nations their chances to get in actual power are rather low.

As example Austria and their rightwing leaders some years ago. Election resulted in such backlash from rest of Europe that their leader had to step down.

[Gungalley]

Thanks for your answer. Are you Austrian? Your flag doesnt look very Austrian tho. :p Is there anything to fear from this so called rise of the extreme right wing?

[wilpuri]

Yes. They are coming. Be afraid, be very afraid.

As example Austria and their rightwing leaders some years ago. Election resulted in such backlash from rest of Europe that their leader had to step down.

European democracy at its best, surely.

[MoROmeTe]

They might be a vocal minority, but they are by no means able of pulling an electoral victory over the more moderate democratic elements. And I believe coups in the EU are nowadays pretty much out of the question, so the right wing is not to be feared on a grand level. However they can be annoying and even threatening at times because of their potential for violent activity...

[Rhah]

There has been a noticeable rise in the numbers of the extreme right in Britain over the last decade or so.
But, there will always be decent people willing to stand up to them, so the chances of them ever wielding any power are slim (though not impossible obviously)

[the Black Prince]

they are on the rise, they are vocal, and they are visible, but as yet, they're not close to forming a government, or in britains case, even getting a single seat in parliament

[Shaun]

I cant comment on the rest of Europe, but in Britain they may now be a vocal minority, but they certainly wont get power any time soon. WW2 wasnt that long ago, many people still remember the struggle against a extreme right power.

[Hound_Of_Culann]

I wouldn't say that. Vlaams Belang, a rightwing ultranationalist party in Flanders (federal community of Belgium) currently is the largest party in my country... And we would feel it, were it not for the coalition of parties who are all working together against VB to block them from having any real power. They have about 40% of the (according to studies, mostly less educated and unemployed ) population behind them, but thanks to the coalition of the left wing and the moderate right, they don't have much of a say in the parliament.

They talk about banning gay marriages, instating curfews for teens, banning softdrugs, replacing the current (very influential) worker's unions with their own personal (puppet) union, increasing military spending (what the hell do we need a military for?), increasing police presence on the streets, making every immigrant assimilate completely into the Flemish culture or otherwise be evicted, and worst of all officially pardoning every Fleming who every collaborated with the nazi regime. When you take a look at their official viewpoints on their website, you'd think it's a hilarious parody. Studies indicate the VB party is the most popular party for youths.

They have a very clever propaganda machine specifically targeted to youth, distributed by their youth wing. Of the 4-5 people I know in school who are interested in politics, 2 are VB supporters. The media is a double-edged sword: they are very biased against the VB party, but are also biased against immigrants. When immigrants commit a crime, the headlines read 'immigrants robs store'. When a white person robs a store, the headlines will read 'armed criminals rob store'...

They also support many neonazi and extreme rightwing groups, unofficially ofcourse, through political 'backdoors'. If this party is not an extreme rightwing party, then nothing is.

If the nazis ever take power throughout europe, then here's where it will start.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlaams_Belang

[wilpuri]

So may be Belgium should discard democracy, since it obviously isn't working their way? I mean, they've tried already by banning the largest party in the country in 2004.

[Hound_Of_Culann]

So may be Belgium should discard democracy, since it obviously isn't working their way? I mean, they've tried already by banning the largest party in the country in 2004.

Actually, I think the Belgian people should seriously reconsider their views, especially for the working class. Because it's them who will take the biggest hit, should VB get into power, not the immigrants. They'll lose the unions, a great deal of social security, and Belgium (or should I say Flanders?) will no longer be a welfare state. Decent pensions before age 65, they can kiss it all goodbye. That's also a reason why most large businesses are VB advocates, because it'll diminish the power of the unions. All of this is BAD for the average factory worker... But why the HELL are they still voting for VB? Somebody should tell them the truth, and spread the message, that VB isn't going to remove immigrants in order to fix a problem, but because they're racist, nazi white power ****s.

[wilpuri]

Actually, I think the Belgian people should seriously reconsider their views, especially for the working class. Because it's them who will take the biggest hit, should VB get into power, not the immigrants. They'll lose the unions, a great deal of social security, and Belgium (or should I say Flanders?) will no longer be a welfare state. Decent pensions before age 65, they can kiss it all goodbye. That's also a reason why most large businesses are VB advocates, because it'll diminish the power of the unions. All of this is BAD for the average factory worker... But why the HELL are they still voting for VB? Somebody should tell them the truth, and spread the message, that VB isn't going to remove immigrants in order to fix a problem, but because they're racist, nazi white power ****s.

Its good that Europe has plenty of decent people like yourself, willing to educate the electorate on who they may vote for and who they shouldn't vote for. You simply sing the same old tune of denying the problems and demonizing the nationalists. For shame.

[Princeps]

Its good that Europe has plenty of decent people like yourself, willing to educate the electorate on who they may vote for and who they shouldn't vote for. You simply sing the same old tune of denying the problems and demonizing the nationalists. For shame.

You could actually present an arguement that could be properly analyzed. You have nothing. You present endnotes, no footnotes.

What he claimed is serious. They take the benefits of the people and support corporations. They get their popularity from the people with the typical far-right rhetoric when they cannot provide anything substancial for the common people. It's obvious why the youth, who are more likely concerned with these "problems" you hold so obvious, would vote for a party like this. They do not have the same experience as a the more older people have about life, and thus have less respect for the comforts of a welfare state or less comperhension about how the system works. IMO.

Fear-mongering is always a good way to get votes.

[Hound_Of_Culann]

Its good that Europe has plenty of decent people like yourself, willing to educate the electorate on who they may vote for and who they shouldn't vote for. You simply sing the same old tune of denying the problems and demonizing the nationalists. For shame.

Am I saying there are no problems in present day Belgium and its immigration policies? No. What I'm saying is that VB is a two-faced party who is trying to win the elections in an undemocratic way. That is, by misinformation. The only thing their fliers ever say are that putting an end to immigration and multiculturalism will benefit the Flemish people as a whole, while, somewhere in the back of their manifesto, they include a few small lines stating how they want to decrease government spending on social security, which will only hurt one social class int he whole country: the exact people who vote for them. they have broken many different laws against hate crimes, and have passively participated in racist violence by supporting and financing criminal white supremacist groups. All of this has been uncovered and publicized, but the party denies it every time.

I'm just saying, if the true extent of their political agenda was known among the working class, they'd know better than to vote for the party that wants to ruin them. They aren't voting for this party out of their own free choice, but due to misinformation! No, of all things, I'm not telling the the people who they should vote for, I'm just telling the nazis to lay their cards on the table and stop lying to people. But they won't, because they know they'll lose pretty much all their voters. People are free to vote for their party of choice, but parties must be fair and square with the voters. Either stop tucking away your negative intentions and provide the voters with a fair and balanced view, or stay out of politics altogether.

[VALIS]

there far-right isint going to get power in britain anytime soon.

although in france LePen nearly got into power.

[the Black Prince]

of of the good aspects of the rise of the right, especially in Austria, was that it ignited a flurry of protection laws at the EU level aimed at preventing discrimination, especially based on race and religion. If that belgian party wnats to do some of what it sduggests above, it'll either have to leave europe first, or face incredibly fines from the ECJ and the Commission.

[eurolord]

Rhar,

There will always be decent people willing to stand up to them, will there really??? By your own definition, there were no decent people in Germany and Austria in the 1930s.

The rise of the far right in Europe is inevitable. The sooner people accept that we are already at war with Islam and its followers in the western world, the better.

Yes, I am far right wing, and I suppose some of the more stupid ones on this forum would would say I am a Nazi. Do I give a damn, no!!!

I don't fall for all the pro-Islamic rubbish that is spread on these forums.

Not a very PC post, is it??

Eurolord

[Shaun]

Rhar,

There will always be decent people willing to stand up to them, will there really??? By your own definition, there were no decent people in Germany and Austria in the 1930s.

Yes, I believe that there will always be decent people to stand up to the neo nazi's. His definition does not imply that there were no decent people in Germany and Austria in the 1930's at all. He didnt say anything about the decent people being numerous enough to actually stop them, but only to stand up to them.

The rise of the far right in Europe is inevitable. The sooner people accept that we are already at war with Islam and its followers in the western world, the better.

No, we are not at war with Islam at all. Thats just what the extreme right want people to think. The average Joe Muslim does nothing against me, so why are we at war then?
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[Rhah]

Rhar,

There will always be decent people willing to stand up to them, will there really??? By your own definition, there were no decent people in Germany and Austria in the 1930s.

The rise of the far right in Europe is inevitable. The sooner people accept that we are already at war with Islam and its followers in the western world, the better.

Yes, I am far right wing, and I suppose some of the more stupid ones on this forum would would say I am a Nazi. Do I give a damn, no!!!

I don't fall for all the pro-Islamic rubbish that is spread on these forums.

Not a very PC post, is it??

Eurolord

Eurolard,

Germany and Austria in the 1930's had not yet experienced what the extreme right were ultimately capable of. 6 years of total war and 50 million dead, and I suspect that Europe and the rest of the (sane) world must have learnt that lesson the hard way. Its a different world now and people are much more politically and socially aware compared to the 30's.

The only way any far right party could ever come to power in the UK will be by slowly integrating themselves into the political system over several decades. And the only way that they could ever do that would be to abandon some of their core principles, thus it negates the problem somewhat. The BNP are a prime example of this.

There will never be any kind of far-right coup' in Britain because the (mostly moderate) people would not stand for it, and I suspect the military would not either (though i'm sure some sections of it would welcome it....)

As for the war against Islam..... Its only becoming so because people like you on both sides of the conflict are making it so. The rest of us reasonably minded folk are just getting stuck in the middle as usual. In fact, there is probably some Muslim guy on an arabic forum somewhere with the name "Arablord" spewing the same sort of vitriol as yourself.

[Carach]

As for the war against Islam..... Its only becoming so because people like you on both sides of the conflict are making it so. The rest of us reasonably minded folk are just getting stuck in the middle as usual. In fact, there is probably some Muslim guy on an arabic forum somewhere with the name "Arablord" spewing the same sort of vitriol as yourself.

islam forces its "holy war" on the west upon us Rhah, you can sit there with ears covered shouting lalaala its not happening all you want, but it is.

ummm, that's not what he said at all, actually. He was asking if far right extremist nationalist parties were on the rise. He never said anything about being on the right makes you a racist.

how about you go read the quote which i commented on LR? go on..