KINGDOM OF FRANCE (REVAMP)

[banskie100]

Kingdom of France
(ROSTER EXTENSION/ REVAMP)

The original thread of the French faction description and preview is on the link below. Made by warman222.

(http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...gdom-of-France)

Strengths : Has access to more varied heavy cavalry from mid to late tiers. Can train from light melee to heavy melee units, spears, polearms, voulges, pikes. Elite professionals with named companies but limited recruitement pool. Good all around.

Weaknesses : Lacks light cavalry units but can recruit only in later tiers. Has access to pikemen but not professional and must rely on mercenaries on nearby regions.


A very big help from Zsimmortal for providing me the informations I need for this faction.
Also the guidance from other team members and the people from MK 1212 AD discord server.

Tier 1

Missile Units



Arbalestriers Leves
(Levy Crossbowmen)

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Archers

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Arbalestriers

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Melee Units


Piquichins
(Long Spear armed Men)

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Pietons Leves
(Levy Spearmen)

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Ribauds
(Light armed volunteer shock troops)

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Sergents (Axe)

(Sergeant Axemen Tier 1 only)

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Guisarmiers des Communes
(Communal Billmen)

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Sergents
(Sergeants)

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D. Chevaliers
(Foot Knights)

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Sergent d'Armes
(Sergeant at Arms, Elite capped unit)

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Cavalry Units

Arbalestriers Montes
(Mounted Crossbowmen)

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Sergent Montes
(Mounted Sergeants)

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Cliens
(Junior/Lesser Knights)

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Chevaliers
(Knights)

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Roi de France
(King and King's Bodyguards)

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[banskie100]

Tier 2

Missile Units

Arbalestrier Leves

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Archers

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Arbalestriers

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Melee Units

Piquichins

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Pietons Leves

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Ribauds

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Voulgiers Leves

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Voulgiers des Communes

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Pavoisiers des Communes

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Sergents

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D. Chevaliers

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Sergent d'Armes

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Cavalry Units

Arbalestriers a cheval

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Sergents a cheval

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Cliens

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Chevaliers

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Gens d'Armes

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Roi de France

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Tier 3

Missile Units

Franc-Archers

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Franc-Archers
(Crossbowmen Variant)

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Same unit but armed with crossbows, no pic ATM

Arbalestriers

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Couleuvriniers

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Garde Ecossaise
(Longbowmen)

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3e Compagnie

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Melee Units

Piquiers

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Pavoisiers Leves

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Ribauds

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Voulgiers Leves

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Pavoisiers des Communes

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Hallebardiers des Communes

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Sergents

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Garde Ecossaise (Halberdiers)

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D. Chevaliers

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Cavalry Units

Arbalestriers a Cheval

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Sergents a Cheval

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Coutiliers

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Chevaliers

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Gens d'Armes

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Gentilshommes a bec de corbin

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Roi de France

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[Kjertesvein]

Nice crown on the king. Is that new?

​~Wille

[claymore833]

Tier 3 when

[banskie100]

updated tier 2 and 3

[Minnesinger]

Congrats for your solid, very nice looking work ! I have some suggestions and questions regarding this roster however, needless to say that it is just my opinion. First, the aesthetics : imo the Scottish guard, both archers and hallebardiers, could look even better with the new greaves that some of your t3 knights actually use, judging by this XVth century picture they correspond almost completely with the ones that were worn by these men.

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Another point, that could be a sensitive one, is the use of these "daemonic" shields by your t3 mounted and dismounted sergents. I don't want to be petty, besides Fawn_Rescuer has already made some great skins, but honestly they look strange, at best.
My questions : what do you mean exactly by "capped"? Three units, ten units ? It is pretty obvious that the t3 gendarmes outmatch the knights but what about the t2 gendarmes and the t1 sergents d'armes ? It seems they are 90 per unit when dismounted.
What do you mean also by "must rely on mercenaries on nearby regions"? Is the french recruitment pool limited by the borders of the actual France, and through which ones if not so ? Will there be special bonds between the french monarchy and mercenaries from Switzerland in the game ?
Thank you for your attention, that's all for now !

[banskie100]

@minnesinger:
1. Merci! Well, I'll leave it as it is because I am done making changes and it will be the final look.
2. I think that shield's look is okay for me.
3. Capped units, the unit recruitement limitation will depend upon to a team member's decision who is making the campaign now.
4. What I mean is the French pike units is not so reliable even though they have one. Historically, they depended on Swiss mercenaries to do their job.

[Heisenburrg]

Yep, as expected... Another nearly flawless roster. Divers, elaborate and fancy-looking... especially these cav units and dismounted knights! Everything you need for some glorious french gameplays. Great job, banskie!

[Filips Augustus]

Aye banskie really outdid himself here.

[Gladius Invictus]

Wonderful units! Especially the knights. Excellent work

[Minnesinger]

@minnesinger:
1. Merci! Well, I'll leave it as it is because I am done making changes and it will be the final look.
2. I think that shield's look is okay for me.
3. Capped units, the unit recruitement limitation will depend upon to a team member's decision who is making the campaign now.
4. What I mean is the French pike units is not so reliable even though they have one. Historically, they depended on Swiss mercenaries to do their job.

Ah ... Too bad. Understandable though, and already great how it is.
Will you keep Joan of Arc ?

[Knight2708]

Conghrats on completing the roster! As always your knightly and royal guard units look absolutely amazing. Those officers on the Scots' Guard are just stunning!

One criticism I do have is the very widespread use of mail on some of the on-knightly tier 1 units. The tier 1 units of most other Western European rosters are much more lightly armored and it seems strange for a faction that is not exactly infantry focused to have infantry that is so much more heavily armored.

I am also skeptical about the inclusion of pikemen. Pikes are already way too ubiquitous among Western European rosters and for a knight focused faction that as you said relied mostly on Swiss mercenaries for its pikemen to have pike units seems odd to me.

[achilles-91]

Can someone provide me evidence about French and English using pavises? I would realy appreaciate it.

[zsimmortal]

Can someone provide me evidence about French and English using pavises? I would realy appreaciate it.

They show up in French miniatures, like these for example :

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Beyond that, there are specifically named troops which indicate that it was used (so-called Pavisarii, or Pavessiers/Pavisiers/Pavesiers).

[achilles-91]

Can you tell me if other 'western' ('catholic') factions all used them? Are there some exceptions? I guess only scandinavia and scotland not used them? not sure about spain. Any help is welcomed. Sorry if I am asking this in wrong thread

[zsimmortal]

Can you tell me if other 'western' ('catholic') factions all used them? Are there some exceptions? I guess only scandinavia and scotland not used them? not sure about spain. Any help is welcomed. Sorry if I am asking this in wrong thread

I'm not too knowledgeable about other regions quite honestly. It was quite popular in the Holy Roman Empire and adjacent areas (Italy, France, Flanders, Hungary, etc.), that's as much as I can tell.

[Sarcasm_pt]

Probably not as popular in the Iberian Peninsula as in other areas, but still definitely used both in pitched battles and sieges. Also widely used at sea to equip everything from tall ships, through galleys, to even small row boats.

One of my main discussions with the Portuguese roster creator was the fact that there were no pavises on it. At the time I couldn't safely demonstrate its use outside sieges and somewhat towards the late period, now I can safely say that they were used in the high period as well, and in pitched battles. So probably something the team should consider changing.

Also, why do some factions have the "right" to use native names (which I'm definitely "for") while others do not?

[zsimmortal]

Also, why do some factions have the "right" to use native names (which I'm definitely "for") while others do not?

It's up to the faction creator, not a right per se.

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Hence the quotation marks.

Maybe some uniformity in that sense is in order? Could be kinda cool to even have pronunciation guides in the unit descriptions and everything.