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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    How so? Do you think it's intentional or an inherent, unconscious bias? What exactly did they say that made their videos (I'm guessing about the Sasanian Empire) anti-Iranian, as you say? It might seem that way given how they've messed up a few historical details here and there and fail to grasp bigger pictures, but I don't think that means they are anti-Iranian.
    because the few battles that involves Iranian faction as one side of the conflict is those that was a defeat for them. not even one battle with Iranian side to be victor (Not just Sassanids even one battle regarding Achaemenids was again a defeat for them). This of course follows the same attitude of glorifying west that exists in all other medias (youtube or not) so nothing especial about this channel !



    Edit : the first time I discovered this channel was yesterday through recommendation that was a video about Battle of Al-Qadisiyyah which was actually a re-telling of same fairytale that muslim invaders said about their Campaign against Sassanid Iranshar. (looks like Arabs are as good as greeks in making up stories and sell them as facts !)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kambiz View Post
    because the few battles that involves Iranian faction as one side of the conflict is those that was a defeat for them. not even one battle with Iranian side to be victor (Not just Sassanids even one battle regarding Achaemenids was again a defeat for them). This of course follows the same attitude of glorifying west that exists in all other medias (youtube or not) so nothing especial about this channel !

    Edit : the first time I discovered this channel was yesterday through recommendation that was a video about Battle of Al-Qadisiyyah which was actually a re-telling of same fairytale that muslim invaders said about their Campaign against Sassanid Iranshar. (looks like Arabs are as good as greeks in making up stories and sell them as facts !)
    Hah! I never noticed this pattern if that's the case. If it's any consolation Historia Civilis covers the Battle of Carrhae, which admittedly has been beaten to death and focused on way too much, but is nevertheless a Parthian victory over a Roman army (led by Crassus).


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    I'd gladly do a series not only on the Roman-Persian wars, but on campaigns in Central Asia too
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    I could probably do the Sassanian Wars. Especially the campaigns of Ardashir and his son Shapur.

    I'd be willing to join this YouTube alliance. My specialties would be in warfare, some politics and some biographical elements. Subjects that I can cover quite well include the Hittite Empire, Cyrus the Great, Marcus Antonius, the Three Kingdoms, the Sassanian Wars (in particular Ardashir and Shapur), the Carolingian period (so specifically Peppin, Charlemagne, Louis the Pious and the succession war of Louis' heirs), the Sengoku Jidai (in particular the careers of Oda Nobunaga and his father, Takeda Shingen and his father, Uesugi Kenshin, Tokugawa Ieyasu and to some extent his father and grandfather as well as Imagawa Yoshimoto, somewhat Toyotomi Hideoyshi though I have trouble arranging the pieces after say 1583), the Wars of Louis XIV (except for the Spanish Succession), Nader Shah, the Seven Years War, the Napoleonic Wars, the Franco-Prussian War. Obviously because I can source the hell out of it.

    I sent an email to King and Generals but he did not respond, I probably did it wrong.

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    BTW I also recommend the channel Caspian Report. Shirvan, who lives in Azerbaijan, used to work for a news agency and he was the European correspondent. After lots of people were let go he decided to open a YouTube channels and talk about politics, although he also covers things like the history of Islam and the Muslim conquests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D E C View Post
    I'd gladly do a series not only on the Roman-Persian wars, but on campaigns in Central Asia too
    Central Asia was the crossroads of so many civilizations, including the Persians, Sogdians, Scythians, Greeks/Macedonians, Han Chinese, Arabs, and Turkic and Mongolic nomads. Its overall history ties all of these threads together neatly in some cases.

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    I could probably do the Sassanian Wars. Especially the campaigns of Ardashir and his son Shapur.

    I'd be willing to join this YouTube alliance. My specialties would be in warfare, some politics and some biographical elements. Subjects that I can cover quite well include the Hittite Empire, Cyrus the Great, Marcus Antonius, the Three Kingdoms, the Sassanian Wars (in particular Ardashir and Shapur), the Carolingian period (so specifically Peppin, Charlemagne, Louis the Pious and the succession war of Louis' heirs), the Sengoku Jidai (in particular the careers of Oda Nobunaga and his father, Takeda Shingen and his father, Uesugi Kenshin, Tokugawa Ieyasu and to some extent his father and grandfather as well as Imagawa Yoshimoto, somewhat Toyotomi Hideoyshi though I have trouble arranging the pieces after say 1583), the Wars of Louis XIV (except for the Spanish Succession), Nader Shah, the Seven Years War, the Napoleonic Wars, the Franco-Prussian War. Obviously because I can source the hell out of it.
    The alliance grows more powerful by the day! Soon we shall have YOUTUBE. Kings and generals from afar will come and pay tribute.

    I sent an email to King and Generals but he did not respond, I probably did it wrong.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/CaspianReport
    BTW I also recommend the channel Caspian Report. Shirvan, who lives in Azerbaijan, used to work for a news agency and he was the European correspondent. After lots of people were let go he decided to open a YouTube channels and talk about politics, although he also covers things like the history of Islam and the Muslim conquests.
    Shirvan is cool, I've seen a ton of his videos, both the historical documentaries and his focus on contemporary politics (including those on Iran, Russia, China, or the EU, respectively).

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    Kings and Generals, Baz Battles, Caspian Report, Skallagrim... they will all fall to their knees. They will give us their earth and their water.

    Actually I have a few blog posts that I could turn into videos. In addition to this my brother wants to do reviews of Deadliest Warrior and I have two buddies who would be willing to do stuff as well. My brother has some video editing skills, one of my buddies does too and is also decent with graphics software. I myself took Graphic Design in college for 3 months and can work my way around a map. I personally can't do animation for , nor do I have any video editing skills though.

    I'm hoping that Kings and Generals will respond to me so that I can help him write at least one video. Wouldn't know what event to do though. Actually I envision a large coalition with Baz Battles and Kings and Generals in order to wrest control of YouTube.

    There was also this video that a guy sent me, though it seems nothing came of it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdqsFENMnLo&t=27s

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    Quote Originally Posted by kambiz View Post
    I've said it in the channel and say it here that it could've been much better if it wasn't all about glorious west !!! especially in my opinion it is anti-iranian a bit
    This is actually a unique opportunity because that means someone could make a lengthy series about it and essentially have no competition from other channels. I actually would love to see a youtube series on the Parthians and the Sassanids. If you have some good sources you can probably message a few of these channels and offer to write some episodes on the period focusing on the Persian perspective.
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    My thinking exactly. Natural born entrepreneur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    Hah! I never noticed this pattern if that's the case. If it's any consolation Historia Civilis covers the Battle of Carrhae, which admittedly has been beaten to death and focused on way too much, but is nevertheless a Parthian victory over a Roman army (led by Crassus).
    Looks like at least you (in the west) finally confirmed one victory for Iranian side in over 1000 years of relation between Iran and Romano-Greeks !

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    Lol at the ambition here.

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    Earlier I said that the Cyrus Cylinder was a Babylonian record, I actually meant the Nabonidus Chronicle when I said that.

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    Here are some channels you can all watch, let's start a revolution.
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    The thought never really occurred to me that you could produce series of that kind. While I am not particularly an American Revolution enthusiast I suppose most of this information could be applied on a universal level in many areas of military history.
    Thanks for sharing, I'll be sure to check it out.

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    I was reading some Frankish history in preparation for something. I found this interesting passage from Einhard's Life of Charlemagne.

    "Ultimum contra Nordmannos, qui Dani vocantur, primo pyraticam exercentes, deinde maiori classe litora Galliae atque Germaniae vastantes, bellum susceptum est. Quorum rex Godofridus adeo vana spe inflatus erat, ut sibi totius Germaniae promitteret potestatem. Frisiam quoque atque Saxoniam haud aliter atque suas provincias aestimabat. Iam Abodritos, vicinos suos, in suam ditionem redegerat, iam eos sibi vectigales fecerat. Iactabat etiam se brevi Aquasgrani, ubi regis comitatus erat, cum maximis copiis adventurum"



    If Einhard is to be believed then King Gutfred of the Danes intended on conquering Germania and adding it to his kingdom.

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    I stumbled across this video. It is noticeable that because of TW Three Kingdoms this period of Chinese history has gained some attention in the past year. As the Three Kingdoms (specifically the career of Tsao Tsao) is one of my best areas I feel that I am more than suited to criticize the video. Generally these videos spend way too much time giving backstory instead of focusing on the actual topic. In this instance a video that is supposed to be about the "Battle of Guandu", which is actually the Guandu campaign as a whole, spends a good amount telling us about how the Han Dynasty was collapsing. In particular it brings up Dong Zhuo and the Yellow Turbans despite the fact that Guandu was a contest between Tsao Tsao and Yuan Shao.

    -First claim is that Dong Zhuo came to power as a result of the rebellions in 184. The rebellions of 184 refers to the Yellow Turban revolt in which Taoist peasants led by a religious folk leader tried to overthrow the Han Dynasty. Most of the revolts were concentrated in the north eastern portion of China. However Dong Zhuo was still an officer in Liang province all the way in the west. In fact he was sent as part of a campaign to fight the Yellow Turbans and was defeated. After which he was employed as one officer in putting down the subsequent rebellions by Han rebels and their Di, Yuezhi and Qiang tribal allies in Liang, but had only mixed success.

    -The video says that "he was charged with restoring order to the realm and by 189 his task was complete". The actual Yellow Turban Revolt was largely put down by Huangfu Song, Lu Zhi and Zhu Jun. In fact it was the up and coming Tsao Tsao and Sun Jian who served under these against the Yellow Turbans.
    Meanwhile in Liang province the government sent Zhang Wen and Huangfu Song to put down the Han rebels and their tribal allies. Dong Zhuo was promoted for his role and ordered to be sent off into Bing province. Dong Zhuo refused and chose to stay in Liang knowing that if he went to another province he would be giving up his power base. Many of the Di, Qiang and Yuezhi who were defeated ended up under the command of Dong Zhuo later on, which gave him a military advantage. Sun Jian suggested to Zhang Wen that Dong Zhuo be put to death for his refusal, something which Zhang Wen did not heed.

    -Then the video says "with the army at his back Dong Zhuo did not stand down and marched on the two capitals... initially Dong burned the eastern capital Luoyang and then situated himself within the walled western capital Chang'an".
    Except that Dong Zhuo did not do this until after he had already seized power. This happened in the spring of 190 when Dong Zhuo was forced to abandon the capital after the Eastern Alliance surrounded the capital. Chang'an was the old capital in the times of Qin and Western Han. When Liu Xiu defeated the usurper Wang Mang in 40 AD, he moved the capital to Luoyang and started the so called Eastern Han, which Han Dynasty scholars argued was just a continuation of the old order before Wang Mang overthrew the Dynasty. Anyway, Chang'an was a prestigious city, had decent walls but more importantly was to the west closer to Dong Zhuo's base in Liang province.

    -I should explain how Dong Zhuo took power in the first place. By 189 the Yellow Turban rebels and the rebels in Liang province had mostly been defeated. Emperor Ling died and was succeeded by his oldest son Emperor Shao. The court was dominated by prominent eunuchs called the Ten Attendants but also Emperor Ling's mother, the old Dowager Empress. Empress He also had a stake and wanted her young son Liu Xiu to take the throne. Empress He had her brother He Jin made the commander of the army and brought him to court to increase her power. However before Emperor Ling died he was raising and training a new army which was under his control rather than a provincial or feudal army. This army (Army of the Western Garden, as in the Emperor's garden) was technically the Imperial Guard but had been significantly expanded and included officers such as Tsao Tsao, Yuan Shao, Yuan Shu and others. The army was under the command of the influential eunuch Jian Shuo. Now to increase her power Empress He had the dowager poisoned and He Jin plotted to overthrow the eunuch faction, in which he was supported by his subordinate Yuan Shao. In order to increase the likelihood of his success in this coup he ordered Dong Zhuo to bring troops to the capital. During the coup He Jin was assassinated by the eunuchs, the eunuchs were purged by Yuan Shao and Dong Zhuo but with the death of Jian Shuo, He Jin and the Ten Attendants this created a severe power vacuum. Dong Zhuo having recently arrived with some troops was able to take over both He Jin and Jian Shuo's armies and install himself as Chancellor with the support of Empress He. Afterwards he had Empress He killed, had Emperor Shao killed and placed Liu Xie as his puppet Emperor (as Emperor Xian).What he did in power was to purge the eunuchs, purge the officers in the capital, kill scholars and courtiers which were against him and purge entire families which could turn on him. Important officials and officers ran off to start their own rebellions, in particular Yuan Shao who started a coalition with various provincial authorities, nobles and feudal lords. When Dong Zhuo started to lose ground and Luoyang was on the verge of being lost to these rebels he evacuated the city, took all the treasures including those from the Imperial graves and burned the city. Then he relocated to Chang'an in the west where his waning power led him to become exceedingly paranoid and ordered more purges and executions. Until finally he was assassinated by his officer Lu Bu at the behest of various officials, nobles and ministers. This however was not supported by Dong Zhuo's army who was still loyal and Lu Bu and the Imperial court were chased out of Chang'an by Dong Zhuo's generals. But within the year these generals began warring with each other. There is an inherent bias in the historiography against Dong Zhuo. After all purging the eunuchs and corrupt officials was greatly supported. Nor did he emulate their corruption as he promoted based on meritocracy and did not promote his most loyal officers as one normally expects. His lack of legitimacy and extreme brutality was probably what did him in since he was unable to garner support from people like Sun Jian or Tsao Tsao who chose to support Yuan Shao's coalition instead. His assassins were also very corrupt and they attempted to hide this by punishing scholars who wrote negatively about them (specifically minister Wang Yun)... but I digress.

    -Dong Zhuo started his "reign of terror" around the time when he took Luoyang. Not necessarily after he had retreated to Chang'an. Dong Zhuo went to Chang'an in the spring of 190 and was killed in spring of 192.

    -"Yuan Shao's slowness had likely cost him the Empire".
    This is the common view of the whole contest between Yuan Shao and Tsao Tsao. The video skipped over pretty much everything that happened from 192 to 200 but I suppose since I complained that they focused too much on back story this is fair enough. Still the relationship between Yuan Shao and Tsao Tsao was intricate. For example it was due to Yuan Shao's influence that Tsao Tsao was appointed to govern Yan province in 193, the two also formed an alliance and waged war on Yuan Shu and his supporters on multiple occasions. I don't really think that Yuan Shao was in a position to do anything other than what he was already doing. Maybe he could have gone and captured Emperor Xian from the ruins of Luoyang but keep in mind that Tsao Tsao did this as a minor expedition which nonetheless required much of his attention as he had to fight his way through the passes against the local warlords in order to reach Luoyang. Yuan Shao was busy fighting Gongsun Zan in Bing province and subduing Qing province as well as trying to maintain his powerful army, organizing and consolidating his territory and ensuring economic growth; the consequences of a century of decline and abandonment. When Yuan Shao decided to war with Tsao Tsao he was advised by some to consolidate his realm instead and wage war with Tsao Tsao at a later time. However one could also make the argument that at the current rate Tsao Tsao would have been able to match Yuan Shao's army and resources sooner or later. Yuan Shao only died two years after the Battle of Guandu in 202 and his wanting to secure the north before his untimely demise must have also been a factor. So we have two titans which border one another and are going to clash eventually and in 200 it was largely believed that Yuan Shao had the advantage.

    -As for the actual campaign and battles portion. It was okay, more or less what I expected. There is something odd with calling this whole thing a battle when really it was a campaign. The actual "battle" was Yuan Shao besieging Guandu and various engagements fought in that general area. Though I'm glad that this focus on "battle" did not affect the actual content of the video.

    -They don't give any numbers (early on they mentioned 40,000 vs 110,000 but not sure why they chose these numbers specifically)... well figuring out the size of both forces is challenging because sources are all over the place. One source claimed that Yuan Shao had 1 million soldiers. Other sources say 500,000 or 200,000. I've also come across secondary sources giving estimates of 70,000 to 150,000 for Yuan Shao's army. Tsao Tsao's forces are given as anything from 10,000 to 50,000. My estimate is about 20,000 to 40,000 for Tsao Tsao and 30,000 to 60,000 for Yuan Shao. Really the sources are being extremely liberal with reporting on these numbers. Most of these battles were fought by contingents as well, which of course relied on operational maneuver. An example: the engagement at Yan Ford between Yuan Shao's 6,000 cavalry and Tsao Tsao's 600 cavalry. We could say that Tsao Tsao's 600 cavalry is an accurate figure but a detachment of 6,000 cavalry for Yuan Shao is too large since Yuan Shao allegedly had 10,000 cavalry. Aside from that 600 troops routing 6,000 sounds absolutely nuts.

    -They don't mention that after Liu Bei rebelled in Xu province and was chased out by Tsao Tsao he joined Yuan Shao. Where as Liu Bei's officer Guan Yu was captured and joined Tsao Tsao. Yuan Shao actually employed Liu Bei as a general and commanded the 6000 cavalry contingent alongside Wen Chou at Yan Ford. Later when Yuan Shao laid siege to Guandu he had Liu Bei lead a detachment to attack Tsao Tsao's capital. Nearby to the city of Xuchang there was a rebellion carried out by a man called Liu Pi. Liu Bei joined forces with him and marched on Xuchang but a sortee by Tsao Ren defeated them at Yinjiang.

    -Addressing the end bit of the video. Yuan Shao died two years later in 202 and his territory was split between his two sons. While logically one would assume that they became easy pickings for Tsao Tsao this wasn't really the case. Even in 201 when Tsao Tsao crossed the Yellow River to capitalize on his success at Guandu, it only led to Tsao Tsao taking the local fort at Cangting, suffering from logistical problems and a stalemate between Tsao Tsao and Yuan Shao when he came to relieve the fort. After which Tsao Tsao withdrew back into his own territory. He spent much of 201 and 202 carrying out only limited campaigns against local rebels and bandits and seizing the dyke at Suiyang as well as administering his realm as well as implementing the Tuntian military agricultural colony system. It isn't until the end of 202 that he tries to invade Yuan Shang and Yuan Tan but is again faced with the same logistical issues. It is not until long and tedious campaigning of maneuvers and sieges that he is able to take the city of Ye in 204 but largely aided by bringing Yuan Tan over to his side against Yuan Shang. Then Yuan Tan decides that he isn't Tsao Tsao's lapdog so Tsao Tsao has to march all the way north to put down Yuan Tan and take Ji province. Immediately followed by exhaustive campaigning against local rebels and bandits, campaigns against the steppe tribes, the Wuhuan, Xiongnu and Xianbei into 206. Then the 207 campaign against an attempt by Yuan Shang to regain his territory but this time supported by the Wuhuan. Tsao Tsao's victory at White Wolf Mountain was so resounding that it led to the tribes paying tribute as well as the Gongsun Kang in Liaodong and Korea to accept Tsao Tsao's suzerainty over the Han Dynasty. Gongsun Kang actually captured Yuan Shang and Yuan Xi and sent their heads to Tsao Tsao. More so than merely making the Yuan brothers weaker, the issue was that with Yuan Shao dead a lot of the local authorities and governors decided to back Tsao Tsao. Regardless taking Ji province was very challenging for Tsao Tsao. Ye was a decent enough city that he relocated his capital from Xuchang to Ye (Wei commandery).

    "… When Yuan Shao rebelled against the order of Heaven and schemed to endanger the nation, he relied upon his numerous generals and soldiers within the land to rise against the court. But as it was at the time the Imperial forces were few and weak. The whole land was fearful and there were none that possessed a resolute will to fight. His lordship defended the great integrity of the Court and moved the Heavens with his spirit. He exerted his military prowess and employed his divine foresight personally at Guandu to defeat these degenerates, delivering the nation and the Emperor from danger. This, too, was His lordship’s work. He led his army across the great Yellow River and pacified the four provinces. Yuan Tan and Gao Gan were both beheaded; the pirates fled in disarray; the Heishan bandits submitted. This was also His lordship's work. The three tribes of the Wuhuan had instigated disorder for two generations, Yuan Shang joined with them and they seized and oppressed the north from across the frontier. His lordship led the troops through treacherous territory and destroyed them in a single campaign. This was also the work of His Lordship...” - Emperor Xian's edict in 213 which made Tsao Tsao Duke of Wei
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    Great post, Oda! I wish I could rep you for it. You're right, the video does get a lot of little details wrong, but I was actually content that they focused on the logistics of the campaign as a whole, including the obvious such as the burning of the grain depots, and not just the one engagement of Yuan Shao assailing the fortifications of Guandu.

    Unfortunately, though, the Ministry of Education of the People's Republic of China has issued you a stern warning to cease your subversive and capitalist roader activities, with your incessant, scandalous spelling of "Cao Cao" (in glorious government-approved Pinyin) by using the antiquated Wade-Giles Romanization "Tsao Tsao" instead. Even worse, you keep mixing the two, in a clear attempt to corrupt the youth of the People's Republic with ideas that such systems are compatible instead of being diametrically opposed. There is one people, one People's Republic, one leader, and one official Romanization system for Standard Chinese in the People's Republic. Be wary and halt this seditious behavior!


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    Yeah I combine the two because some spellings are better than others.

    How the heck did "Tsao Tsao" become "Cao Cao"? The soft "C" is stupid. China likes a lot of things soft; like soft rice, soft squishy meat and soft power.

    A quick note on logistics, the Chinese usually transported their supplies over waterways. Attempts to control rivers had been done since the Warring States. I mentioned the dyke at Suiyang because it was an important means for Tsao Tsao to control the waterways. A lot of the smaller rivers had been diverted and used as canals. On that map it shows a lot of smaller rivers flowing from the Yellow River but they were probably not that deep year round. That area was probably a marsh which aided Tsao Tsao in defending his fortress at Guandu. Since Tsao Tsao did not control any major waterways to the north he had trouble transporting his supplies in his campaigns against Yuan Shao and his sons.

    The adviser which defected to Tsao Tsao was Xu You. The general which defected at the end to Tsao Tsao was Zhang He which is considered one of the so called "Five Elite Generals". It's interesting that Yuan Shao lost so many generals in one campaign: He Mao and Wang Mo which were captured, Yan Liang and Wen Chou who died in battle, Xu You, Gao Lan and Zhang He who defected and Chunyu Qiong whom Tsao Tsao somewhat uncharacteristically put to death. Not sure why, the Tsao Man Zhuan has an interpretation but it is a notorious source for being anti-Tsao Tsao propaganda, for lack of a better word.

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    I'm sure most of you are familiar with The Great War - a fantastic YouTube channel - but also World War 2 now, hosted by the same Indy.

    But at the same time, YouTube is ripe with plenty of historical channels that cover all aspects from casual history, military history, history day by day... There's a thread below on Kings & Generals, which honestly deserves it's own thread because those guys are fantastic, but there's plenty of others that focus on a wealth of tiopics.

    Listing some of my favourite channels below:

    • The Great War
    • World War 2
    • BazBattles
    • Kings & Military
    • Military History Visualised


    What do you usually watch on YouTube? Recommend some channels!
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    Kind of light and fluffy but Infographics Show. Has a wide range of topics including history. Often a bit too much pop culture history but a good jumping off point.

    Others:

    Kings and Generals (this might be what you meant by Kings and Military)
    Invicta
    Half as Interesting
    Cheddar
    Real Life Lore
    Feature History
    Shadiversity
    CGP Grey
    Historia Civilis

    Regarding Great War and WW2...I'm disappointed that Indy jumped ship and started his own thing with a handful of the producers. I liked his relationship with the Great War team, and I'm worried their jumping directly into world war 2 rather than waiting a year to build up support and such (and even waiting for the 80th anniversary) might hurt them in the long run.
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    Indy Neidell has also teamed up with the Swedish band Sabaton to explain the history of the events featured in Sabaton songs, and the personal history of the band's connection with those songs.

    The first part was put up 2 weeks or so ago, and it was focused on the song 40:1 about the Polish Army in the WW2 Battle of Wizna.




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