America/Canada.. Soon to be one nation?

[humvee2800]

No America bashing please


Its fairly likely not that long from now (perhaps 10 or 20 years) America and Canada will unify. Quite simply necessity for America is pushing them towards it while Economic grwoth would boom on both sides. Eliminqating the border and tariffs alone would cause a huge economic boom for Canada. Granted some american business and a couple canadian businesses would go under but mainly due to innefficiency in the resulting new Market. Strategically America would get to position more of its anti missile defence stations and airfields and bases up north while Canadas own army would be broguht into the modern world as well as grow stronger. also this new nation of nearly half a billion (it would be about that number when the time for this all comes ) would skyrocket back to a position of world power as well as qeunch many of Americas resource needs and our industrial needs.

It would of course take a while because of weariness , for situation pushing us together to arise , and also for Canada to reach a deal to protect itself from being raped but its likely going to happen.

[VALIS]

thats stupid.

the french half of canada hardly even wants to be part of canada let alone the united states.

[LoZz]

thats stupid.

the french half of canada hardly even wants to be part of canada let alone the united states.

yep true - i also cant see normal canada wanting it ether.


canada has always done alot to seperate itself from the states and their war on the terror, i cant see them joining in the current climate

[Miraj]

America taking over Canada? Maybe. But you can count on me being the first to get the IEDs ready.

But frankly, I don't think America and Canada will never be one since the America won't have much to gain from such an endeavour. And also you are greatly underestimating our identity as a nation. Contrary to popular perceptions we're not just Americans that say "eh".

Canada being raped? Have actually looked at map? Do you know where Canada is? Is Japan planning a conquest that I have not been hearing about? Canadians are pretty ultra-lib and avoid conflict and nationalism. Even our conservatives are more to the left that America Democrats.

Canadians are different and don't have that big of a security problem that they feel a need to become America's vassal.

[happyho]

"Its fairly likely not that long from now (perhaps 10 or 20 years) America and Canada will unify. Quite simply necessity for America is pushing them towards it while Economic grwoth would boom on both sides. Eliminqating the border and tariffs alone would cause a huge economic boom for Canada." In case you didn't know it humvee Canada is the USA's biggest trading partner in the world, we already have a powerful economy and are part of the G8.

"Strategically America would get to position more of its anti missile defence stations and airfields and bases up north" We've already said no to a useless and paranoid money drain missile defense plan.

"while Canadas own army would be broguht into the modern world as well as grow stronger" What? Yes it is time we upgrade our spears and slings.

"also this new nation of nearly half a billion (it would be about that number when the time for this all comes ) would skyrocket back to a position of world power" USA is already the worlds number 1 power.

"as well as qeunch many of Americas resource needs and our industrial needs." I thought we already covered this. You can't have them.

"and also for Canada to reach a deal to protect itself from being raped but its likely going to happen." Raped? Very mature thing to say, whatever. No it will never happen, Canada is a sovereign nation and part of the Commonwealth of Nations, we see no need and have no desire to join the USA.

Before anybody starts flexing internet muscles about how strong the US is, remember the fact that several years later you still don't have control of a small nation like Iraq. Canada would be way too big to control, not only that but many of us would be right beside mirage41 setting surprises for any invaders. Add in the fact that we are allies and haven't fought each other since the war of 1812 and a military action becomes highly improbable if not impossible. In other words this type of thing will almost certainly never happen thankfully.

[danzig]

America taking over Canada? Maybe. But you can count on me being the first to get the IEDs ready.

His post was clearly non military based and more of a rather natural 'joining' but hey if you wanna break out the IEDs Ill be happy to Abu Ghraib you! Regardless cant see any union of US/Canada at anytime in future.

But frankly, I doubt any such scenario would ever come about. Its like pondering will Europe ever united under one big country, to what benefit would it be to its citizens. Many of the things stated can be done without US/Canada becoming 'one', I wouldnt want US/Canada relationship to change in fact if anything Id like to see the same develop between US/Mexico rather then change something that already works between us and our neighbors north.

[Mig el Pig]

while Canadas own army would be broguht into the modern world as well as grow stronger.

You really don't think they still ride around on mooses and poke enemies with a stick do you because Canada has a modern army.

[humvee2800]

You really don't think they still ride around on mooses and poke enemies with a stick do you because Canada has a modern army.

No, i did not say that, we have the skeleton of a modern army, We have the training and some of the small level equipment but the majority of our equipment for our 40 000 man army is not the best adding to the fact our armys frighteningly small for a nation our size

America taking over Canada? Maybe. But you can count on me being the first to get the IEDs ready.

But frankly, I don't think America and Canada will never be one since the America won't have much to gain from such an endeavour. And also you are greatly underestimating our identity as a nation. Contrary to popular perceptions we're not just Americans that say "eh".

Canada being raped? Have actually looked at map? Do you know where Canada is? Is Japan planning a conquest that I have not been hearing about? Canadians are pretty ultra-lib and avoid conflict and nationalism. Even our conservatives are more to the left that America Democrats

Where did i say taking over? Two countrys with such close ties do not always need to be forced together by military force , despite what you think. I also highly underestimate im misunderstaning anything seeing how i am in fact Canadian and live here in Winnipeg.

Truth be told im not underestimating anything, our identity is hardly much of a problem seeing how weak it is and still very similar to many americans in the northern states.

Nothing for America to gain? theres EVERYTHING to gain, access to many untapped resources, Water to Qeunch americas water needs which very soon will be unbelievably huge as well as space and a market of 30 million more people.

the french half of canada hardly even wants to be part of canada let alone the united states

They hardly matter, If the rest of Canada joins with america (which would likely be the case) they would be all on their own and although they could survive their living standard would go way down.

Mirage if your also saying Canada does not need a big military your half right, We dont realy need a big one... but we do need one corresponding to a nation our size and 40 000 soldiers is not it. A appropriate army size (including navy and airforce ) would likely be close to 200 000 or 220 000 for Canada.

"and also for Canada to reach a deal to protect itself from being raped but its likely going to happen." Raped? Very mature thing to say, whatever. No it will never happen, Canada is a sovereign nation and part of the Commonwealth of Nations, we see no need and have no desire to join the USA.

I meant resource wise, Everyone thinks im talking of America invading but im talking of a union of the two nations. Put away your anti americanism for a second and you will see there is so many things that are plussess for both nations, You guys can not look past your hatred of the U.S.A and see the huge bonuses such a union would bring.

Im Not talking of invasion!!!

[happyho]

"I meant resource wise, Everyone thinks im talking of America invading but im talking of a union of the two nations. Put away your anti americanism for a second and you will see there is so many things that are plussess for both nations, You guys can not look past your hatred of the U.S.A and see the huge bonuses such a union would bring.

Im Not talking of invasion!!!"

A strong desire to retain our sense of national identity and independence should not be confused with a dislike of the USA humvee. If you don't mean invasion you should not say it is likely going to happen and that we need to make a deal to avoid being raped.

Imagine telling a girl she needs to make a deal with you to share her 'resources' with you and needs to join in a 'union' with you or she will get raped. Then think of how she will react, if she assumes you are speaking of an 'invasion' you should not be surprised and say she is 'anti American' because she wants no part of you.

[Tiwaz]

No, i did not say that, we have the skeleton of a modern army, We have the training and some of the small level equipment but the majority of our equipment for our 40 000 man army is not the best adding to the fact our armys frighteningly small for a nation our size

Let me see. Who is going to invade Canada?
USA? Well, to be honest there is no way Canada could stop such invasion. Someone else? Why would someone not next to Mooseland want to waste so much money on amphibious and air transportation to invade Canada?

Where did i say taking over? Two countrys with such close ties do not always need to be forced together by military force , despite what you think. I also highly underestimate im misunderstaning anything seeing how i am in fact Canadian and live here in Winnipeg.

Perhaps you are such canadian who would like to join up with USA but it appears majority appriciate being independent of USA.

Truth be told im not underestimating anything, our identity is hardly much of a problem seeing how weak it is and still very similar to many americans in the northern states.

And from what I have understood it is extremely unlike american culture little futher south.

Nothing for America to gain? theres EVERYTHING to gain, access to many untapped resources, Water to Qeunch americas water needs which very soon will be unbelievably huge as well as space and a market of 30 million more people.

But what is there for Canada to gain? Canada would lose independence. As it is Canada can sell all the things you mention (and does) to USA and make profit while maintaining it's ability to decide what to do and what not to. Unlike in such union where USA would be pulling the strings.

Mirage if your also saying Canada does not need a big military your half right, We dont realy need a big one... but we do need one corresponding to a nation our size and 40 000 soldiers is not it. A appropriate army size (including navy and airforce ) would likely be close to 200 000 or 220 000 for Canada.

For what purpose? Defence by army against rabid moose? Navy to stop eskimos smuggle ice from north pole? Airforce to stop invader mosquitos?

I meant resource wise, Everyone thinks im talking of America invading but im talking of a union of the two nations. Put away your anti americanism for a second and you will see there is so many things that are plussess for both nations, You guys can not look past your hatred of the U.S.A and see the huge bonuses such a union would bring.

Im Not talking of invasion!!!

It would not be exactly union, it would be USA swallowing up Canada and canadians losing every shred of self determination independent of USA (which is by and large far different on it's society) and culture (as odds of USA adopting canadian style society is smaller then I would give to snowball in hell).

[illyrius]

Why would they want to be one nation?

[humvee2800]

Let me see. Who is going to invade Canada?
USA? Well, to be honest there is no way Canada could stop such invasion. Someone else? Why would someone not next to Mooseland want to waste so much money on amphibious and air transportation to invade Canada?

Pretty much anyone could but the army is supposed to be there for seen and unforseen conflicts, right now we probably would lose in a war against Greenland.

Perhaps you are such canadian who would like to join up with USA but it appears majority appriciate being independent of USA.

Which is why im saying 20 years, American culture is more and more swiping away any canadian culture we have as well as the fact most canadians simply dislike the U.S.A because its popular right now, and most of the guys i know who are actually into business and know economics preach how wonderful it would be

And from what I have understood it is extremely unlike american culture little futher south.

So?, american culture down south is different from american culture up north, you dont have to have the same culture to egt along. Canadians already know that do you?

For what purpose? Defence by army against rabid moose? Navy to stop eskimos smuggle ice from north pole? Airforce to stop invader mosquitos?

for unforseen conflicts, peacekeeping dutys, Possible sea threats from rising powers (China for example) , protecting the coastline from drug runners, you name it ... oh and i forgot to mantain sovereignty over Canadas coastline in the opening passage in the northern waters

But what is there for Canada to gain? Canada would lose independence. As it is Canada can sell all the things you mention (and does) to USA and make profit while maintaining it's ability to decide what to do and what not to. Unlike in such union where USA would be pulling the strings.

Again haven't you been listening? Sure we can sell them but Tariffs and border taxes take huge chunks out of our return from that money, it is one of the reasons Canadian companys simply can not compete over in the United States.

It would not be exactly union, it would be USA swallowing up Canada and canadians losing every shred of self determination independent of USA (which is by and large far different on it's society) and culture (as odds of USA adopting canadian style society is smaller then I would give to snowball in hell).

Your forgetting in the united states it set up so that each tate (province) decides what to do with it's own money and for the msot part how to run itself. Hardly can you call this "being swallowed up" seeing how there isnt much america can do if we are part of them.

A strong desire to retain our sense of national identity and independence should not be confused with a dislike of the USA humvee. If you don't mean invasion you should not say it is likely going to happen and that we need to make a deal to avoid being raped.

I did not say it at all like that, i said it so that it is going to happen but some time would be taken to come up with plans so that our resources would not be strip mined or completely destroyed because of to much extraction which you have to admit, is something america is famous for. (taking to much)



Rather then saying the cultures are incompatible look at the facts, the shred of major differences we have culturewise are dissappearing fast and your also missing the point that im not saying this is going to happen with one big agreement, It will likely happen like the EU. With slow things like taking away certain Tariffs , making the two governments work together sometimes, adopting the same currency and eventually removing the border and signing ont he provinces as states

[mrme]

Pretty much anyone could but the army is supposed to be there for seen and unforseen conflicts, right now we probably would lose in a war against Greenland.

Yes, God only knows when Canada will have to defend itself from those upity Greenlanders. No point worrying about something that will never happen. Canada has no enemies, none. We. Are. Not. In. Danger.

Which is why im saying 20 years, American culture is more and more swiping away any canadian culture we have as well as the fact most canadians simply dislike the U.S.A because its popular right now, and most of the guys i know who are actually into business and know economics preach how wonderful it would be

Actually most Canadians do not dislike America, don't know where you're getting that from. As for your business friends, yeah...no because businesses always have the country's best interest in mind right? or MAYBE they are just trying to make as large a profit as possible.

So?, american culture down south is different from american culture up north, you dont have to have the same culture to egt along. Canadians already know that do you?

I like how you speak for all Canadians, I agree with the statement but still, its fascinating.

for unforseen conflicts, peacekeeping dutys, Possible sea threats from rising powers (China for example) , protecting the coastline from drug runners, you name it ... oh and i forgot to mantain sovereignty over Canadas coastline in the opening passage in the northern waters

You know what? You're right! what about those "unforeseen" asteroids flying around in space! My God we've got to set up a network of nuclear armed satelites around the globe so we'll be able to intercept them when they come!
And what about tsunamis? Big freaking "unforeseen" tsunamis hitting all the of coast of Canada simultaneously?! We have to move everyone to the mainland quick!
And beef!! There could be an "unforeseen" mad cow disease epidemic at any time, kill all the cows!!
*ahem* I'm hoping you get the point?

Again haven't you been listening? Sure we can sell them but Tariffs and border taxes take huge chunks out of our return from that money, it is one of the reasons Canadian companys simply can not compete over in the United States.

So you're wondering why Canada, a quazi socialist country of 30 million, cannot compete with the U.S.A, THE world superpower with a population of 300 million and some of the most capitalistic tendencies?
Theres a little bit more then tariffs going on...

Your forgetting in the united states it set up so that each tate (province) decides what to do with it's own money and for the msot part how to run itself. Hardly can you call this "being swallowed up" seeing how there isnt much america can do if we are part of them.

Yes except the federal government has a way of "influencing" the states' decisions, for example the speed limit. If the states chose to set their speed limit above a certain point, the federal government pulls the plug on their funding for the roads and highways you love oh-so much.
You think the federal government doesn't have those kinds of tricks up their sleeves?

I did not say it at all like that, i said it so that it is going to happen but some time would be taken to come up with plans so that our resources would not be strip mined or completely destroyed because of to much extraction which you have to admit, is something america is famous for. (taking to much)

It's probably something that they don't intend to stop either, America's consumers would swallow up Canada in a second. If you draft laws to make sure they only extract a certain amount of resources... then the consumers would swallow America in 3 seconds. ( those 2 extra seconds would go to tearing down the regulations after Canada became part of the US)

Rather then saying the cultures are incompatible look at the facts, the shred of major differences we have culturewise are dissappearing fast and your also missing the point that im not saying this is going to happen with one big agreement, It will likely happen like the EU. With slow things like taking away certain Tariffs , making the two governments work together sometimes, adopting the same currency and eventually removing the border and signing ont he provinces as states

Good example with the EU, its easy to see how close they are to becoming one nation and how much they all agree with it

[Sir Hawkwood]

Isn't there also another 'non' french part of Canada further to the East at Nova Scotia. You'd kinda be like Surrounding the frenchy folk!

[Last Roman]

Just because economically we are very close, I see no reason for the US to want to join Canada, and vice versa. I think both would be much happier staying just trading partners.

[humvee2800]

I would love it if people actually responded to my posts rather then making short sentence long statements thanks

Just because economically we are very close, I see no reason for the US to want to join Canada, and vice versa. I think both would be much happier staying just trading partners.

Because first of all it would make our governemnt work more efficient , especially internally. Because in Canada most things within provinces are run by the federal government things have a tendency to be overlooked or done poorly, why? you ask, because governments at the federal level for such large countrys have a huge tendency to be wasteful and uncareful. The section of the trans Canada highway in Manitoba and the highways going intot he states are a amazing example.

our side of the road is old and full of wholes but as soon as you cross the border its like a whole new highway. Well taken care of and looking brand new almost. It is shown even more when you follow the road to the nearest town and find the parks and greenery people in the states do AMAZING jobs with the trees and vegetation in the area.

You guys also dont seem to understand how much of a boost removing the border tax and tariffs would do to our economy which trades 60 percent of our goods over it

[Mikelus Trento]

As an American, I honestly don't see this EVER happening. If anything, a union with Mexico is a much more likely prospect based on demographics and the immigration issues that would be solved. But again, that is also HIGHLY unlikely. All 3 North American countries have their own identity and culture, and each has its own unique set of national challenges.

And all 3 countries have a very strong national pride that none would be willing to lose.

IMO.

[Markas]

So if america and Canada became one, which Healthcare modal would be followed? I know which I'd choose.

[General_Curtis_LeMay]

The people of Canada are a noble and blessed people who veiw that their independance is a wonderful thing. For this reason I can hardly see them wanting to exchange thier liberal stance on freedom to the more conservative one of the US. Nor would the US let Canada rule its vast lan, people, monies, and power.

[Denny Crane!]

The curse of nationalism that infects the minds of many would not allow this quite possibly naive idea to occur.

peter