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    "The Second World War- Martin Gilbert
    The Second World War - Antony Beevor
    The Second World War - John Keegan"

    Jesus Christ! No wonder...


    "The Battle for China- (Essays) Various"

    I love these essays but this isn't the way it should be used. What they needed was an actual book(s) about the Sino-Japanese War.



    "The Rommel Papers- Erwin Rommel, edited by B.H. Liddell-Hart"

    No! Bad! Not only is this source over 40 years old but it is written by Basil Liddell-Hart. The man has a strong reputation but basically everything he writes is propaganda which he recycles from what was already said by German generals. Liddel-Hart also takes credit for being the inspiration for Guderian and therefore Blitzkrieg even though there exists no evidence for this. Not only was Liddel-Hart not that influential in Germany, but Guderian wasn't responsible for Blitzkrieg either. I mean Blitzkrieg isn't actually a thing, it is just a fancy term that some British newspaper or an Italian writer came up with like 20 years before WW2.


    "Operation Barbarossa by David Glantz

    Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the east by David Stahel"
    Glantz is okay but he gets some stuff wrong here and there. I can't remember but I think Glantz argues in favor of Operation Typhoon, and he apparently doesn't know anything about the Winter 1941 Soviet Counter Offensive, nor about Case Blue. The reason David Glantz is so dangerous is that he has a clear appearance of being authoritative, so many people will not realize these errors or simply shrug them off and claim that people who bring it up are in the wrong. Richard Overy actually dealt with those operations better, he correctly points out the folly of the Wehrmacht officer's "withdraw in the face of attack" mentality.
    I would say that David Stahel is actually much better, more so because he has various books about the war in the East.



    "A World at Arms by Gerhard Weinberg"

    There isn't a WW2 author alive who has more of their material debunked on a regular basis. For context this was also the guy who claimed that the disproven hoax "Hitler Diaries" were real. He also had a vibrant career of attacking other writers (actually in this field there is a lot of that... Richard Evans for example). Unfortunately Gerhard Weinberg is still a respected scholar, despite that few people would take him as their go to source. This guy is actually the reason why I think there is a fine line between people who know what they are talking about and academics.
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    If you know better sources why not try contacting them. At least the great war team replied and confirmed looking at the books I suggested about Romania in WWI - they didn't use them or even cover the battles of 1917 and 1918 but at least they bought them.
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    I'm not interested in giving them sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga View Post
    "Operation Barbarossa by David Glantz
    Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the east by David Stahel"
    Glantz is okay but he gets some stuff wrong here and there. I can't remember but I think Glantz argues in favor of Operation Typhoon, and he apparently doesn't know anything about the Winter 1941 Soviet Counter Offensive, nor about Case Blue. The reason David Glantz is so dangerous is that he has a clear appearance of being authoritative, so many people will not realize these errors or simply shrug them off and claim that people who bring it up are in the wrong. Richard Overy actually dealt with those operations better, he correctly points out the folly of the Wehrmacht officer's "withdraw in the face of attack" mentality.
    I would say that David Stahel is actually much better, more so because he has various books about the war in the East.
    Fully agree on the others, but Glantz is rather factual, thorough and detailed (judging by his other books, haven't looked at this one). Furthermore, if we disregard the benefit of hindsight (in which case: Why start a war against the USSR at all?!), then why the hell shouldn't the Soviets go for Moscow at that stage of the war? (The completely idiotic claim by Halder that they could've taken it by ignoring Kiev set aside for a moment). The battle of Moscow wasn't that big of a loss for the Germans, other than resulting in the loss of initiative. Which they also would have lost by stopping randomly somewhere. For the Soviets it was very costly as well.

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    David Glantz is pretty good but you have to supplement it with other material. For starters he claims that the Germans took no significant losses in the Soviet counter offensive after Moscow. Which is false, and this is largely due to Guderian's own incompetence. He also claims that the stand fast order may have saved the German army. Sounds rather disingenuous... actually Richard Overy states outright that it did save Army Group Center from collapsing.

    The Germans took a lot of losses during Operation Typhoon, irreplaceable losses which probably cost them the war. They also took losses in the Soviet counter offensive. Operation Typhoon had already been called off and the campaign had been halted so the loss of initiative was already there. It was known by planners that Operation Typhoon could not be accomplished due to a variety of factors. Not least of which because Leningrad was still holding out, but because the German supply problems had not been resolved. In 1941 the Soviets could afford casualties, they lost millions of men in the invasion phase of the war. The Germans didn't even get close to Moscow either, and that shows us how absurd Operation Typhoon was.

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    The Germans took a lot of losses during Operation Typhoon, irreplaceable losses which probably cost them the war.
    Well I say that with a bit more nuance - probably cost them the chance of some kind of maximum victory. I think something less that total defeat was still in the cards. Also fundamentally Japan failing to recognize that the Axis defeat of the USSR was the only way to balance the economic spread sheet (and that every bit of blood and treasure wasted in China was insanity) was apparently out of German hands, as sunch they likely were always fighting for not loosing.
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    More or less, yes. It was obvious that the Germans were not going to win and it would turn into a prolonged slog match. But the issue was more technical, that the Germans needed to make up these losses in men and material, and then deploy them to the front. All while preventing the Soviets from carrying out, or winning any major operations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga View Post
    More or less, yes. It was obvious that the Germans were not going to win and it would turn into a prolonged slog match. But the issue was more technical, that the Germans needed to make up these losses in men and material, and then deploy them to the front. All while preventing the Soviets from carrying out, or winning any major operations.
    That is really the crux. As soon as the USSR showed itself to be not France (that defeated itself) Germany needed to be laser focused on plan 2 - not loosing and stop thinking there was victory to be had. Obviously Germany could have done far more to mobilize its economy immediately and stop wasting resources on a pointless fight in North Africa. Seeing as that one (NA) absorbed an inordinate amount of fuel and motorized vehicles, planes and transports that really were needed on the Eastern front its impact in defeat is oft overlooked.
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    I mean, if that is the source list, then the source list is rather solid. It's not comprehensive, but then again you risk going into the absolute other hand of having too much information and it becomes an info dump.
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    There you go just click reply with quote and copy the link.

    I do love me some of that Black Prince. Najera was pretty cool but marching an army into Spain should be illegal.
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    Yes, sadly it was his demise despite great victory. It just showed how superior firepower will rule battlefield in upcoming wars and not heavy cavalry. The part about fighting between Pedro and his half brother Enrique after the battle of Montiel is also epic : Once there, after crossed accusations of bastardy, the two half-brothers started a fight to death, using daggers because of the narrow space. At a moment when they fought on the floor, Pedro got the upper side and was about to finish Enrique. But then Du Guesclin, who had stayed inactive for he was compromised to both, made his final choice. He grabbed Pedro's ankle and turned him belly-up, thus allowing Enrique to stab Pedro to death and gain the throne of Castile. While turning Pedro down, du Guesclin is claimed to have said "Ni quito ni pongo rey, pero ayudo a mi señor" (I neither remove nor put a King, but I do help my Sire), which has since that moment become a common phrase in Spanish, to be used by anyone of lesser rank who does what he is ordered or expected to do, avoiding any concern about the justice or injustice of such action, and declining any responsibility.

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    A good overview of the Dacian falx / Dacian sica / Thracian rhomphaia.
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