[The Elder Scrolls - Unofficial Patch 1.42] Black Drake

**Jadli** · January 05, 2023, 03:16 AM

Bump

**Mergor** · January 05, 2023, 05:46 AM

**Ventos Mustel** · January 05, 2023, 06:07 AM

yeah I'm going to call

on forcing Brokil to retreat halfway across the map instead of to literally any of the much closer garrisons in southern skyrim

**Jadli** · January 05, 2023, 06:10 AM

Since when it is allowed to exploit retreat mechanics and deny retreat? As one can see in the pics, you blocked many retreat paths (bridges, Morthal,..) to make the general retreat where you want him...

And anyway, if defeating a general more than a half dozen times to make him retreat where you want (while he still survies) across half Skyrim is not an exploit, than I do not know what is

**Jadli** · January 05, 2023, 06:37 AM

And furthermore, the fort had only 19 units inside, so you must have exploited the yoyo/fort retreat bug here as well, which is not allowed...

EDIT:

Mergor says Brokil had a unit that also survived

(so 2 orcs left in two units, nearly impossible to make that happen) ... really ridiculous... how many hours/days did you guys spend to exploit the game into making this possible

**Mergor** · January 05, 2023, 06:44 AM

No YoYo bug was used. The fort indeed had 19 units inside, and the defeated "army" had two units inside until the very last defeat, which killed the noble and allowed the bribe. The two unit "army" simply could not enter the fort.

Before first battle

Before second battle

Furthermore, nothing in the rules suggest that what we did was against the rules. If you need further proof, please wait for jimmy to wake up, he was the main architect of this move

**Jadli** · January 05, 2023, 06:57 AM

Exploit lists are never complete, cause there are many of them. Denying retreat of armies was generally not allowed by admins, at least in the hotseats I played/admined... another very basic rule you forgot during this HS...

Anyway, the exploit list in this HS includes "surrounding armies/navies to deny retreat" (which is quite literally what you guys did), "walls of units", as well literally "and more". Its quite clear this retreat exploit is against the spirit of these rules (and directly against the first one).

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