Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

[Aexodus]

Well for better or worse it looks like Brexit is happening.

[Muizer]

Well for better or worse it looks like Brexit is happening.

T was always the most likely thing. Still think it's an incredibly stupid thing to do, but there comes a point where you have to say "if you really insist on inflicting that on yourself, so be it". Perhaps if what you say is true, that the working class has helped brought this about, then it's a small consolation they're the ones who are going to suffer most because of it (and they will). Glad I'm not British myself though and glad to be forewarned if ever some moron tries to pull such a stunt in my country.

[Daruwind]

Think fun just started... Johnson won election with slogan "get Brexit done". Now he must get it done..and next January deadline is just Withdrawal act. Then there will be all future arrangements, trade deals etc. Plus now when Johnson has full responsibility, what will happen if the future is not as sunny and green paradise as Johnson tried to paint it? Like deal with USA

Plus Scotland and Ireland?

There is planty of fun ahead. And this is end for Corbyn. Next election are far away so doesn´t matter if he resign in week or month or two...

[Cope]

T was always the most likely thing. Still think it's an incredibly stupid thing to do, but there comes a point where you have to say "if you really insist on inflicting that on yourself, so be it". Perhaps if what you say is true, that the working class has helped brought this about, then it's a small consolation they're the ones who are going to suffer most because of it (and they will). Glad I'm not British myself though and glad to be forewarned if ever some moron tries to pull such a stunt in my country.

Cope.

[Dekhatres]

Cope.

and /thread

[Muizer]

more like /britain

[JP226]

Think fun just started... Johnson won election with slogan "get Brexit done". Now he must get it done..and next January deadline is just Withdrawal act. Then there will be all future arrangements, trade deals etc. Plus now when Johnson has full responsibility, what will happen if the future is not as sunny and green paradise as Johnson tried to paint it? Like deal with USA

I love Europeans on here. It's almost like the UK has to act like an independent country. Crazy!

[Copperknickers II]

Think fun just started... Johnson won election with slogan "get Brexit done". Now he must get it done..and next January deadline is just Withdrawal act. Then there will be all future arrangements, trade deals etc. Plus now when Johnson has full responsibility, what will happen if the future is not as sunny and green paradise as Johnson tried to paint it? Like deal with USA

Plus Scotland and Ireland?

There is planty of fun ahead.

The thing is, with a majority this large and with radical remain elements purged from the party, plus with the opposition at its lowest ebb in decades, there won't be all that much 'fun' at all. The future arrangements/trade deals will take a long time to negotiate, but preliminary arrangements and a transition period can be put in place before then so there won't be any major cliff edge. And the negotiation process will not be under the same scrutiny or time pressure, nor will there be any notable political pressure on Johnson, since the pressure points (DUP arrangement, slim majority giving prominence to ERG, the Tory Remain fringe, the Brexit Party threat, the Speaker's role in directing a hung parliament) have all been totally neutralised. Johnson can go ahead and do whatever he wants and nothing can realistically stop him. He now has 5 years to play with, and by the end of that time any initial shocks caused by our departure next year will have been absorbed. Brexit will no longer take up a huge amount of political capital, so Boris can largely delegate it to somebody like Dominic Raab and carry on with other things.

Our economy will enjoy a bit of a boost now simply due to the uncertainty ending. Meanwhile continental Europe and the USA are going to go through some pretty major crises over the next 5 years, due to their own economic and political problems, and these may spill over into the British economy somewhat, which is going to muddy the waters for anyone trying to claim Brexit has adversely affected Britain. Northern Ireland may see an uptick in Sectarian conflict but we're not quite at the point where there will be a realistic Republican resurgence - most Catholics in Northern Ireland want to calm things down, not restart the Troubles.

Scotland meanwhile will be a different matter. Expect to see fireworks north of the border, with gigantic demonstrations and civil disobedience. If a referendum date is announced and the referendum doesn't happen, we may well see a Catalonia-style situation.

[Dekhatres]

more like /britain

more like /labour and even more cope




and ofc as one would expect, the salt

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[95thrifleman]

People love democracy till their side loses

[Daruwind]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...erendum-brexit

BTW: missing any news how Britain is doing in current pandemic. Still leaving, still no extension, still no changes under Boris yeay?

[Sir Adrian]

I'd be half surprised if it turned out that Russia did not have anything to do with supporting the pro-brexiters.

[Exarch]

Hold onto your potatoes, Brexiteers, it's gonna be a No Deal Brexit and they're going to go in raw.

"It just so happens that making the British prime minister happy isn't the vocation of sovereign leaders of the 27 member states that chose to remain in the EU." - @EmmanuelMacron
, French President

Source: https://twitter.com/dw_europe/status...15916358922240

Please try not to lynch Nigel Farage.

[Papay]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-blow-23066620

Optimistic scenarios speak about -11.3 recession in UK, the worst in 300 years. If you add the fact that Biden supports EU on the Irish border issue and the fact that Scottish and Welsh nationalists have secured their position as first parties in their area(which makes a future independence quite probable)then things are not looking good

[Lord Thesaurian]

I suspect Biden and Pelosi are pandering on the Irish border issue because they are Catholics. It’s frankly none of the US’ concern what the people of the UK choose to do in their own country. The US should be supporting the UK politically and economically, now more than ever. Instead it seems the Biden Admin will return to Obama’s hostility toward Brexit. Such scorn for our closest ally is shameful, especially while trying to woo the EU even though France and Germany are openly antagonistic or at a minimum uncooperative toward US interests half the time.

[Daruwind]

I suspect Biden and Pelosi are pandering on the Irish border issue because they are Catholics. It’s frankly none of the US’ concern what the people of the UK choose to do in their own country. The US should be supporting the UK politically and economically, now more than ever. Instead it seems the Biden Admin will return to Obama’s hostility toward Brexit. Such scorn for our closest ally is shameful, especially while trying to woo the EU even though France and Germany are openly antagonistic or at a minimum uncooperative toward US interests half the time.

One would imagine that UK proposers of "leaving" EU would think about such possibility and would account for it in all strategies ahead. Or at least for how long that Brexit situation is going on.. We have pandemics, possible new economic crisis, nobody is even caring about Brexit at moment and UK may be at best way to lose at least Scotland and become irrelevant country. More dependant country for USA the better... If we were in Total War game, I would suspect Uk player changed difficulty to legendary

[Papay]

It was predicted in Star Trek

[Gromovnik]

It was predicted in Star Trek

Comrade Data knows what's what.

[pchalk]

It was predicted in Star Trek

4 more years ...

[conon394]

I suspect Biden and Pelosi are pandering on the Irish border issue because they are Catholics. It’s frankly none of the US’ concern what the people of the UK choose to do in their own country. The US should be supporting the UK politically and economically, now more than ever. Instead it seems the Biden Admin will return to Obama’s hostility toward Brexit. Such scorn for our closest ally is shameful, especially while trying to woo the EU even though France and Germany are openly antagonistic or at a minimum uncooperative toward US interests half the time.

Two different US administrations spent a lot of political capital on the the peace talks over northern Ireland that the US leaders would have some interest in UK possibly breaking the results cannot be reduced to pandering. I won't say Brexit is pure stupid but the way the UK has pursued it puts it close. Also form a US perspective it was rather more in US interests to convince the UK to stay in Europe.