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    Default Re: New Town (Carthage AAR) [updated September 14, 2019]

    Nice new update!
    Question: Qart Hadasht is Phoenician for "New City" (as you obviously know, given the AAR title) and both Carthage and Carthagena (stemming from the Roman name Carthago nova = new "new town") had this exact same name. I assume when you talk about Qart Hadasht you're exclusively referring to the Iberian one, because that's the one ingame that has that name, right? Just to be sure because I tended to get confused from time to time.
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    Default Re: New Town (Carthage AAR) [updated September 14, 2019]

    Nice new update! I like the revelations, especially the one about Admago having acting honourably (effectively that probably means you made the game deliberately harder for yourself, by strengthening the opposition, right?)

    Question about Qart Hadasht, which is Phoenician for Carthage, which as you probably know (given the thread title) means "New city". Two cities had this exact same name, the Carthage in modern day Tunesia and Carthagena (from the later latin name Carthago nova) in Iberia. Only the latter carries in Rome II the original Phoenician name. I guess you're using the ingame names and exclusively referring to the Iberian one by that name? Because I've been confused at times when that name came up.
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    Default Re: New Town (Carthage AAR) [updated September 7, 2019]

    Very interesting developments indeed. I really liked this chapter, the tone and contents of it really speak to me. Hopefully the truth will reach all corners of Carthage's empire and that Admago's name is cleared from this disgrace though such a large stain, false or otherwise is not easy to destroy even when the truth comes out.

    (I didn't know you could resolve civil war diplomatically in Rome II. Guess I learned something today. Good work CA.)

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    Finally finished this after being recommended by Welsh Dragon. It was fascinating to read the change over time. It began as the historical account, as everyone has pointed out, and then included dialogue and finally personal accounts via the letters.

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    Only another 23 chapters to catch up on!

    Great read so far. I really like your format; short, sharp and colourful. I think those early troubles also really made your save, especially as a story. Your characters are developing nicely too!

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    Default Re: New Town (Carthage AAR) [updated September 14, 2019]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    Nice new update! I like the revelations, especially the one about Admago having acting honourably (effectively that probably means you made the game deliberately harder for yourself, by strengthening the opposition, right?)
    Thanks, up to a point I did, although if I didn't allow the opposition parties to command armies which were equivalent to their influence, the game would have given them armies anyway. The main point of the Truth about Tolosa chapter was that the chapters from the point of view of Nape, son of Sanais, were telling a twisted version of history. (Of course, Astarte daughter of Admago and Garafin, son of Passaris, the other narrators, have their own agendas too!).

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    Question about Qart Hadasht, which is Phoenician for Carthage, which as you probably know (given the thread title) means "New city". Two cities had this exact same name, the Carthage in modern day Tunesia and Carthagena (from the later latin name Carthago nova) in Iberia. Only the latter carries in Rome II the original Phoenician name. I guess you're using the ingame names and exclusively referring to the Iberian one by that name? Because I've been confused at times when that name came up.
    That's right, I'm using the in-game names. The capital of Carthage in north Africa is called Carthago in the game (and the AAR). Quart Hadasht is a Carthaginian colony in Iberia in the game (and the AAR, where it became the capital of Sanais's rebels in the civil war). I can see how this would be confusing! The civil war between the 'old' New Town (Carthago) and the 'new' New Town (Quart Hadasht) was meant to link the story to the title of the AAR.

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    Very interesting developments indeed. I really liked this chapter, the tone and contents of it really speak to me. Hopefully the truth will reach all corners of Carthage's empire and that Admago's name is cleared from this disgrace though such a large stain, false or otherwise is not easy to destroy even when the truth comes out.

    (I didn't know you could resolve civil war diplomatically in Rome II. Guess I learned something today. Good work CA.)
    Yes, Nape's attacks on Admago damaged his reputation, giving people the impression that he was a weak and indecisive leader. You're right, that reputation wouldn't be easy to erase, which may have inlfuenced an event in the next chapter.

    (I like the fact that civil wars can be resolved diplomatically too. Also, if you play as Athens, you start as a client state of Macedon. The obvious way for Athens to liberate yourself is to declare war on Macedon, although when I played as Athens, I found that it was possible - when Athens had become powerful enough and fought several wars alongside Macedon - to use diplomacy to change your status from client state to ally.)

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    Finally finished this after being recommended by Welsh Dragon. It was fascinating to read the change over time. It began as the historical account, as everyone has pointed out, and then included dialogue and finally personal accounts via the letters.
    Thanks, yes I'm enjoying trying out different styles of writing this.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaesarsSword View Post
    Only another 23 chapters to catch up on!

    Great read so far. I really like your format; short, sharp and colourful. I think those early troubles also really made your save, especially as a story. Your characters are developing nicely too!
    Thanks, short, sharp and colourful is what I'm aiming for. Good point, difficulties in a campaign can really help a story and its characters to develop.
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    Default Re: New Town (Carthage AAR) [updated September 14, 2019]

    Chapter 39
    The Last Shophet
    by Garafin, son of Passaris

    From Garafin, general of the Defenders of Egypt, to Passaris, governor of Panticapaeum on the Black Sea.

    There is a saying in Iberia, that men yearn to be remembered. Sanais, the proud general who started the civil war, will be remembered, but not fondly or with honour. When people talk of Sanais, they will remember a man who turned our people against one another. They will remember a man who started a war which cost us more than the Himpsal’s campaign in Iberia, or Mascarada’s defence against the Triple Alliance which ended after you led your army through the lands of our enemies to found the Black Sea colony.

    Three of Carthage’s finest armies joined Sanais’s Carthage in rebellion. The first was destroyed by my army at Memphis, the second was defeated by of Admago’s armies south of Rome, and the third was swept aside by Lusitani warriors, our allies, who were returning to their traditional lands in Iberia.

    By the time my army reached Iberia, the war was almost over. Sanais’s forces fell back to their last stronghold, the west Iberian port of Olisipo. My army was at full strength, so I commanded the attack. At first, the defenders allowed my army to see only a fraction of their strength.



    Perhaps they hoped that we would be overconfident and allow ourselves to be trapped in Olisipo’s streets. You taught me the necessity of using cavalry to scout ahead, so I knew the danger. When we defended our Black Sea colony from the eastern horsemen with their powerful bows, we learned how effective archers can be. My Egyptian archers can hurt the enemy badly and they don’t need horses, they only have to be faster than the heavy infantry they’re firing at. After the archers thinned the enemy hoplites, my Libyan and Carthaginian infantry met the enemy charge. After the enemy line broke, we couldn’t find Sanais, the rebel leader or his son, Nape. Some of my cavalrymen reported seeing a handful of ships leaving Olisipo’s harbour, so I believe they fled into exile. With only a few followers, Sanais will not threaten Carthage any more.



    This experience made me realise that Astarte, daughter of Admago, was right when she encouraged me to consider how to reunite a divided nation after the civil war. I guessed part of the plan. The nobles who followed Sanais died or fled with him. Most of the Iberian lands which the rebels owned now belong to their traditional owners, our allies. I didn’t foresee the next step.

    There was criticism of the slow response of Admago’s armies to the rebellion. Some blamed this on the endless debates along the Council in Carthago. Admago, who as Shophet was first among equals in the Council, has been proclaimed Emperor. If our Black Sea colony wishes to become independent one day, Sanais's defeat demonstrates that this must be achieved through diplomacy, not war.


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    This is a nice conclusion to the civil war sub-plot that has been going for that last handful of updates. I'd rep you, but as is so often the case, I can't Anyway, looking forward to see where things go next. I can't remember who the "real" enemies are anymore, but I assume you have plenty still to deal with.
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    Default Re: New Town (Carthage AAR) [updated September 29, 2019]

    Well written and done. So you get a vid when you win a civil war?
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    Default Re: New Town (Carthage AAR) [updated September 14, 2019]

    Like Kilo11 said a satisfactory conclusion to the civil war that has changed Carthage forever. When old enemies fall, new will eventually spring forth. Interested to see what Carthage will do with its newly formed government of state.

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