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    Quote Originally Posted by ioannis76 View Post
    I haven't seen any celebrities campaigning against the oppression of Christians in muslim countries or even mentioning them. Have you?
    I haven't seen any politicians campaigning against the oppression of Christians in Muslim countrires or even mentioning them. Have you?
    I haven't seen any news outlet campaigning against the oppression of Christians in Muslim countries, or ven mentioning them. Have you?
    Same for any "Antifa" thugs, or any other social justice warriors for that matter. They seem to know about it if any non-Christian man or woman is oppressed, they seem to know all about animal rights violations in the other side of the world, they will even go and put boats in front of whaling ships, but they won't LIFT A ING FINGER to help Christian people under oppression and persecution. Such hypocrisy!
    Dude, you have opened a thread about "The plight of Christians in muslim-dominated countries" and you have just droped your usual rants against Islam and the left in Europe ignoring those oppressed Eastern Christian communities you mentioned in the title of the thread. That is hypocrisy.

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    The whole title is a red herring. I'd be okay if this was actually a thread about religious intolerance in the Middle East, which is a big problem obviously. But this isn't. This is simply a thread created to bash on Islam and muslims in general, which is quite frankly wrong.

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    There were literally two blockbuster movies this year on the very topic of Christians being persecuted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    The whole title is a red herring. I'd be okay if this was actually a thread about religious intolerance in the Middle East, which is a big problem obviously. But this isn't. This is simply a thread created to bash on Islam and muslims in general, which is quite frankly wrong.
    Christians are murdered in Kenya by muslims in an orgy of violence and you say it's a red herring.
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    Christians are murdered in Kenya by muslims in an orgy of violence and you say it's a red herring.
    You didn't read what you responded to before you posted that, didn't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ioannis76 View Post
    It is quite irrational and unnatural (nature and reason go hand in hand, I believe), to just go about our business, laughing and dancing carefree, when a group of people just kills us one by one. Even sheep are better than that.
    As I said, the reaction of fear and outrage to horrific acts is understandable because we're not wired to look at such things dispassionately. The emotional reaction is one we'd have if such things were happening in our direct vicinity. But the reality is that these days we're exposed to a poorly filtered global stream of news reports on incidents of all sorts and magnitudes. It no longer makes sense to rely on instinctive reactions to shape policies. It's up to each of us to take a step back and ask ourselves how representative these things are of daily life, because that ought to determine what policies constitute a proportional response.
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    If anything this thread has become an incoherent rant, it is a lot more focused on discussing the Muslim immigration than the religious discrimination that is happening in the Middle East right now. Also why does this thread only focus on the plight of the Christians in the Middle East. why not the Yezidis, Shabaks and the Mandaeans etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Settra View Post
    Christians are murdered in Kenya by muslims in an orgy of violence and you say it's a red herring.
    I presume you were referring to Al Shabaab and the tensions near the Somalian border and around Mombassa in that post, the ethnic tensions in Kenya is not really a simple Christian versus Muslim narrative, rather it has a lot to with tensions between various different tribes/ethnic groups such as the Kikuyu, the Lous and the Kalenjins despite most of the Kenyan population being Christian.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E..._Kenyan_crisis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    As I said, the reaction of fear and outrage to horrific acts is understandable because we're not wired to look at such things dispassionately. The emotional reaction is one we'd have if such things were happening in our direct vicinity. But the reality is that these days we're exposed to a poorly filtered global stream of news reports on incidents of all sorts and magnitudes. It no longer makes sense to rely on instinctive reactions to shape policies. It's up to each of us to take a step back and ask ourselves how representative these things are of daily life, because that ought to determine what policies constitute a proportional response.
    Instinct is hardwired logic. Logic, dictates that people who may possibly be very dangerous terrorists, violent criminals, or at best welfare tourists should not be allowed inside a country.
    Here is a question for you (Stephan Molyneux asked it in one of his videos). Let's say you enjoy muffins (who doesn't). And let's say I gave you 200 muffins, and said that you can eat as many as you like, but 1 of these muffins has poison in it, and if you happen to eat it, it will kill you. Would you even eat 1 of these muffins? I bet you wouldn't. Similarly, for 2000 muffins (with just ONE poisonous muffin). You wouldn't eat one of them. Why not? If you look at the chances, they are close to negligible that the one muffin you would pick would be the muffin that would kill you. But still you wouldn't risk it.
    It's not irrational at all. It's LOGICAL. Some things, such as the protection of human life WE DON'T TAKE UNNECESSARY CHANCES WITH. There is not even ONE good REASON to let them in. Every argument in favour of letting them in is based on "feelz" and virtue signalling. Yet you try to make it look like it's "the voice of reason" telling us to let them in, and the "irrational instinct" telling us to stop them. But all this "kindness" is reserved for muslims only. When faced with the plight of Christians in muslim dominated countries, we get a "so ing wut?" response from the "bleeding heart" progressives in Europe and the US. Why? Of course, the question of whether this plight is going to be experienced by Christians IN EUROPE, once (when) muslims are the majority, is dismissed as "exaggeration". Why? Weren't there thriving christian populations in the mid East? IT'S THE BIRTHPLACE OF CHRISTIANITY!!!! Same for Anatolia. Isn't it strange that there are so few Christians now in the areas and those that there are there have to go into hiding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioannis76 View Post
    Instinct is hardwired logic. Logic, dictates that people who may possibly be very dangerous terrorists, violent criminals, or at best welfare tourists should not be allowed inside a country.
    Here is a question for you (Stephan Molyneux asked it in one of his videos). Let's say you enjoy muffins (who doesn't). And let's say I gave you 200 muffins, and said that you can eat as many as you like, but 1 of these muffins has poison in it, and if you happen to eat it, it will kill you. Would you even eat 1 of these muffins? I bet you wouldn't. Similarly, for 2000 muffins (with just ONE poisonous muffin). You wouldn't eat one of them. Why not? If you look at the chances, they are close to negligible that the one muffin you would pick would be the muffin that would kill you. But still you wouldn't risk it.
    And yet, as the ratio goes up, there comes a point when you would eat them, because you get into the range of chances we all take every day, like getting into an elevator, stepping into a car, having tables with sharp corners. So no, one case is not enough for anything. Want to guess at how often each day a european encounters a muslim or even a refugee? What percent of those occasions is a terror attack? What else would you not do if you were deterred by those odds?

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    It's not irrational at all. It's LOGICAL.
    Perhaps if pathological counts as logical.......

    Quote Originally Posted by ioannis76 View Post
    Some things, such as the protection of human life WE DON'T TAKE UNNECESSARY CHANCES WITH.
    We do it all the time. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Speaking of bears, I guess you think it's a disgrace they're still around. Way too risky.


    Quote Originally Posted by ioannis76 View Post
    There is not even ONE good REASON to let them in. Every argument in favour of letting them in is based on "feelz" and virtue signalling. Yet you try to make it look like it's "the voice of reason" telling us to let them in, and the "irrational instinct" telling us to stop them. But all this "kindness" is reserved for muslims only. When faced with the plight of Christians in muslim dominated countries, we get a "so ing wut?" response from the "bleeding heart" progressives in Europe and the US. Why? Of course, the question of whether this plight is going to be experienced by Christians IN EUROPE, once (when) muslims are the majority, is dismissed as "exaggeration". Why? Weren't there thriving christian populations in the mid East? IT'S THE BIRTHPLACE OF CHRISTIANITY!!!! Same for Anatolia. Isn't it strange that there are so few Christians now in the areas and those that there are there have to go into hiding?
    Now you're just getting incoherent. It's obvious that if you have a policy to give asylum to refugees and most refugees are muslim, then most beneficiaries of that policy are going to be muslims. The claim that there's some preferential treatment involved is baseless.

    As for the disappearance of christianity from the middle east, that's no doubt a fascinating historical topic. After the arabic conquest, how come the religion of a newly established, relatively small elite who kept aloof of their subjects spread so quickly? I think you'll find there aren't any meaningful parallels to the modern day situation in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    The whole title is a red herring. I'd be okay if this was actually a thread about religious intolerance in the Middle East, which is a big problem obviously. But this isn't. This is simply a thread created to bash on Islam and muslims in general, which is quite frankly wrong.
    Who said that it is wrong to criticize a religion?
    It always amused me how religious belief is something that "deserves respect", even if it is archaic and primitive like Islam.

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    And yet, as the ratio goes up, there comes a point when you would eat them, because you get into the range of chances we all take every day, like getting into an elevator, stepping into a car, having tables with sharp corners. So no, one case is not enough for anything. Want to guess at how often each day a european encounters a muslim or even a refugee? What percent of those occasions is a terror attack? What else would you not do if you were deterred by those odds?
    No you wouldn't. Not if you didn't have to. You'd just do without, until you found muffins that are not poisoned.

    Want to guess at how often each day a european encounters a muslim or even a refugee?
    Well, it depends on the European. If said european lives in an all-white gated community, yeah, I would agree with you, not too often at all.
    If said european lives in the island of Lesvos, however, I would say VERY often. If said european lives in Malmo, Sweden, I would again say very often. If said european lives in some poor neighborhood of some european city, where the elites like to pile all the "refugees" (why don't they take them in their communities, really?) then I would say very often. Thank you for making my point for me.

    What percent of those occasions is a terror attack?
    factor in more crime. What percent of that is sexual harassment if the european is a female. Or don't women matter? What percentage is a robbery, if the european is an elderly person? Or don't the elderly matter? What percentage is sexual harassment if the european is an unescorted child? What percentage is an attack if the european is a man walking alone and the "refugees" are more? What percentage is verbal abuse just for looking at the "refugee"? What percentage is an attack with rocks if the european is a truck driver outside Calais?

    Perhaps if pathological counts as logical.......
    Pathological, you say? Interesting choice of word:

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    Pathological, you say. How about narrowing it down a bit? How about narcissistic and sociopathic? All three of these sick puppies are pro immigration. Coincidence?

    We do it all the time. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Speaking of bears, I guess you think it's a disgrace they're still around. Way too risky.
    Ah, a VERY good point, and thank you again for furthering my argument. No, I have no problem with bears, as long as they are in their habitat. But if a bear were to come into my house, and I had the opportunity, I would most definitely shoot it. I am sure you would do the same thing. Unless you want to say that you would first wait to see the predisposition of the bear, and until that time, you wouldn't even go for your gun.

    Now you're just getting incoherent. It's obvious that if you have a policy to give asylum to refugees and most refugees are muslim, then most beneficiaries of that policy are going to be muslims. The claim that there's some preferential treatment involved is baseless.
    read again what I wrote:
    There is not even ONE good REASON to let them in. Every argument in favour of letting them in is based on "feelz" and virtue signalling. Yet you try to make it look like it's "the voice of reason" telling us to let them in, and the "irrational instinct" telling us to stop them.
    Simplified:
    Don't let them in: a whole bunch of good, valid, logical argiments.
    Let them in: a whole bunch of virtue signalling and "feelz".

    As for the disappearance of christianity from the middle east, that's no doubt a fascinating historical topic. After the arabic conquest, how come the religion of a newly established, relatively small elite who kept aloof of their subjects spread so quickly? I think you'll find there aren't any meaningful parallels to the modern day situation in Europe.
    There is the parallel of carving a bloody path. We saw it three times just this forthnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    Dude, you have opened a thread about "The plight of Christians in muslim-dominated countries" and you have just droped your usual rants against Islam and the left in Europe ignoring those oppressed Eastern Christian communities you mentioned in the title of the thread. That is hypocrisy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    The whole title is a red herring. I'd be okay if this was actually a thread about religious intolerance in the Middle East, which is a big problem obviously. But this isn't. This is simply a thread created to bash on Islam and muslims in general, which is quite frankly wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by RandomPerson2000 View Post
    If anything this thread has become an incoherent rant, it is a lot more focused on discussing the Muslim immigration than the religious discrimination that is happening in the Middle East right now. Also why does this thread only focus on the plight of the Christians in the Middle East. why not the Yezidis, Shabaks and the Mandaeans etc.
    People so wedded to the idea that islam must be celebrated, and anything less is racism.

    Islam is rising, and they take no prisoners. The last time they rose they took Portugal, Spain, and South-West France, and held those lands for 300 years.

    Turkey was Christian land for a 1000 years, and they took that, too. Only a fool would believe them not capable of taking all of Western Europe on this occasion.

    This thread demonstrates the true fascist nature of islam when compared to the values we hold - or at least our forefathers held - in western Europe. This thread has been long in coming to this site.

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    There were literally two blockbuster movies this year on the very topic of Christians being persecuted...
    Not in terms of box office.
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    People so wedded to the idea that islam must be celebrated, and anything less is racism.
    That is little more than an assumption, I'm not trying to get this thread closed, I was just simply pointing out that some of the posts in thread have come out as rants since those posts have more a less a very angry and impassioned tone with some of the sentences in them appearing in a way that the poster is shouting and I was wondering why this thread was so focused on just the Christians of the Middle East and not other religious groups such as Yezidis who had suffered under Islamist militant groups such as ISIL just as equally as the Christians did . Also why do you think I was wedded to the idea that every aspect of Islam must be celebrated. In all honesty it just goes to show that you didn't even bother to read my previous post properly
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    That is little more than an assumption, I'm not trying to get this thread closed, I was just simply pointing out that some of the posts in thread have come out as rants since those posts have more a less a very angry and impassioned tone with some of the sentences in them appearing in a way that the poster is shouting and I was wondering why this thread was so focused on just the Christians of the Middle East and not other religious groups such as Yezidis who had suffered under Islamist militant groups such as ISIL just as equally as the Christians did . Also why do you think I was wedded to the idea that every aspect of Islam must be celebrated.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant
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    Just to let you know the Ummayed Caliphate and later the Caliphate of Cordoba only held onto Septimania for just over half a century from 719ad to 778 ad.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Septimania
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimania#Sources
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Septimania
    Didn't open the links. If you're not here to get the thread closed then you're here to confuse the issue.

    The history of islam invading and conquering Europe - both east and West - is well documented. Muslims are today repeating their efforts to conquer Europe, just this time with population demographics instead of force of arms. The force of arms comes later.

    They know they'll be afforded every protection in Europe while they do so. Unlike Christians in muslim countries, just as OP says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Who said that it is wrong to criticize a religion?
    It always amused me how religious belief is something that "deserves respect", even if it is archaic and primitive like Islam.
    There is a difference between critique and simple bashing. I'm an atheist. I detest all religion and their function as community centers could be done by, ironically, community centers. If you're familiar with Warhammer 40k, I'm a fan of the Imperial Truth. Logic and Reason should be the law of the land. Not some entity in heaven. But we are nowhere near that point. And I support neither the muslim extremists, nor the pathological liars and child rapists of various Christian sects. And I find any attempt by either side to claim a moral high-ground detestable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    There is a difference between critique and simple bashing.
    Unfortunately we live in a time where you have to pick sides and being in the middle lands you to being labelled as soft, traitor or whatever. I used to remember a time when I could critique without being called an -ist or -phobe, and people have been smart enough to know what I mean anyway.
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    The polarization is a direct result of government failure in regards to dealing with muslims here and abroad. Now you have one group which thinks islam is definitely a problem and another group which thinks it's not a problem at all (Antifa supporting Sharia and other shenanigans).


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    If you're familiar with Warhammer 40k, I'm a fan of the Imperial Truth. Logic and Reason should be the law of the land.
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    (Antifa supporting Sharia and other shenanigans).
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    Fear of 'the other' runs deep in this thread.
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    Fear of 'the other' runs deep in this thread.
    A rational fear, if you ask me.

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