I will use this thread to share collected data about the Curia.
As an FYI, RELEASE DATES 2000-01 Shogun 2002-03 Medieval 2004-06 Rome 2006-07 Medieval II 2009 Empire 2010 Napoleon 2011-12 Shogun II 2013 Rome II 2015 Attila 2016 Warhammer 2017 Warhammer II
GRAPH 1: APPLICATIONS AND PROPOSALS
The graph compares citizens applications with the proposals for large and medium awards (e.g. Phalera and Curial Award) with site proposals (amendments and decisions) from 2003-2017.
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Method: Citizenship application information was taken from the Citizens' AnteChamber within QuestionesPerpetuae However, The Archives before 2008 was unreliable and contain missing applications. The remainder of information was taken from the List of Citizens. Data from the Prothalamos (Prothalamos Proposals for decisions, amendments, and large and medium awards) was taken from the Prothalomos. Individual Threads were recorded and sorted by "Invalid" requestion, Proposals for Large and medium awards. The year is determined when the thread was created.
Description: Starting in 2004/5 the site activity rose significantly. It will reach its overall peak in 2007. In 2009, the site will recover with citizenship applications remaining steady. However, in 2010 the site will start a gradual decline reaching its lowest point in 2014. In 2014, The CdeC was removed. The site had a brief surge in activity; however, activity will drop to its lowest points 2016/17. A level not seen since 2004.
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GRAPH 2: CAPITAL POSTINGS
The graph compares Prothalomos postings (minus Large and medium awards proposals) Symposium Postings and Curia main postings.
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Method: Symposium and Curia main data- Posts were counted based on date created and sorted by year. See above for Prathalamos data collection method.
Description: There is a consistent correlation between all three areas. The strongest correlation is the Curia Main and the Symposium. An interesting aspect is 2009 and 2014. In both cases, posting in the Curia dropped or remain a steady, but proposals increased anomalously. 2008 remains to be a time when interest in the Curia dropped significantly. With the exception of 2009 and 2014, the decline remained constant to this date.
NUMBER THREADS CREATED IN THE SYMPOSIUM
2003: -
2004: -
2005: 119
2006: 213
2007: 146
2008: 65
2009: 45
2010: 30
2011: 30
2012: 11
2013: 8
2014: 14
2015: 7
2016: 4
2017: 2
NUMBER THREADS CREATED IN THE CURIA MAIN
2003: 6
2004: 4
2005: 75
2006: 426
2007: 313
2008: 128
2009: 100
2010: 105
2011: 66
2012: 67
2013: 41
2014: 40
2015: 28
2016: 18
2017: 20
PATRONAGE BREAKDOWN
This is a long time coming; the tracking of Patrons per year. The following data was collected from the List of Citizens. With any data collecting, there is always a margin of error. This dat may illustrate more clearly the issue than the citizenship application numbers. The highest amount of Patron was 66 in 2006 and 2007. 2008 we see ou first steep decline from 66 to 55 patrons. The decline will continue sharply until 2012. However, the total number of application declined sharply. Essentially the same number of patrons patronizing less. The decline of patrons would then continue until 2014 which experienced its first rise. Incidentally, this was the same year the CdeC was removed.
Other disturbing trends; In the past 4 years, we have not had more than 20 patrons. From 2015 to 2018 we had as many patrons as all of 2012 (31).
I kept the ratio number believing it would bear some significance. As you can see there is little correlation. Obviously the lower the number of patrons, the higher the ratio needs to be. However, this is unsustainable.
The answer to the falling numbers could be attributed to the CdeC. However, long after the removal, the numbers are actually decreasing. CdeC could still be to blame, indirectly. The following are applications through the times. You will trend to a higher standard. 2005 and another 2005 (A single a paragraph by the client) 2006 (same as above)
Unfortunately, there aren't any records of 2007's applications. 2008 | 2008 2009 | 2009
There is little to no standardization of applications. Most were brief and succinct 2010 | 2010
By 2010 the applications are well on the way to presenting a more detailed "portrait" of the applicant.
I would not argue that a detailed application was a contributor. It would be more accurate to read the feedback from those that reviewed the applications. It is clear that the expectations/ standards were increasing.
The conclusion is that citizenship became less about promoting activity and more about self- promotion of an elite group. Outside of behavior, which should be high given you were a badge, there isn't a sound argument for a high demand not in regards to the general purpose of citizenship, to begin with.
Below is the data.
Number of patrons | Successful Applications = Ration of Patron to Successful Application 2004:20* | 99 = 4.9
*16 Unknown patrons. Also, the Patronage system was not established yet)
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The graphs tell us that something happened in 2007- 2008. Everything dropped in 2008. The site never recovered from this.
It would be interesting to see how the rest of the site managed between 2007- 2010.
Interesting note, the drop off took place before the release of Empire. However, there was a two year period between Medieval II and Empire, but Medieval II is one of the most modded games.
This data is interesting though all I could think looking at it is I hope you used a scraper or something to gather it and didn't assemble it all manually, or else RIP your time.
Some of the initial data from 2003-04 is probably showing too much of a spike, we lost some data from back then with vB issues and forum migrations. A spike in 2009 makes sense because it was the intersection of fully fleshed out modding for M2 (battle map being solved etc) and Empire coming out. Subsequent releases would just iterate on Warscape so many of the same modding names from Empire who already got Artifex just created Napoleon variants. After that point it likely just mirrors the downtrend of the site as a whole.
A very interesting data set, thanks for putting this together and +rep.
I would like to note that there was a loss of database in 2004 (hacker attacks) and in 2006-2007 (result of Staff Rebellion). Also, in terms of posting in the Curia, originally posting was limited and not a fair comparison between early and middle/late years data.
In terms of modding, the release of Empire (2009) and the "Warscape" model changed everything dramatically. You needed special tools and procedures, whereas before anyone with a text program could go in and create different scenarios. That's what made RTW and M2TW special, anyone could do it with very little background. Also no console cheat commands, wtf
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The release of Empire for the TW community was sort of like the dagger in the heart or the sacking of Constantinople. Plus the site changed ownership around this time didn't it? It's been clinging to life with some earnest attempts at recovery but it's growing cold.
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This is a long time coming; the tracking of Patrons per year. The following data was collected from the List of Citizens. With any data collecting, there is always a margin of error. This dat may illustrate more clearly the issue than the citizenship application numbers. The highest amount of Patron was 66 in 2006 and 2007. 2008 we see ou first steep decline from 66 to 55 patrons. The decline will continue sharply until 2012. However, the total number of application declined sharply. Essentially the same number of patrons patronizing less. The decline of patrons would then continue until 2014 which experienced its first rise. Incidentally, this was the same year the CdeC was removed.
Other disturbing trends; In the past 4 years, we have not had more than 20 patrons. From 2015 to 2018 we had as many patrons as all of 2012 (31).
I kept the ratio number believing it would bear some significance. As you can see there is little correlation. Obviously the lower the number of patrons, the higher the ratio needs to be. However, this is unsustainable.
The answer to the falling numbers could be attributed to the CdeC. However, long after the removal, the numbers are actually decreasing. CdeC could still be to blame, indirectly. The following are applications through the times. You will trend to a higher standard. 2005 and another 2005 (A single a paragraph by the client) 2006 (same as above)
Unfortunately, there aren't any records of 2007's applications. 2008 | 2008 2009 | 2009
There is little to no standardization of applications. Most were brief and succinct 2010 | 2010
By 2010 the applications are well on the way to presenting a more detailed "portrait" of the applicant.
I would not argue that a detailed application was a contributor. It would be more accurate to read the feedback from those that reviewed the applications. It is clear that the expectations/ standards were increasing.
The conclusion is that citizenship became less about promoting activity and more about self- promotion of an elite group. Outside of behavior, which should be high given you were a badge, there isn't a sound argument for a high demand not in regards to the general purpose of citizenship, to begin with.
Below is the data.
Number of patrons | Successful Applications = Ration of Patron to Successful Application 2004:20* | 99 = 4.9
*16 Unknown patrons. Also, the Patronage system was not established yet)
Collected Curia Data
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