[The Elder Scrolls - Unofficial Patch 1.42] Black Drake

[Mergor]

I didn't really consult with Dragon regarding what kind of RP he'd write, but I really "convinced him" as the Tribunal, not the Thalmor. My reasoning has always been that since there is a stealmate in Cyrodiil and Morrowind, the only way he can expand and get strong enough to break the stealmate elsewhere, is to take the opportunity to finish Pelletine and Anequina

[Potatoto]

"I didn't really consult with Dragon regarding what kind of RP he'd write"

It is not about what kind of RP someone writes, but about open cooperation between BM and VH which is against faction rules.

"but I really "convinced him" as the Tribunal, not the Thalmor. My reasoning has always been that since there is a stealmate in Cyrodiil and Morrowind, the only way he can expand and get strong enough to break the stealmate elsewhere, is to take the opportunity to finish Pelletine and Anequina"

That is the point. You do not play into faction rules (again), but insteed like standard HS - that is fully cooperatings diplomactic and military actions of all your factions + Dragon's factions + Altmer faction.

PS: That is your recent message sent to me:

"I just don't understand one thing, why are you attacking Blackmarsh if huge forces are advancing up to the Imperial City? I can't really complain about Cheydenhaal, it is close, but unless you go back after taking that and refuse Blackmarshes peace offers, I might just think you are helping Telvanni out as a last ditch effort with your other faction Which would be arguably illegal, but I want to understand your reasons in case I am missing something."

just to point of level of hypocrisy you are showing again.

[Mergor]

But that is my point, Dragon wrote an RP that is not really true. I never worked together with Blackmarsh as the Thalmor, and I would have decided to suggest him attacking the Khajiits as the Tribunal even if I didn't play the Thalmor. I do play the Thalmor, which undoubtedly gave me an intel advantage that helped with the decision to go on with the attack, but that is not my fault, just a coincidence and the result of the HS becoming more straight forward as factions either die out or get stronger.

The difference between this and what I wrote you, is that this move makes sense, and serves the interests of Blackmarsh. Have you decided to surrender the Imperial city and push deep into Blackmarsh as the Empire, it would have served the interest of not The Empire, but Telvanni. And you didn't do that, you did what made sense for the faction, capture Cheydenhaal but not go deeper. That this serves the interest of both Blackmarsh and Thalmor can be a conflict of interest, I ain't denying that, but there is nothing I can do about it. The Thalmor has an interest in Elsweyr, Blackmarsh has an interest in Elsweyr, and this was the result.

[Potatoto]

"But that is my point, Dragon wrote an RP that is not really true. I never worked together with Blackmarsh as the Thalmor, and I would have decided to suggest him attacking the Khajiits as the Tribunal even if I didn't play the Thalmor."
"The difference between this and what I wrote you, is that this move makes sense"

No, it makes no sense whatso ever. It is obvious that BM's atack on Khajits only makes sense if that is in order to help VH. You saying that it is done in intrest of BM and it is "coincident" that it is also helping VH is nothink else than making fool out of us all. I hoped that after this over VH's army sent into Morrowind, such actions will be no longer part of the HS, but it seems I was very wrong...

"Have you decided to surrender the Imperial city and push deep into Blackmarsh as the Empire, it would have served the interest of not The Empire, but Telvanni."

Perhaps I should (or should have had). If some others does not give about faction rules and plying into the lore, then why should I or any other player...

[Mergor]

I'll bring you a historical example why this makes sense of Blackmarsh: in WW2, at a glance, Japan's decision to go to war with the US while being at an unfinished war with China was not very bright . But the (very dumbed down) reality was that Japan could never win the war against China with the resources it had, and it needed to strike out to get stronger, and not be suffocated by other powers in the future. In this case, Japan is Blackmarsh, China is Morrowind, and you can connect the other dots.

This situation is far from being the same as sailing up to telvanni with the Thalmor, as again, there is a shared goal here that would work even if I was not the Thalmor. And I have to repeat my point, that at this point of the game, there is almost no way to avoid a situation like this. When the Daggerfall Covenant attacks the altmers in a natural progression of conquest, should I claim that they are only doing it to help the Khajiits? I wouldn't.

[Potatoto]

"I'll bring you a historical example why this makes sense of Blackmarsh: in WW2, at a glance, Japan's decision to go to war with the US while being at an unfinished war with China was not very bright . But the (very dumbed down) reality was that Japan could never win the war against China with the resources it had, and it needed to strike out to get stronger, and not be suffocated by other powers in the future. In this case, Japan is Blackmarsh, China is Morrowind, and you can connect the other dots."

This example makes no sense there cus:
1. Factions from WW2 did not operate into any faction rules. They had different goals and therefore accordingly different approaches.
2. BM by atacking Khajits are not eliminating near-future competition, but opposite - create one. They place VH into Khajits spot which acording to faction rules wants to subject everyone.

"This situation is far from being the same as sailing up to telvanni with the Thalmor,"

Again you are just making fool out of us.

"When the Daggerfall Covenant attacks the altmers in a natural progression of conquest"

That is different. DC conquered Empire so it is natural, they will be looking for next target. Also such atack doesn't go against either faction rules, lore nor playing two faction separately. Those cases would be alike if Jadli would sent like 10 turns ago some stack(s) to atack Altmers. It that case it would be obvious he is doing it just to help out his other faction. He did not. He did not atack even untill now even through he easly could have as Colovia is done for a long time already.

[Isenbard]

What I gather is that according to Mergor, if we ignore Dragon's roleplay and assume that The Altmer won't form an open alliance with BM even when fighting Elsweyr, there isn't any problem at all.

Ok. Sounds reasonable that BM would take advantage of the end of the NAP with Elsweyr, gain more settlements and get stronger in the process, since its current strenght isn't enough to conquer all of Morrowind. The Khajit will be swept away by a two front war, and that's how it is. I would just like to have some reassurances from BM and both Summerset players that they won't co-operate together in this, because the faction rules of Veiled Heritance won't allow it as Potatoto has said many times.

Argonians and Altmer could even have a NAP of their own after Elsweyr has fallen I guess. Just not an alliance, meaning that they can't win together.

And could you Mergor please let the Khajit bastards out of their misery on the sea so Jadli could have a fair chance at an honourable death closing in from two fronts?

[Mergor]

I can publicly make a promise not to directly work together with Blackmarsh in ways that break my faction's roleplay rule as my Thalmor faction and that there won't be an in game alliance between the two factions, ever.

One thing to note is that I do want to win the HS, but I actually want to forfeit my win for my allies if it comes to it. So in a hypothetical scenario where Blackmarsh takes Morrowind and Altmers triumph over Daggerfall in some way, I'd want to let Percival and Dragon win (my logic being that I would have already died a horrible death if not for Blackmarsh's and Summerset's unwavering loyalty to my faction that is allied with them, one being VH on the altmer side, the other The Tribunal in Morrowind) so hopefully that is something that can work out.

As for the trapped army, unfortunately no, I cannot do that. Even now, it will be very hard to break the Khajiit defence and I can't forfeit my money drain advantage. You can't see that, but before Blackmarsh attacked, there was a parity of naval and land power between the altmers and Khajiit across all fronts. When I crushed Pelletine's and Anequina's forces, the lore capital Torval (the fact that I can only take it by besieging and that its almost a chokepoint) slowed me down enough for the Khajiits to rebuild their armies.

[PercivallKorrupt]

Requesting one day extension, tomorrow i should have. Don't mean to hold campaign up but clearing some things up and will have it everything up tomorrow

[PercivallKorrupt]

No news to report on Summerset.

Skyrim has some minor advancements and continues to press on Eastern Skyrim

Battle? ~ https://www.mediafire.com/view/0ny84...royed.jpg/file
Fort Sieged? ~ https://www.mediafire.com/view/42604...iege1.jpg/file
Fort Sieged ~ https://www.mediafire.com/view/apjzo...iege2.jpg/file

Duchy is up! ~ https://www.mediafire.com/file/kbnh9...hy_59.sav/file

[Potatoto]

Forebears up
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Idi...ew?usp=sharing

Defeated single BM's ship as Empire

[Jadli]

@Mergor @Dragon

The relations between Veiled Heritance/Summerset and Blackmarsh needs to be resolved... an "eternal" non agresson pact between argonians and the Heritance is definitely not possible.... Furthermore, why would the Heritance want to share with a lower race of argonians what they claim to conquer, i.e. Elsweyr... unless you are obviuosly going to fight over it or something like that afterwards.... But you guys simply shouldnt work together as these two factions...

@Mergor If you suggest that you can trade your win in the hotseat for not following lore rules, thats definitely not the way...

Orsimer up! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Orsimer_60.sav (Ural should be posting asap)

Colovia was finally destroyed! (Potatoto had more men than the limit in Chorrol originaly, but I was able to decrease the garrison below the limit by the battle...) Was a heavy fight throughout the HS to finally make this happen .... welp, still one more imperial faction to kill

Also take Haven as Pelletine

PICS

[Isenbard]

Eastmarch: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...stmarch_60.sav

[Ural]

Sory for delay - took rebeled settlement and killed imperial diplomat
Screens https://imgur.com/a/ZpFbVeB
Rock save https://www.mediafire.com/file/550ot...ck_60.sav/file

[paladinbob123]

sharnhelm land forces at dawnstar with wayrestarian shipping helping in support, with western skyrim gathering a army and a half against windheim,things looks bleak for eastern skyrim

turn to tribute temple
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vm4ro4jm3a...le_60.sav?dl=0

[Jadli]

maybe you shouldnt have sunk the orsimer ship a while ago


And still waiting on Dragon/Mergor to clear up the things about the eternal NAP...

[paladinbob123]

maybe you shouldnt have sunk the orsimer ship a while ago


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well i could cope with two factions against me...but having 4/5 is perhaps a little beyond my limit [winks]

[Mergor]

I don't think either me or Blackmarsh said anything about the eternal NaP

There won't be any deals or cooperation between us, but neither faction can be forced to attack one another, its that simple.

[Mergor]

This will be done by today evening

[Mergor]

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