Iberian Lancers

[Molossis]

I know it may not be completely historical but are the Iberian factions getting units similar to the old Iberi Lanceari, or Iberi Curisi, they were some of my favorite units in the west. I havent been keeping up but it seems alot of factions have not filled out there rosters yet? Which factions will be getting more units?

[Anubis88]

If you mean the fully armoured Iberian horse units, then no, they aren't getting them. They are ahistorical i believe. A wrong interpretation of a painting. The mostly filled rosters are hellenistic and Carthage. All the other factions are still getting units in the future

[QuintusSertorius]

Indeed, they were a straight-up fantasy unit and will not be reprised. Heavy cavalry of that sort does not make any sense in Iberia. Their cavalry traditions were either light and skirmishing or like mounted infantry rather than heavy lancers.

Many factions are complete now. Steppe rosters have lots of holes still, most of the Italic regionals are missing, there are one or two regional units still to do in Iberia, Caucasus and north Africa. There rest of the Ethiopian roster is still to do. Many Arabian, Germanic and Celtic regional units still to come.

[MagusCaligula]

"most of the Italic regionals are missing" - There will be more Etruscan units? I find it odd there are only the hoplites.

[QuintusSertorius]

No more Etruscans. There are still Campanian, Lucanian and Corsi units to come.

[MagusCaligula]

No more Etruscans. There are still Campanian, Lucanian and Corsi units to come.

But was their army just hoplites? I find it odd as they were not long ago one of the main power in Italy, or did they just recruited mercenaries from other peoples or something?

[Cohors_Evocata]

But was their army just hoplites? I find it odd as they were not long ago one of the main power in Italy, or did they just recruited mercenaries from other peoples or something?

No, but limited unit slots are a thing and we don't have enough of them to give all peoples all troops they would have had. See the use of Eqvites Romani as regional cavalry in non-Roman regions, they stand in for e.g. Etruscan riders.

[MagusCaligula]

Well that's sad because to me the Etruscans were one of the most interesting civilizations.

[Cohors_Evocata]

It's a perk of using a map of this size and striving to make sure each region gets its share of regionals. To put things in perspective: out of 500 possible slots, 492 have been assigned (that is, have units planned for them, the number of finished units is lower of course).

[Hellenikon]

What is the new interpretation of this vase then?

[Cohors_Evocata]

Got the following answers.

Already looking at it, one can see that he's holding the weapon overarm going downward: either a throwing missile or retained for thrusting in melee...

It's difficult to see it, imo, as a lance, considering that he's even keeping it above the shoulder...

I agree with Arjos. Additionally, the representation of javelins which have been thrown are not uncommon in the paintings of the Iberian Peninsula (where he could see a lance, I could see two javelins, or a javelin and a spear). Anyway, It should be noted that the main inspirations for the lancers weren't the paintings but the coins, however these coins are false friends. They are a copy of the ones of Sicily that used Macedonian elements. The reading of the written sources and the archaeological results don't reveal the existence of lancers among the Iberian peoples. Instead the cavalry supported the line infantry through the use of javelins, dismounting, fighting on horse but with a second rider who dismount to fight on foot and support the rider, etc.

[Molossis]

Thank you for all your information and help. I have one more silly question if you will let me increasing armor and weapon levels does not have any cosmetic differences?

[QuintusSertorius]

Thank you for all your information and help. I have one more silly question if you will let me increasing armor and weapon levels does not have any cosmetic differences?

Nope, changes to the stats in the EDU does nothing whatsoever to the model of the unit which is actually displayed.

[Molossis]

Nope, changes to the stats in the EDU does nothing whatsoever to the model of the unit which is actually displayed.

Thank you, I have to say I'm impressed by your feedback. For someone as busy as you must be you do seem to make sure to try and reply to alot of questions.

[Hellenikon]

@Cohors_Evocata, thank you for bringing up their answers. I agree with Trarco and Arjos that the spear depicted is ovearm, and doesn't show clearly if it's a javelin or something else. I defer to their expertise on the matter.
Maybe i wasn't very clear and the thread title caused some confusion, but i was actually refering to the neck armor that is depicted on the horse. I remember the EBI unit with full mail barding, and if i am not mistaken, this vase or one very similar was used as source.
The unit in question was the iberi lanceari
http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.ne...y&category=any

[Anubis88]

@Cohors_Evocata, thank you for bringing up their answers. I agree with Trarco and Arjos that the spear depicted is ovearm, and doesn't show clearly if it's a javelin or something else. I defer to their expertise on the matter.
Maybe i wasn't very clear and the thread title caused some confusion, but i was actually refering to the neck armor that is depicted on the horse. I remember the EBI unit with full mail barding, and if i am not mistaken, this vase or one very similar was used as source.
The unit in question was the iberi lanceari
http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.ne...y&category=any

From Trarco ;

Ah, okay, that wouldn't be an armour but a sum of patterns fruit of the horror vacui. Similar features appear in other vases, like in animals like a wolf, or in objects like shields. In summary, the modern historians don't think these patterns represent an armour at all.