Hellenic Lancers

[Neuchatel]

Currently the Hellenic Lancers (lydians, Thessalian, kleruchs,) all use the same skin.
Is there a plan to make them distinct ?

[QuintusSertorius]

They don't use the same skin, they use the same model, with different textures. They're all elite lancers, thus the same equipment.

They might be revisited later, but they're a lower priority than new units.

[Neuchatel]

They don't use the same skin, they use the same model, with different textures. They're all elite lancers, thus the same equipment.

They might be revisited later, but they're a lower priority than new units.

No they have the same textures, they are totally undistinguishable on the battlefield.

[QuintusSertorius]

No they have the same textures, they are totally undistinguishable on the battlefield.

They do not have the same textures, I just looked at them myself. Are you playing on a low unit detail?

[Neuchatel]

No I'm not and they are the exact same units minus some minor hues in colors. They are the only units with this problem.

[QuintusSertorius]

No I'm not and they are the exact same units minus some minor hues in colors. They are the only units with this problem.

Have you actually looked at them side-by-side? Because I just did. They have a variety of different helmets and some have different armour. Not to mention the details being different.

[Roma_Victrix]

No I'm not and they are the exact same units minus some minor hues in colors. They are the only units with this problem.

You're being extremely hyperbolic. For instance, the Thessalikoi cavalry of mainland Greece look incredibly different from Ptolemaic Kleruchoi Agema, and that is achieved with simply adding different colored helmet plumes, tunics, and capes, plus minor things like a few different pieces of armor for the torso. These units look distinguished enough in my opinion, although admittedly the Lydian Lancers and Epeirote Molosson Agema are literally the exact same when it comes to textures. That's one thing that needs to change.

[gustave]

Given the shortage of 2D and 3D artists we sometimes had to re-use the same parts on several units, with little or no variations. There's room for improvement, we are aware of it, but this is very low priority for now.

[Hellenikon]

A somewhat related question:
- Would it be possible to allow xystophoroi to still remain recruitable, at lower unit pool and refresh, after the hellenistic reforms? In a similar way to hoplitai being replaced by thureophoroi, i find it odd how this type of cavalry just disappears and is completely replaced by another. Was the adoption of aspis by cavalry on such a massive scale?

[QuintusSertorius]

A somewhat related question:
- Would it be possible to allow xystophoroi to still remain recruitable, at lower unit pool and refresh, after the hellenistic reforms? In a similar way to hoplitai being replaced by thureophoroi, i find it odd how this type of cavalry just disappears and is completely replaced by another. Was the adoption of aspis by cavalry on such a massive scale?

It was a complete shift to shielded cavalry. While in reality it wasn't in the same year in all places, the earlier, shieldless style was supplanted.

[Hellenikon]

Thank you Quintus, i asked because their description seemed to imply otherwise.

Historically, the most common role of the xystophoros in the armies of the Successors was that of prodromos (scout or fore-runner). They were used for reconnaissance, to screen the main army's advance and to repel any skirmisher troops that the army may have encountered. Furthermore, they made a viable flanking force and could assist the heavier cavalry of the army in the charge that formed the "hammer". Due to its capabilities, this class of cavalry enjoyed a long history in the armies of any Makedonian army beginning with Philip II's reforms and likely only ceasing with the end of the Hellenistic era.