a final solution to iraq

[Hells Bells]

I was browsing the web one day when i came upon some startling finds,
http://www.index-china.com/index-english/Tibet-s.html
i was reading up on the history of the chinese invasion of tibet and found this propaganda site that claims
"The following map (From "Historical Atlas" by William R. Shepherd,1923.) had shown Tibet part of Yuan Dynasty. No one can deny that Tibet is always a part of China. Tibet is never an independent country. None of the Chinese government has ever surrendered the sovereignty of Tibet to others."
however that same map also shows parts of iraq and much of the middle east under yuan control. using the same logic as the tibet invasion, china would have a responsibility to take control of the entire area, not to mention the oil wealth found theirin.

The thing is, the chinese conveniently forgot that the yuan dynasty was the dynasty of china's mongol overlords and the dynasty fled to mongolia when driven out, so technically china and all the middle east should belong to mongolia.
However we should be willing to overlook that particular quirk of history and give the region to china instead.
Think about it, the worlds most powerful nation with unlimited resources and a billion technologically superior chinese to counterbalance less than a billion moslems living in sand (most the worlds moslems dont even live there).

to make matters even better, china manufactures all the cheap ak47s the terrorists use, it would be a relatively simple matter to rig the guns so that when the terrorists fire into the air screaming to alllah as they are accustomed to do, the gun blows their heads off.

This would give the rest of us a breather, which should really be used to fight something worthwile, like global warming for example.

[Stalins Ghost]

I don't think thats the least bit plausible really. In all honesty, these guys may be ready to die for their god and their cause, but they're not stupid. They're going to check that the darn things work first. And if one source becomes useless, another will feed them. Normally some soulless private weapons dealer who's making a terrific buck from this little conflict.

[Desertfox]

That map is misleading.

It's not lands of the Yuan Dynasty, but the entire mongol empire which included:

Empire of the Great Khanate [Yuan]
Chagatai Khanate
Golden Horde
Ilkhanate

Thus the PRC has no obligation to reclaim that area. Although Mongolia was part of the Qing Dynasty...we should invade there but no one cares about Mongolia

This is the more realistic view of Greater China:



That's also the map viewed as official Chinese territory by the government on Formosa, the Republic of China


O ya, that plan is the most implausible plan ever. It's not like they are stupid enough to buy clearly faulty guns. If someone does fall for it, word will get around and then they will just stop buying them and get them from the Russians.

Also China doesnt make AK47's. China used to make/create the Type 57 Assault Rifle which they have all but discontinued for the Type 95. The majority of the AK47s are a result of Soviet over flooding of the market with Ak47s back in the day.

[sephodwyrm]

The PRC now supply freedom fighters and insurgents world wide with weapons that deal more damage than the AK, including towed multiple rocket system, missiles and probably anti tank weapons as well. NORINCO is also trying to sell body armor to US troops.

A rigged AK is so easy to uncover since the AK has only that many parts. Its easier to rig a missile than one of the most simple yet successful automatic rifle of the 20th century (and early 21st).

[bigfootedfred]

The Only real soloution To Iraq at this point.
Would be a draft.

30,000 extra troops? that pitiful number is supposed to somehow dismantle the militias keep order and stablize the country?

It would take alot more. and that number itself is misleading,
as it actually means working the hell(even more than now) out of the guys you have already.
Increasing tours ect.

The only other option and at this stage, is to get the UN and Iraqs Neighboring countries to help. Make this an international Peace Mission.
Get rid of all oversight from the United states. They should no longer have any ability to dictate policy there, only to suggest changes.

So there it is.
Remove all US control from Iraq, and put it the hands of a UN mission and the Iraqi Government. The Government itself cannot be trusted, and the UN would need a lot of leverage and a Robust mandate.

But i cannot see the bush Regime ever going along with that.
They want control and leverage in Iraq for themselves.

[danzig]

The only other option and at this stage, is to get the UN and Iraqs Neighboring countries to help. Make this an international Peace Mission.
Get rid of all oversight from the United states. They should no longer have any ability to dictate policy there, only to suggest changes.

So there it is.
Remove all US control from Iraq, and put it the hands of a UN mission and the Iraqi Government. The Government itself cannot be trusted, and the UN would need a lot of leverage and a Robust mandate.

But i cannot see the bush Regime ever going along with that.
They want control and leverage in Iraq for themselves.

You say this based on one assumption...that the UN wants that job. Can you honestly say France being a member of the security council would be happy seeing the UN take control and possibly having to contribute to the UN 'peace mission' in Iraq? You are right the Bush admin wont go for it and there are many nations in the UN who probably give a collective sigh of relief knowing that.

[Oldgamer]

But i cannot see the bush Regime ever going along with that.
They want control and leverage in Iraq for themselves.

Why?

(MODS: Sorry if the above seems like spam, but I'll eventually get to the point.)

[bigfootedfred]

Why?

Exactly the same as the ones that they invaded with.
The Rhetoric may change but the objective does not.
Control, and influence in the region, in a good strategic position.
With good strategic resources,
a key location for Israeli and US dominance of the middle east.

it just hasn't worked out that way, any fool could have,
and did tell them it would not.

[Gaidin]

you guys have a lot to learn about final solutions...

[PacSubCom]

The term "final solution" to Iraq is defined as "kill em all" in certain areas of the world. That means, every single Iraqi child, woman and man...

[Rapax]

The term "final solution" to Iraq is defined as "kill em all" in certain areas of the world. That means, every single Iraqi child, woman and man...

Germans certainly shouldn't use that term for anything anymore.

[Sher Khan]

The last thing we want is Red China to gain even more power in the region. Why do you think we've bothered with the Mid East anyway? So that Russia didn't gain the upper hand in the region. China, however, is now the new Russia (although the Russians aren't down and out yet).

[Erwin Rommel]

HAHA yuan is not chinese and besides in the yuan dynasty mid east was occupied by an Ilkhanate, and it is not part of the yuam

[Sadreddine]

Was the original poster even serious about that "solution"?

[harm]

yeah well, technically the US belongs to the Native Tribes.....

[Mig el Pig]

And the native tribes where decendants of Turkic-Mongolic Siberian steppe hunters so ....

[turtle]

And the native tribes where decendants of Turkic-Mongolic Siberian steppe hunters so ....

Actually, this is just a speculated theory. There is evidence to suggest there have been people in the Florida area, Southern America and Eastern Pacific Islands for over 20000 years. And if the Bering Strait formed and sustained from 20000 years ago to 14000 years ago, wouldn't it be a little hard for someone to "migrate" all the way from modern day Alaska to the Inde Mountains in such a short period of time... I doubt it.

Vine Deloria suggested that the Strait would have been uninhabitable, due to glacial landscape and intense climate burdens. Also, the sea level would have to had dropped 60 meters in order to expose the land bridge.

So, I wouldn't put all my hopes into that theory, there could be a much simpler explaination than we could ever imagine.

P.S. Do we really need a beginning?

[RusskiSoldat]

Off topic question to anyone Chinese: how much is the thought of a greater China spread throughout Chinese society?
Would Central Asia and the Russian far east be part of that China?

[RusskiSoldat]

A power vacuum exists in Iraq, one that the republican government of Iraq obviously cannot fill. The US army is currently doing the job of attempting to fill it, but they can't go on forever. I see no possible solution that would not be a clear defeat for America.

[Hells Bells]

the post was in parody of some very unconvincing propaganda used by the prc about tibet, and the fact that they went as far as claiming the lands of the mongol conquests as the yuan dynasty's lands and in turn claiming the yuan dynasty as their own, despite the yuan being mongols.
I was suggesting that we use their own logic against them and give america a pretense to surrender the territory claiming that it originally belonged to them anyway.
China wants empire + US getting ass kicked= china gets sand empire in iraq

so all of you laughing about the innaccuracies and blaming them on me are missing the point.

That's also the map viewed as official Chinese territory by the government on Formosa, the Republic of China

the roc isnt the one in charge however..

A rigged AK is so easy to uncover since the AK has only that many parts. Its easier to rig a missile than one of the most simple yet successful automatic rifle of the 20th century (and early 21st).

hmm er well i guess well have to rely on something else, perhaps a new discovery called gravity will enable us to rig ak47s that when they shoot bullets up, bullets come down...

Here is another one, we get an enormous fleet of bulldozers, each with an enormous concrete slab attached to the front of the vehicle all push simultaneously inwards starting from the border and inexorably force all the contents of the iraqi nation into a small corner of the map. Then we get cement mixers to pour cement in there.



now if you wanted a real solution, then youd be hard pressed to find it now,
we really should have just send planes to bomb their military infrastructure as we used to, and not spend cash on invading the country.

My personal inclination is that communism would be preferable to having to live under moslem sharia law, therefore i prescribe heavy doses of communism in the form of china. Since communism is atheistic and has been proven to simply fizzle out over time, it could provide meaningful distraction for the inhabitants of the area.
Now remember back when alquaida was fighting the soviet union, wasnt that alot better for us than fighting them ourselves now?